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3. March 2008 @ 19:05 |
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No suggestions for Abuzar? lol
Say if I can get a Q6600 for 200, then the Q9450 isn't worth it right? I mean sure it's probably gonna be better but for 150 more, is it worth it?
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3. March 2008 @ 19:08 |
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Russ: I can definitely go with that. You do NOT upscale with an LCD lol - the picture quality difference is huge.
Abuzar: Well, one minute you want one, next one you don't. I personally would try and grab a Q9450 since it's newer, faster tech, but if you can find a Q6600 really cheap, I wouldn't turn it down.
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3. March 2008 @ 19:33 |
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Sam I want a Q9450, but it's a matter of money. I'm sure you've been in the same situation. I certainly prefered the Q9450 when I thought the Q6600 was 280 and the Q9450 316.
Would you get a Q6600 if it was 100 pounds?
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3. March 2008 @ 19:35 |
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heh, I can sympathise. I wouldn't take a Q6600 for £50 right now, because I don't even have £50 in my bank account.
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3. March 2008 @ 19:42 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Sam I want a Q9450, but it's a matter of money. I'm sure you've been in the same situation. I certainly prefered the Q9450 when I thought the Q6600 was 280 and the Q9450 316.
Would you get a Q6600 if it was 100 pounds?
Man that's a heavy processor. hehehe. :P
boozer why do you need a cpu and RAM?? I thought you had the E6750 and some Crucial RAM..... If you can get the Q6600 for $200 I would, especially if it's the SLACR GO stepping model. ;) Better OC'in capabilities from what I've heard. :D
What kind of RAM are you looking for?? DDR2 800 or DDR2 1066?? I would of course look at Corsair DDR2 800 RAm cause it's so cheap but there are other "dependable" companies out there besides Corsair and Crucial. ;) Mushkin for one. /me likes it!! I have some DDR2 1066 RAM and it seems pretty danged good so far. It does take a little more juice tho so consider that too. :D
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3. March 2008 @ 19:48 |
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I sold my E6750 and my Ram for 230.
More on this later.
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3. March 2008 @ 22:34 |
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3. March 2008 @ 22:59 |
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So you finally sold the computer?? Or did you just sell the cpu and RAM? lol. Outdated?? That's silly!! You know that once you buy it, IT'S outdated. If you have a GOOD working reliable computer that's made with 6 month old tech it can't be that bad. Well at least within the Intel realm right now. lol. Who knows 6 months from now??
Good luck putting another one together!!
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3. March 2008 @ 23:19 |
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Nope just CPU and RAM.
If anyone wants a high quality MSI 3850 that's highly overclocked AND stable it's 160 bucks! lol
Hey by doing what I do I stay closer to that sharp edge we all try to get.
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4. March 2008 @ 02:01 |
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sammorris,
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I didn't even know you could get 19" screens at 1680x1050, that's quite neat.
Yes it is! I found exactly two 19" Widescreen monitors at that resolution, the two I posted! LOL!! Ought to be a Razer Sharp pic though!
BTW! I'm working on an e-Machine! LOL!! One of their cheap 2.20 Celerons! Get this, it has on-board graphics and comes stock with 128MB of memory! That's not even funny! I thought it was a felony to torture hard drives! ROFL!! I replaced the 128 stick in it with an old 128! Runs like it's wading in Fudge! The PS took out the Memory, the On-board sound and USBs. Went to e-Machines and downloaded the drivers. Un-installed the drivers and re-installed fresh, but they still don't work. He's a friend so I threw him an old SB 16, and I'll get a Pci USB 2 card and put it in. All he'll lose is the front USB Ports (maybe) and the headphone and mike jacks. I had a pair 2 x 512 Corsair XMS Cas2 DDR 400MHz, and put that in and it runs pretty good for what it is. Hell of a lot faster! LOL!! I upgraded it to SP-3, which helps too! I installed WMP-10 so he can play MP-3s, and I had a 500W PS in stock! For the money I'm charging him it will very hard to beat! It used to take over 4 minutes and change to boot up. Now it boots in under 2 minutes! It no longer takes about 10 seconds for a window to open when you click one. I charged him $175, and he can't get as good a computer as he has now for that price! I made money too as I'm on Neweggs business list and I get special deals on things from time to time. mostly overstock, discontinued items. Hey it's got the same warranty as something current, so what's the diff? I get some pretty good prices on certain things and when I do, I stock up! Now if they would only do that with CPUs and 8800GTX vid cards! ROFLMAO!!
