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Chiefer
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_ 		5. March 2007 @ 14:32 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
This is the 10th time I've gotten this error. I've converting the files into mpeg, but it didn't do anything. I don't know what im missing in this log. Please Help




[18:21:19] NeroVision Log created (Date: 03/05/2007)
[18:21:19] NeroVision Processors: 2 (Intel)
[18:21:19] NeroVision OS: Windows XP
[18:21:30] GCCore Detected DirectX Version: 9.0c
[18:21:36] ExpressUI Running Nero Vision Version: 4.1.0.9
[18:21:38] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[18:21:38] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.0.0.5, File Version: 4.0.0.5, Interface Version: 4.0.0.2
[18:21:38] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:21:38] DVDEngine END: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:21:38] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:21:38] DVDEngine END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:22:15] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[18:22:15] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.0.0.5, File Version: 4.0.0.5, Interface Version: 4.0.0.2
[18:22:15] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:22:15] DVDEngine END: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:22:15] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:22:15] DVDEngine END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:23:02] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[18:23:02] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.0.0.5, File Version: 4.0.0.5, Interface Version: 4.0.0.2
[18:23:02] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:23:02] DVDEngine END: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:23:02] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:23:02] DVDEngine END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:23:08] MMTools SourceBuilder: building c:\Downloads\House MD S3 - E 1-14 - EN - HDTV\House MD - 3x01 - Meaning.MPG audio/0
[18:23:09] MMTools SourceBuilder: --- used source filters ---
[18:23:09] MMTools {E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770} - File Source (Async.)
[18:23:09] MMTools {A336CD3B-599C-4F70-A34D-E88EDE4B64C3} - Nero Splitter
[18:23:09] MMTools {138130AF-A79B-45D5-B4AA-87697457BA87} - Nero Digital Audio Decoder
[18:23:09] MMTools SourceBuilder: file type MPEG2 - audio
[18:23:09] MMTools --------------------
[18:23:09] MMTools SourceBuilder: building c:\Downloads\House MD S3 - E 1-14 - EN - HDTV\House MD - 3x01 - Meaning.MPG video/0
[18:23:10] MMTools SourceBuilder: --- used source filters ---
[18:23:10] MMTools {E436EBB5-524F-11CE-9F53-0020AF0BA770} - File Source (Async.)
[18:23:10] MMTools {A336CD3B-599C-4F70-A34D-E88EDE4B64C3} - Nero Splitter
[18:23:10] MMTools {C0BA9CF8-96E0-4C34-B5DE-E92C3FC05ED6} - Nero Video Decoder
[18:23:10] MMTools SourceBuilder: file type MPEG2 - video
[18:23:10] MMTools --------------------
[18:23:27] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[18:23:27] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.0.0.5, File Version: 4.0.0.5, Interface Version: 4.0.0.2
[18:23:27] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:23:27] DVDEngine END: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:23:27] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:23:27] DVDEngine END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:23:37] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[18:23:37] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.0.0.5, File Version: 4.0.0.5, Interface Version: 4.0.0.2
[18:23:37] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:23:37] DVDEngine END: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:23:37] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:23:37] DVDEngine END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Burn process started by user.
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Destination: LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Directory for temporary files: c:\DVD
[18:24:17] ExpressUI ------<Nero Vision Project Information>--------
[18:24:17] ExpressUI --- Project type: DVD-Video
[18:24:17] ExpressUI --- Project video options ---
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Video mode: NTSC
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Aspect ratio: Automatic
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Quality: Long play (3382 kbps)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Resolution: 720 x 480 (CCIR-601 D1)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Sample format: Automatic
[18:24:17] <---MT---> File type: MPEG-2
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Audio format: Automatic
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Encoding mode: High Quality (2-pass VBR)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Nero SmartEncoding: Automatic
[18:24:17] ExpressUI --- Project space information ---
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Media type: DVD ( bytes maximum capacity)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Total space used: 3.35 out of 4.38 GB
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Space used for menus: 0.4 out of 1024.0 MB
[18:24:17] ExpressUI --- Project contents ---
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Sample format: Automatic
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Audio format: Automatic
