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14. March 2008 @ 23:54 |
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O boy stay away for a while and an hour of reading, fast reader..its the thinking LOL
@ Gm. thanks for the info
@ Sam... thanks alot you really got me sold- going for the AC 7
hope I didnt leave anyone out.
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15. March 2008 @ 00:15 |
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Heh, same problem for me, hence that huge post! This thread really moves fast...
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15. March 2008 @ 00:18 |
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Somebody please shoot me if I ever consider another ATi video card! I just put together an Asus A7N8X Deluxe MB with an old Athlon 2400+ with my X800GTO. It's an old Socket A MB, but brand new, in the box! Usually I install the video card software last, but this time I decided to do it before upgrading to SP-2. Mistake! The ATi software screwed everything up. I couldn't get SP-2 to even install. Every time I tried the Optical drive would freeze up. If I clicked on the window I would get a message that it wasn't responding!
Then I went and did a fresh install with my newest XP-Pro, SP-3 only to find out that I had to install SP-1 to get the USB 2.0 working. It wouldn't install because "the version of XP-Pro was newer than SP-2". I finally found a cure at M$ and downloaded the update. All works well now! LOL!! I just didn't intend to spend a day and a half doing it! LOL!! Oh well, live and learn! ROFLMAO! Nice speedy machine though, for what it is!
Best Regards,
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15. March 2008 @ 00:19 |
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So wait, why is ATI's software to blame for all that?
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15. March 2008 @ 03:59 |
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sammorris,
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So wait, why is ATI's software to blame for all that?
You're right of course, but I would think in the amount of time the X800GTO has been around there would have been an update from them to solve the problem. I've owned 3 ATi cards in my life and each was an adventure. The first one wouldn't even install the software that came with it! The second one the software wouldn't see the hardware, said that "no ATi compatible card was found" and canceled the install! The third (and Final!) one was the X800GTO and it's always given problems with the Power connector that has to be plugged in from the PS. It's a known problem, more to do with the design of the Molex plug, than the video card itself, but it wasn't until the PCIe cards came along that they changed the plug to the PCIe plug we have now. I've seen the white plastic on the Molex plugs actually turn brown and melt from the connections arcing inside them.
Maybe it's me, but I do recall you having a problem not too long ago with yours. The only problems I've ever had with nVidia cards have been minor and were solved with a simple phone call, usually followed by new ForceWare e-mailed to me by nVidia in a matter of minutes! I guess I've just had better luck with XFX cards than anything.
I fully realize that this is not the latest MB, but then again, the X800GTO isn't the latest video card either! LOL!! I had forgotten just how good the older Athlons really were compared to the Intels of the day. It's quite fast given it's clock speed of 2.0GHz.
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Russ
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15. March 2008 @ 07:30 |
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Yeah and my Current 2.6Ghz Celeron D gets up to 100 percent CPU usage running JUST firefox on Ubuntu Gutsy Gibson.
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15. March 2008 @ 11:37 |
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the only thing I don't like about ATI is that you have to install .NET Framework for the genuine ATI drivers and their fans can be a little on the noisy side. do you still need .NET Framework for their newer cards?
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15. March 2008 @ 11:42 |
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Yeah, I think they still do. It's a useful thing to have though so I don't see why it's a con.
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15. March 2008 @ 14:01 |
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The HD3870's fan is dead silent at stock, only if you manually force the speed up is it noisy, and you only need to do that if overclocking, it runs cool enough by default.
A few people I know have had huge issues with nvidia drivers. I'm not saying ATI's are good, but I don't think nvidia's are any better either really, and as for the molex connector, that could happen with any device really...
I'm not trying to stick up for ATI but I think your loathing of them is a little unjustified.
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15. March 2008 @ 16:28 |
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15. March 2008 @ 17:21 |
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After all the feedback I have to say that I guess I just never had any luck with ATi, although aside from the power plug thing, I never had any problems with the X800GTO! I'm one of those people that have bad luck with certain things. I can easily find a bad Chevy! All I have to do is buy one, yet I've never owned a bad Ford! LOL!! I know lots of people who are the same way with Fords! The weirdest one is Sony products. If I purchase one it won't last the warranty! If I get one as a gift or someone else purchases something Sony for me, I have no problems at all. If it's a part of something else like the Sony CD Burner that came with the Dell 3000 I bought about 3 years ago, no problem. I still have the drive and it works fine. Oh well, back to computers.
The "Retro" build has been a trip! This thing talks to you! LOL!! If the CPU fan fails, it tells you "CPU fan failed"! If the CPU gets too hot it tells you "CPU temperature too high"! All in a woman's voice! LOL!! It will also post a log to the hard drive, with the particulars that show what failed and why! Neat! Overall, a very nice machine.
If anyone out there has an Athlon 3200+ Socket A (462) lying around doing nothing, send me a PM, please!