Also BTW! What a bunch of stiffs around here! LOL!! I posted that link for an XFX 9600GT 512/256 video card for $179 the other day and not a single comment. Usually I would get at least 1 person telling me what a piece of "tihs" something is, or an argument as to why something else is so much better. You guys are slipping! ROFLMAO!! Still a good price though! I wouldn't turn one down!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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4. March 2008 @ 04:37 |
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GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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4. March 2008 @ 05:21 |
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Nice price but again in the States :(
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4. March 2008 @ 05:35 |
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Pepp77,
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Nice price but again in the States :(
It's tempting for me too! I've been up to my hipbones in broke computers lately, so I could. The problem is, I know me! If I get into it, look out! This coming from the man who back in the day duplicated most of the cockpit of a Mig 29, For the game, Mig 29! Three screens too! Worked pretty good with the multiple views in Ace,s of The Pacific (Old School)! If you get my drift! LOL!!
BTW! I noticed in your sig the Pioneer DVR-215DBK. How loud is it when burning? I just installed one for a customer a couple of weeks ago, and it was the loudest drive I ever heard in my life. Man, it was noisy!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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4. March 2008 @ 05:44 |
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Ill let you know when I burn a disc on them - they only arrived this morning - I wanted a drive with a plain black front (no writing in white) and the pioneer and an Optiarc are the only ones Ive found - I have an IDE of the optiarc but wanted SATA so went for these. They cant be louder than the Sony one I used to have - it was so loud I even refused to stick it in my old comp for when I sell it.
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4. March 2008 @ 06:08 |
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Pepp77,
Don't they have these where you are?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827118002
I was going to try one of these, but I couldn't find any in silver! I can paint it and it will match perfectly, but it's a PITA! I did my Floppy (yes Floppy!) drive and it looks real nice. Bigger PITA than the Opticals! Why a floppy? When you work on computers, you need one. I have a beautiful Teac Dual drive I've been thinking of putting in a 5 1/4 Bay. Before you ask, I still run into data stored on a 5 1/4 disk that has to be coppied to a 3 1/2 drive. Maybe 2 or 3 times a year. To paint it will be quite a challenge, as a lot has to come apart. Great drive though. They haven't made them in years and they still get 45 to 50 dollars for them, on line. I forgot to tell you this drive was a gift from a customer. She needed it to transfer all the old 5 and a quarters to 3 and a halfs for their new system. They were on a Mainframe before and all their records and such were on them. When the job was finished, she just told me to keep the drive! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
GigaByte 990FXA-UD5 - AMD FX-8320 @4.0GHz @1.312v - Corsair H-60 liquid CPU Cooler - 4x4 GB GSkill RipJaws DDR3/1866 Cas8, 8-9-9-24 - Corsair 400-R Case - OCZ FATAL1TY 550 watt Modular PSU - Intel 330 120GB SATA III SSD - WD Black 500GB SATA III - WD black 1 TB Sata III - WD Black 500GB SATA II - 2 Asus DRW-24B1ST DVD-Burner - Sony 420W 5.1 PL-II Suround Sound - GigaByte GTX550/1GB 970 Mhz Video - Asus VE247H 23.6" HDMI 1080p Monitor
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4. March 2008 @ 09:20 |
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Hope you're going to make good use of a quad core in the short space of time you own it!
Theone: A crisp picture indeed. The image definition on the 3007WFP is better than usual because it's pixels per inch is quite high, 101. With those 19"s it's an impressive 104. A 19" standard size monitor at 1280x1024 is only 86ppi.
As for emachines, typically prebuilt PCs come with better Power supplies than the cheap awful rubbish you find on newegg, but not as good as proper ones like Antecs. Unfortunately with emachines, it's the cheap useless ones all round, usually Besteq. I don't even build/repair PCs for a living, but I'm well aware that emachines PSUs are dump.
I didn't comment on the 9600GT as while it's an awesome offer, I'm not in the US to take advantage of it! I'm echoing Pepp's comment about the 8800GT too...
Here's a neat offer for those of you in the UK...
http://www.ebuyer.com/product/132860
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4. March 2008 @ 12:30 |
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Well Ive now been told Im not allowed a monitor as Ive been told my 26" TV is enough :( lol
Anyway moving on I have just installed my two new drives and my card reader (has writing on it which I didnt think it did):-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/pja77uk/DSCF1073.jpg
And Ive almost got the cabling complete - moving to all SATA and no IDE drives makes the cabling that bit nicer, Ive manaed to get a lot of the wiring between the motherboard rack and the case side so its fairly empty however the front audio cable is annoyingly long and messy due to the mass of single cables it came with - Ive used the HD header which is in the middle. My question is can I lopp off the cables that are not being used and are after the header I have plugged in or will that cause a problem and secondly any advise on where I could possibly route it, its not long enough to go round the back so at the moment it is just dangling across the middle of the case, see pic if it helps:-
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/pja77uk/DSCF1072.jpg
Once Ive routed that cable and put the top and front back on the build is complete :D
Ill post a pic of it turned on once its running.