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Encoding mode: High Quality (2-pass VBR)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Number of titles: 3
[18:24:17] <---MT---> 1. House MD - 3x01 - Meaning (Video Title, 0h 42m 41s)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Video mode: NTSC
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Aspect ratio: 16:9
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Quality: Long play (3382 kbps)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Resolution: 720 x 480 (CCIR-601 D1)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 0.0 %
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Video SmartEncoding ratio: 0.0 %
[18:24:17] <---MT---> 2. House MD - 3x02 - Cane and Able (Video Title, 0h 42m 39s)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Video mode: NTSC
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Aspect ratio: 16:9
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Quality: Long play (3382 kbps)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Resolution: 720 x 480 (CCIR-601 D1)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 0.0 %
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Video SmartEncoding ratio: 0.0 %
[18:24:17] <---MT---> 3. House MD - 3x03 - Informed Consent (Video Title, 0h 42m 38s)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Video mode: NTSC
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Aspect ratio: 16:9
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Quality: Long play (3382 kbps)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Resolution: 720 x 480 (CCIR-601 D1)
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Audio SmartEncoding ratio: 0.0 %
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Video SmartEncoding ratio: 0.0 %
[18:24:17] <---MT---> Number of menus: 1
[18:24:17] <---MT---> - Main menu (1 page)
[18:24:17] ExpressUI --------<End of Project Information>----------
[18:24:17] ExpressUI ------Recording Parameters------
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Book Type: 1
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Destination Device: LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S (Capabilities: 001BE017)
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Recording Flags: 77
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Recording Speed: 0
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Volume Name: HOUSE_M_D_
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Burn-at-once flag: 1
[18:24:17] ExpressUI Fast Update allowed: 0
[18:24:17] ExpressUI --End of recording parameters---
[18:24:17] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[18:24:17] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.0.0.5, File Version: 4.0.0.5, Interface Version: 4.0.0.2
[18:24:17] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:24:17] DVDEngine END: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:24:17] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterCallback
[18:24:17] DVDEngine ..Session callback registered...
[18:24:17] DVDEngine END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterCallback
[18:24:17] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterApplicationService
[18:24:17] DVDEngine ..Application service registered...
[18:24:17] DVDEngine END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterApplicationService
[18:24:17] DVDEngine C:\PROGRAM FILES\NERO\NERO 7\NERO VISION\DVDENGINE.DLL
[18:24:17] DVDEngine Product Version: 4.0.0.5, File Version: 4.0.0.5, Interface Version: 4.0.0.2
[18:24:17] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:24:17] DVDEngine END: IDVDEngineManagerImpl - CreateDVDVideoSession
[18:24:17] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:24:17] DVDEngine END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - ~IDVDVideoSessionImpl
[18:24:18] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - BeginDiscAccess
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..Access mode=read/write
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..Flags=0
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..Write speed=22160 KB/s (16x)
[18:24:18] DVDEngine Initializing C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Nero Vision\DVDBlockAcc.dll ModVer: 4.0.0.9 ProdVer: 4.0.0.5
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..Medium type=DVD+R
[18:24:18] DVDEngine DVD format is 1, media type is 0x00002008
[18:24:18] DVDEngine Supported Access Modes: 0x00000001
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - Update HCB state
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - Update HCB state
[18:24:18] DVDEngine END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - BeginDiscAccess
[18:24:18] DVDUI Description creation/update : success
[18:24:18] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - Prepare
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..BAO activated
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **BEGIN: _DVDVideo - Prepare
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..VTS_Ns=3...
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ****BEGIN: _DVDVideoBase - Prepare VMG
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...VMGM_VOBS_exist = true
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ******BEGIN: VMGM_VOBS - Process Create
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ********BEGIN: _VOBS - Process VOB
