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5. April 2008 @ 11:25 |
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5. April 2008 @ 11:38 |
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Yeah I'm doing this for somebody. I don't have enough money to throw around for something like this.
Ok so at first I suggested this:
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450
Asus Stiker Extreme 680I Chipset board
4GB Memory DDR2-1066
2x 8800GT
150GB Raptor HDD
Seagate 500GB 32MB SATAII
Samsung DVD Burner
Thermaltake Armor Full Tower Case
PC Power and Cooling 750W PSU
But then I though, why not change that a bit and lower the price?
Intel Core 2 Quad Q9450
Asus Rampage Formula X48
4GB Memory DDR2-1066
9800 GTX
150GB Raptor HDD
Seagate 500GB 32MB SATAII
Samsung DVD Burner
Thermaltake Armor Full Tower Case
PC Power and Cooling 750W PSU
The way I see it, the one 9800GTX will perform close to the 8800GTs. Plus it has an edge in higher res. So I might build the second one. I hope this works out. I can't wait to get some benchmarks on that things before selling it.
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5. April 2008 @ 11:44 |
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Er no, a 9800GTX will perform almost the same as ONE 8800GT. It's the 9800GX2 you need, and they cost as much as three 8800GTs, so I wouldn't bother.
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5. April 2008 @ 11:47 |
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Actually I was reading around and many people were comparing a single 9800GTX vs 8800GT SLI and they were saying that the 9800GTX is close. Also it depends on how well SLI scales in games doesn't it?
Have you seen any benchmarks comparing them? I honestly haven't. Just stuff I've read on forums.
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5. April 2008 @ 11:52 |
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They're talking rubbish. I've seen quite a few benchmarks of the 9800GTX and it's an overclocked 8800GTS 512MB - same card, different clock speeds, that's all it is. As such it sits between the 8800GTX and 8800 Ultra in level of performance. When SLI's running right, a pair of 8800GTs will be miles faster than a 9800GTX. I'll find some examples.
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5. April 2008 @ 12:23 |
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boozer why don't you look at one of the 32MB cache HDD's instead of the Raptor?? I think that there is some evidence that the 150GB Raptor is less than dependable and noisy to boot. ;)
I like the looks of the build you're considering, BUT what/who is it for?? It seems that your building a GAMERS rig... hmmmmmmmmmmm....
I still don't see the TRUE benefits of going SLi. It doesn't give you DOUBLE the performance and there are a few single video cards that give danged good performance. lol. Of course I don't know anything about video cards so sammy can have it from here. :P
I would also consider an LG DVDRW for write quality. Of course you want one with a Renesas chip. ;) H62N is one model.... ;)
good luck with the build!!
...gm
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5. April 2008 @ 13:02 |
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Indeed, the 150GB Raptors have an alarmingly high failure rate - avoid at all costs. As Gm says, transfer rate-wise normal drives aren't that far off the raptor. If you want blazing fast OS performance, get a 74GB Raptor instead. They're expensive for what they are, but they work wonders.
As for SLI Gm, believe it or not Crossfire is now pulling 100% gains in a reasonable number of titles, you just have to turn the details right up to see them (and not necessarily to an unplayable level) to avoid the CPU limit, and if single cards were that fast, they'd be subject to the same. Given the stagnant nature of the graphics card market (a genuine single card to beat the 8800 ultra still hasn't come along and all the Ultra is is an overclocked GTX), dual graphics are starting to become increasingly useful, but ONLY IF you have lots to spend. The frame rate per pound/dollar is still greatest with a single fast card like an 8800GT or single HD3870, but you'd be surprised how effective dual graphics systems are starting to become.
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5. April 2008 @ 13:37 |
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the only good SLI cards to go for are the 9600GTs as two of them are giving near GX2 performance (about 75%-80%)
and two 320GBF1s in raid 0 are giving the performace of the raptor150 (which is much faster than the 74).
infact the F1 1TB drives are as good as rapotr when loading games, but not in loading the OS. but they are the best around.
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5. April 2008 @ 15:45 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn
Foxconn make pretty much everything. Didn't realise their effect was so widespread. Technically this means it isn't actually nvidia that makes the cards though is it?
Is Gigabyte a division of Foxconn or vice versa? I noticed the CPU shield on my mobo said foxconn on it.
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5. April 2008 @ 16:13 |
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I think Foxconn make that bracket at least, I'm sure I've seen that for my Asus board as well. Truth be known though, Foxconn might make the socket itself as well.
Shaff: A pair of 3870s get 100% gains in a few games, let's not discount that lol. I think I saw 100% from the 9600s in a couple of apps in a benchmark somewhere, too.
Your statement about the RAID0 is misleading. The transfer rate will be high, but the access time will be very poor, considering, and for an OS drive, that's really what you need. RAID0 is significantly slower at booting windows than a raptor. Still, 36 or 74GB, don't bother with the 150.