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4. March 2008 @ 12:41 |
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If it was me I'd just make do without the front audio ports, but if you have to have them I think you could probably just remove the connectors you're not using as IIRC the connector is in three different forms of the same thing.
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4. March 2008 @ 13:42 |
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ok fella's with some helpfull insite i got my fans arranged to where i got a good air flow. top 2 fans as exhaust as is the rear fan. the front antec tricool fan as intake set on hi speed. ive cooled down a good 8-10c.heres a couple screen shots. tell me what ya think. this is with orthos running for 9+ hours
Orthos
and for you Russ.33,000+ hows that?
MIPS
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4. March 2008 @ 14:00 |
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Rob - I think you could probably lower the CPU VCore from the 1.3 it is set as - mine was also at 1.3 (acording to Bios standard was 1.225 if I remember corrctly) before I dropped it.
When originally overclocked my Volts were on auto and went to 1.3 when I set the FSB to 400 and I had temps similar to yours - when I dropped the VCore to 1.25 my temps dropped by a few degrees allround and the PC still runs stably. The reason I dropped it was because I read a couple of reviews that said the E8xxx chips can handle some overclocking on their standard vCore and one person says they have got 3.92Ghz out of the E8400 at 1.25V.
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4. March 2008 @ 15:20 |
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@pepp
not doubting you , but iagree with russ all these people say they are getting 3.9-4.4ghz on the E8400 but they show nothing to back it up. with me haveing one and knowing what little i know about OC'ing thats a tought number to reach and be stable.
as for your monitor just use the 26in TV for your monitor.....lol
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4. March 2008 @ 15:54 |
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Rob: It makes logical sense to have equal airflow in to out. of course, you can allow for some minor differences in Coolermaster cases since they provide additional vents. Two 140mm exhaust fans is a lot of exhaust airflow, full speed on a pair of Aerocool Streamliners is pushing well over 100CFM, add a 120mm to that and it'll probably be close to 200.
As for your E8400 I think the overclocking prowess of these CPUs is vastly overrated. Regardless of your experience in overclocking, it soundslike you've done everything right, and getting overclock percentages in the 20s is disappointing for a Duo, even if it is a top end model.
For reference, my CPU at 3.16Ghz pushes 26204MIPS in Dhrystone and 19952MFLOPS.
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4. March 2008 @ 16:15 |
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sammy I think that rob forgot to mention his side fan and if not then there is ample vents on the CM-690 case. ;)
As for OC'in I have arguments both directions BUT I'm just going for the HIGH end Duo's right now. I believe these processors are made and then tested (of course I don't have black & white proof) and therefore you get something that will handle the 3.0 (E6850 & E8400) every day and all day for the 5 years or so they are supposed to run. :D My opinion and NOT backed up I know.... The REASON I say this is that the E6750 (and E8300 I'm sure) will do almost every bit as much as the HIGH Duo's but for how long and how much do you have to push them.
I for one am very new to the OC scene and to be truthful about it have taken very little steps in OC'in my E6850. I've been in touch with Russ and docTY (the last few weeks or so) and I've gotten mine to 3.8 (NOT stable but I could post some numbers if I wanted) on air but really what's the use when these things run so friggin fast anyway.... lol. My little AMD X2 3800 is my every day rig until it gets moved to the bedroom then the Intel E6850 takes over that spot but I want some REAL stability and that has happened with mine at about 3.6 and I'm OK with that. Sure I want to get to the 4.0+ mark on air but I have to "alter" or "mod" my mobo even further than I already have. You know TR NB & SB heatsinks plus mosfet coolers too!!! I may do that sometime but NOT right now. I have to buy a new gpu for this "new" Gigabyte build I stumbled onto.... :D
Somewhat all over the place but I think you get my general drift.
I'm helping a friend of mine right now and I think he's gonna go with the E6750 for that very reason. Well for one the E8400 is almost non-existent right now and the E6750 is one of the best cpu's out right now. Again my opinion but I think most that have it would agree... ;)
rambling on.....
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4. March 2008 @ 16:26 |
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@sam look at the last mips i just posted.33,000+ im happy with that very happy.im at 3.6ghz stable on orthos for 9+hrs and has been running non stop for over 30hr. im saying right there. and am happier than a kid in a candy store...
i dont have the knowledge or the cash flow to get one of these up to 4.0+ so im not even gonna try..lmao
i'll leave the 4.0ghz+ to boozer. im sure he can and will get it as soon as he gets his Q9450..i cant wait for that. and no thats not sarcasim either..lol
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4. March 2008 @ 16:26 |
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