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **********BEGIN: _VOBS - _M_analyze_cnv_input
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...Duration 333667
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..._streamtime_frame_duration is 333667
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...This is a still stream
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...Stream 0 is 'Video'
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...Stream 1 is 'System/Stream'
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **********END: _VOBS - _M_analyze_cnv_input
[18:24:18] NeroVision Analyze video stream
[18:24:18] NeroVision Seg. | frames | weight | volume
[18:24:18] NeroVision ------+---------+--------+--------
[18:24:18] NeroVision 0 | 1 | 2 | 2
[18:24:18] NeroVision ------+---------+--------+--------
[18:24:18] NeroVision total : 2
[18:24:18] NeroVision Estimate Size
[18:24:18] NeroVision +-------+------+--------+----------+---------
[18:24:18] NeroVision |Stream | Seg. | UnComp.| Duration | Size (KB)
[18:24:18] NeroVision +-------+------+--------+----------+---------
[18:24:18] NeroVision | 0 | 0 | 1 | 0.03 | 150
[18:24:18] NeroVision | 1 | 0 | 0 | 0.03 | 0
[18:24:18] NeroVision +-------+------+--------+----------+---------
[18:24:18] NeroVision total data size : 382977 bytes
[18:24:18] NeroVision multiplexed size : 397312 bytes
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ********END: _VOBS - Process VOB
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ******END: VMGM_VOBS - Process Create
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ****END: _DVDVideoBase - Prepare VMG
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ****BEGIN: _DVDVideoBase - Prepare VTS#1
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...VTSM_VOBS_exist = false
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ******BEGIN: VTSTT_VOBS#1 - Process Create
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ********BEGIN: _VOBS - Process VOB
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **********BEGIN: _VOBS - _M_analyze_cnv_input
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...Duration 25615615590
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..._streamtime_frame_duration is 333667
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...Stream 0 is 'Video'
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ...Stream 1 is 'Audio'
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **********END: _VOBS - _M_analyze_cnv_input
[18:24:18] NeroVision Analyze video stream
[18:24:18] NeroVision Seg. | frames | weight | volume
[18:24:18] NeroVision ------+---------+--------+--------
[18:24:18] NeroVision 0 | 76770 | 2 | 153540
[18:24:18] NeroVision ------+---------+--------+--------
[18:24:18] NeroVision total : 153540
[18:24:18] NeroVision Estimate Size
[18:24:18] NeroVision +-------+------+--------+----------+---------
[18:24:18] NeroVision |Stream | Seg. | UnComp.| Duration | Size (KB)
[18:24:18] NeroVision +-------+------+--------+----------+---------
[18:24:18] NeroVision | 0 | 0 | 1 | 2561.56 | 1057744
[18:24:18] NeroVision | 1 | 0 | 1 | 2561.56 | 61477
[18:24:18] NeroVision +-------+------+--------+----------+---------
[18:24:18] NeroVision total data size : 1146311837 bytes
[18:24:18] NeroVision multiplexed size : 1198268416 bytes
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ********END: _VOBS - Process VOB
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ******END: VTSTT_VOBS#1 - Process Create
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ****END: _DVDVideoBase - Prepare VTS#1
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **END: _DVDVideo - Prepare
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ########################################################################################
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ERROR
[18:24:18] DVDEngine cause: 128 (nmc_processing_exception)
[18:24:18] DVDEngine source: GetFormatType
[18:24:18] DVDEngine description: Cannot get media type
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ########################################################################################
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - Clear
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - Clear
[18:24:18] DVDEngine END: IDVDVideoSessionImpl - Prepare
[18:24:18] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - EndDiscAccess
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..Flags=0
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **BEGIN: _MediaAccess::Release ()
[18:24:18] DVDEngine **END: _MediaAccess::Release ()
[18:24:18] DVDEngine END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - EndDiscAccess
[18:24:18] DVDEngine BEGIN: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterCallback
[18:24:18] DVDEngine ..Session callback unregistered...
[18:24:18] DVDEngine END: IDVDSessionBaseImpl - RegisterCallback
[18:24:18] DVDUI Device [LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S] unlock SUCCEED
[18:24:19] NeroVision 5C82-0010-8010-0000-0005-7796-2495
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5C03-0010-8010-0000-0009-9581-1411
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5C01-0010-8010-0000-0004-6781-8350
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5C02-0010-8010-0000-0001-5767-8827
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5C00-0010-8010-0000-0008-8655-8602
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Windows XP 5.1