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5. April 2008 @ 17:09 |
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LOCOENG,
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Is Gigabyte a division of Foxconn or vice versa? I noticed the CPU shield on my mobo said foxconn on it.
Foxconn almost ate up GigaByte last year, which was what caused the GigaByte/Asus connection in the first place, even though it was only to prevent Foxconn from getting GigaByte to begin with. Fortunately GigaByte took the bit between their teeth and put out some outstanding price/performance motherboards with the 965P and then the P35 and P38 chipsets
Foxconn is the largest company of it's type in the world. They manufacture everything from motherboards to the components that go on motherboards. CPU Sockets, memory sockets PCI and PCIe sockets and so on. In terms of money, Foxconn has more than all the other motherboard companies combined!
Best Regards,
Russ
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5. April 2008 @ 17:44 |
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im pretty sure last yea asus sold 60mil, foxcom 40~ and gigabyte 30, with 95% of foxcons being OEM :O
yeah i didnt discount the 3870, but it cant do SLI :p i said in SLI.
and as i said, loading games it was faster, writign it was faster but OS laoding was not. it was a few seconds (7-8 IICR slwer at OS loading) but this is versus one 150. (although you get 640GB storage)
the 36 are very slow (vs any new good 7200RPM), the 74s beter (but with only 8mb cache, not gr8) and the best for performace are 150s, but with price in minds tw raid o WD or 7200.11 or F1s woudl beat them.
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5. April 2008 @ 17:46 |
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What's your point? You can do Crossfire with a standard Intel Chipset - with SLI you need an nvidia chipset board.
The 36GB drive is just as fast as the best 7200rpm drive for transfer rate, it just isn't any better (I own one). They're still blazing fast drives. As for the 640GB storage argument, you'd be better off using two normal drives, no half-redundancy woes, and better access times.
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5. April 2008 @ 18:15 |
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i was jsut talkign abtou nvidia cards and SLI, i wasnt countign xfire and ati cards.
thast my point.
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5. April 2008 @ 19:40 |
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5. April 2008 @ 19:53 |
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Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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5. April 2008 @ 20:01 |
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The Striker extreme is too expensive for him and 780i doesn't support DDR2 ram. So it's a toss up between the MSI and the EVGA board. I think I am leaning towards the MSI one.
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5. April 2008 @ 20:09 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
The Striker extreme is too expensive for him and 780i doesn't support DDR2 ram. So it's a toss up between the MSI and the EVGA board. I think I am leaning towards the MSI one.
look again. both those 780i boards do support DDR2. EVGA is the mobo manufacturer DocTY uses and prefers now. same 680i mobo I linked to I'm pretty sure. I'm sure the MSI is a good mobo as well.
Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 5. April 2008 @ 20:12
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5. April 2008 @ 20:15 |
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Sorry I didn't see that. But they are still too expensive. This is Just within his budget. Looks like it's gonna be an EVGA 122-CK-NF68-T1. Wow that's a mouthful!
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5. April 2008 @ 21:01 |
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5. April 2008 @ 21:21 |
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rob knowing your case and all I like the PC Power & Cooling 610 and the Antec NeoPower 650 but I don't know anything about the Antec. ;) The psu's I mentioned are oriented so the air would blow out the back of the case. Better in my mind than blowing down thru the bottom of the case.
Good luck with your choices. :P
....gm
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5. April 2008 @ 21:29 |
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Here's a few more to look at rob. ;) linky to psu's... at the EGG.... like you said I'm sure you can get better deals but here's some to look at that are on sale at the EGG!!! :D
.....gm
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5. April 2008 @ 21:41 |
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Rig #1 Asus Rampage Formula Mobo, Intel Core2Quad Q9450 CPU @ 3.55ghz, 2gb Corsair DDR2 1066 Dominator Ram @ 5-5-5-15, TR Ultra 120 Extreme w/ Scythe 9 blade 110 cfm 120mm Fan HSF, HIS Radeon 512mb HD3850 IceQ TurboX GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, CM Stacker 830 Evo Case, Rig #2 Asus P5W DH Deluxe Mobo, Intel C2D E6600 CPU @ 3.6ghz, 2gb Corsair XMS2 DDR2 800 Ram @ 4-4-4-12-2t, Zalman CNPS9500LED HSF, Sapphire Radeon X850XT PE GPU, Corsair 620HX P/S, Cooler Master Mystique Case, Viewsonic 20.1" Widescreen Digital LCD Monitor, Klipsch Promedia Ultra 5.1 THX Desktop Speakers, http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=348351 http://valid.x86-secret.com/show_oc.php?id=236435 |
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5. April 2008 @ 21:52 |
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I was wondering how long it would take for the Corsair pimping to get going....
BTW, I'll put my name in the hat for Corsair FTW!
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5. April 2008 @ 22:06 |
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The Corsair OR the PC Power and Cooling. I've only heard good things about their PSUs.
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