Best Regards,
Russ
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15. March 2008 @ 19:08 |
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my personal ATM companies for different products:
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Intel Mobos: Asus / DFI
Nvidia gfx: BFG / EVGA / MSI
Ati gfx: HIS / Saphire
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>£100 Cooler Master Cosmos / Thermaltake Armor+ / Lian-Li PC-A71A
>£150 Cooler Master Stacker 832 / Cooler Master Cosoms S / Lian Li PC-A10B / Silverston TemJin-09 /Lian-Li PC V2000 /
>£200 Lian Li PC-343B / Lian Li Armorsuit PC-P80 / Lian-Li PC V2100 / Zalman GT1000 / Silverstone Temjin TJ07 / Silverstone Temjin TJ10
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15. March 2008 @ 19:22 |
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I'll be honest with you, I think Sony is one of those companies that used to make good products and charged an appropriately high price for them. Now, the quality of the products has shifted to "moderate" in many areas and the price hasn't changed.
As far as Fords go, there is no Chevrolet in this country in the traditional sence, they're just rebadged Daewoos, so Korean... lol. As far as Fords go though, up until very recently they were simple to maintain, but poorly manufactured, the mainstay of my dad's business since he has to repair them for a living! They're starting to clean up their act though... If only the French would follow suit!
As for the talking motherboard, I'm sure the SKT939 Asus boards did that too, but I never had a PC speaker so I couldn't hear them!
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15. March 2008 @ 19:24 |
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Hmm.. not a gamer so dont ah,ah,ah, BUT Im still playing farcry LOL and doom- ,my Q is will they pley better on my raptor or 320 WD 10k vs 72? I realize one spins faster then the other BUT from what I have heard from gamers...its really depending on the games nowa days]
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15. March 2008 @ 19:58 |
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Well, the acces time of the raptor means much faster game loading times for games that have complex file structures (lots of folders and files) but because the transfer speed isn't much faster than a normal drive these days, the loading time for games that have a few large files won't be much different.
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15. March 2008 @ 20:25 |
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well then Ill just keep the rapter for OS...here is something simple that I have not over come...my screens look ok whne in use...but when they are off I see stricks...now matter how I cleaan them, how do you brothers keep your screen clean?....come on give it up LOL
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bro..im in the us..have to copy and past in goole I see
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15. March 2008 @ 21:05 |
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alright ppl I need your help,
alright heres the deal, im putting a CPU fan on an older computer, the computers motherboard does not a 3 pin power connection available, but it does have 2 big 4pin power connections(molex) free, so what kind of connector do i need to go from 1 4pin to the 3pin mini?
excuse my vocab the 3pin mini is (referred to as 3pin ATX) the same type of power connector used on any cpu fan, and of course it's a male pin, the 4pin MOLEX ALSO NEEDS TO BE MALE:)~its the wide kind
i see this one here
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...MP=OTC-SHOPPING
but the male 3pin has only two pins in the picture?
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15. March 2008 @ 21:15 |
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sammorris,
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As for the talking motherboard, I'm sure the SKT939 Asus boards did that too, but I never had a PC speaker so I couldn't hear them!
It comes through the sound system, even before the sound drivers are loaded, not the PC unless you un-plug the sound system from the computer then the pC speaker kicks in. I almost jumped out of my shoes when I accidentally snagged the Fan plug and pulled it out while i was trying to tie up the excess cables from the PS. Extremely tinny though! LOL!! With the stock AMD cooler (it's all I have at the moment) the temps are 33C for the MB and 42C for the CPU. It's the one with the big Copper slug in the middle of an aluminum block. Not too bad though! It even came with a IDE to Sata adapter packed in the box. The MB has 2 Sata 1.5 ports as well. I would guess it was a higher end MB in it's day as it also has 2 Gigabit Lans and 6 channel sound. Works well though!
I'm going to try and find a faster CPU if I can. Socket A went up to an Athlon 3200+, so I would love to find one. Very quick machine for what it is. Faster than the Dell 300 3.0 Prescot was! ROFLMAO!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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15. March 2008 @ 21:25 |
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Tripplite - I have 3 of them myself that Im not using (came with fans) - and all of them have just 2 pins - I think its because standard molex fan connectors only require 2 cables - red and black, Im assuming because you cant speed control fans on the PSU and the yellow is the 5V???
Same is true in reverse:- http://www.amazon.com/Fan-Molex-Pin-MB/dp/B000BSJGL0
Edit - either of your links will be fine.
Edit 2 - Looks like the third cable may just report the RPMs of the fan back to the motherboard - which would also explain why its not needed.
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Tripplite - I have 3 of them myself that Im not using (came with fans) - and all of them have just 2 pins - I think its because standard molex fan connectors only require 2 cables - red and black, Im assuming because you cant speed control fans on the PSU and the yellow is the 5V???
OMFG ya wanna off load some of them to me?~i got paypal!
(the cables need to male 3pin and male 4pin)
it seems that because the 3pin ATX obviously doesn't require as much as the 4pin MOLEX in order to limit the power it balances its self out by cutting the receiving end to 2 pins(just a guess), i was just a bit concerned because i saw some with all 3pins and 4 wires, and others with 2pins and 2wires...
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Im assuming because you cant speed control fans
because its not even registered with the computer (not connected through MB) that sounds right...oh well!
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i just got it all figured out!! he he ALRIGHT!
thanks all!
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This thread really moves fast...
oh hell ya i dont think there is another thread with such high quality rapid response on the net!
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