[18:24:19] <---MT---> IA32
[18:24:19] <---MT---> WinAspi: -
[18:24:19] <---MT---> ahead WinASPI: File 'C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\Wnaspi32.dll': Ver=2.0.1.74, size=164112 bytes, created 11/2/2004 12:54:32 PM
[18:24:19] <---MT---> NT-SPTI used
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Nero API version: 7.0.1.4
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Using interface version: 7.0.0.0
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Installed in: C:\Program Files\Nero\Nero 7\Core\
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Application: ahead\NeroVision
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Internal Version: 7, 0, 1, 4
[18:24:19] <---MT---> === Scsi-Device-Map ===
[18:24:19] <---MT---> CdRomPeripheral : LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S atapi Port 2 ID 0 DMA: On
[18:24:19] <---MT---> CdRomPeripheral : LG CD-RW CED-8080B atapi Port 2 ID 1 DMA: On
[18:24:19] <---MT---> DiskPeripheral : WDC WD1600JB-00GVA0 atapi Port 3 ID 0 DMA: On
[18:24:19] <---MT---> DiskPeripheral : Maxtor 51536U3 atapi Port 3 ID 1 DMA: On
[18:24:19] <---MT---> CdRomPeripheral : FgF-techCDDVD+tech-200x 0800 FGDSCSI Port 4 ID 0 DMA: Off
[18:24:19] <---MT---> CdRomPeripheral : FgF-techCDDVD+tech-200x 0800 FGDSCSI Port 4 ID 1 DMA: Off
[18:24:19] <---MT---> CdRomPeripheral : FgF-techCDDVD+tech-200x 0800 FGDSCSI Port 4 ID 2 DMA: Off
[18:24:19] <---MT---> === CDRom-Device-Map ===
[18:24:19] <---MT---> LG CD-RW CED-8080B E: CDRom1
[18:24:19] <---MT---> LITE-ON DVDRW SHW-160P6S F: CDRom0
[18:24:19] <---MT---> FgF-tech CDDVD+tech-200x G: CDRom2
[18:24:19] <---MT---> FgF-tech CDDVD+tech-200x H: CDRom3
[18:24:19] <---MT---> FgF-tech CDDVD+tech-200x I: CDRom4
[18:24:19] <---MT---> =======================
[18:24:19] <---MT---> AutoRun : 1
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Excluded drive IDs:
[18:24:19] <---MT---> WriteBufferSize: 74448896 (0) Byte
[18:24:19] <---MT---> ShowDrvBufStat : 0
[18:24:19] <---MT---> BUFE : 0
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Physical memory : 511MB (523756kB)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Free physical memory: 161MB (165716kB)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Memory in use : 68 %
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Uncached PFiles: 0x0
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Use Inquiry : 1
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Global Bus Type: default (0)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Check supported media : Disabled (0)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5.3.2007
[18:24:19] <---MT---> NeroAPI
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Existing drivers:
[18:24:19] <---MT---> File 'Drivers\PXHELP20.SYS': Ver=3.00.43J, size=36624 bytes, created 2/22/2007 11:29:52 PM (Prassi/Veritas driver for win 2K)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> File 'Drivers\InCDfs.SYS': Ver=4, 3, 23, 0, size=102016 bytes, created 1/17/2006 10:09:34 AM (InCD4 driver for win NT/2K/XP)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> File 'Drivers\InCDpass.SYS': Ver=4, 3, 23, 0, size=29440 bytes, created 1/17/2006 10:09:28 AM (InCD4 driver for win NT/2K/XP)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> File 'Drivers\InCDrec.SYS': Ver=4, 3, 23, 0, size=8704 bytes, created 1/16/2006 5:41:20 PM (InCD4 driver for win NT/2K/XP)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> Registry Keys:
[18:24:19] <---MT---> HKLM\Software\Microsoft\Windows NT\CurrentVersion\WinLogon\AllocateCDROMs : 0 (Security Option)
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binkie7
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_ 		5. March 2007 @ 17:57 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi Chiefer
What did you use to convert the files to mpeg? From the log - description: Cannot get media type Nero's not liking something with them. Fails within 3 mins.

Nero API version: 7.0.1.4
Update Nero - quite a few fixes & enhancements since the version you have. The latest is 7.7.5.1.

What was the original format? If it's one Nero accepts try just converting w/ Nero.

Burn-at-once flag: 1
Turn off burn at once. Not playing into this error - but better to let Nero convert the files 1st then it will start the burn process.

edit to add - edit out the serial # too - don't need someone else using them.
There here is the log (begin w/ 5C)
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5C
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5C
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5C
[18:24:19] <---MT---> 5C
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_ 		5. March 2007 @ 18:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
just my opinion,which dont mean much around here, but Binkie7 you should be promoted to a MOD. you know your stuff and allways helping out. thank god for people like you here at AD..

im sorry i know this dont have anything to do with the topic. please dont let me get hit with lighting..lol
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lol
txs cincyrob - you do quite well w/ the scan result knowledge imho

Plus these logs aren't that hard to read at all.
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_ 		5. March 2007 @ 18:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
that might be true, but i sure dont know what they mean..lol all chinese to me..lol
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