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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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7. September 2007 @ 06:19 |
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Sound advice, obviously a 120mm side fan would be nice, but since there's no room for one on the case it'd be a little pointless. I wouldn't advise using one of those size adapters, there's nothing to be gained by using them, since you can't force extra air through the same sized hole without a pump, and pc case fans just don't generate the pressure.
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harvrdguy
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7. September 2007 @ 06:24 |
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Hey, a quick post, and I'm outta here. Thanks for the encouragement, Sam. So I shouldn't burn Mo too bad for dumping the cone? Okay, I'm glad you told me that.
Your information about fans really opened my eyes. You said the side vent doesn't do much unless there is a fan mounted there. I never would have thought of mounting a fan there. That is exactly what I am going to do.
You said you had an intake fan on the side that you turned around to convert to an exhaust fan, with noticeable improvement in cooling the case. Fantastic! That tells me that I'll unscrew the little plastic cylinder, forgetting about the hack saw for now, and I'll put an exhaust fan there. (It will be a little awkward to take the cover on and off, having to unplug the molex each time. I guess I should get an extra long molex cable somewhere.) But I am certain that is going to be a big help.
Like I say, I haven't been able to feel anything coming out of that hole - I thought all along that the cpu fan was sucking in, not blowing out. So, even with that amount of restriction in air flow, the cpu fan has had no problems so far in keeping my p4 from burning up. It stands to reason that adding a solid exhaust fan to that side vent can't do anything but help. So in that case, I'll just leave the other slow 1241 rpm fan right where it is. You have fans cruising at only 500 rpm, and you have no problems with your case. So I'll leave it there, and go for the side fix.
Great suggestion, Sam. Thanks again - and thanks to everybody on the forum!
Rich Estes
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harvrdguy
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7. September 2007 @ 06:31 |
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Wow, Kardson, I didn't see your post. I just answered Sam. I'm going to have to study your post carefully. Between you and Sam you guys know a lot about air flow. I didn't even realize it was possible to mount a fan in front.
Great suggestions! I'll catch up next week.
Thanks,
Rich
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7. September 2007 @ 06:33 |
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wow, wicked long posts.
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(Like Waymon with the omega drivers. Hey Waymon, are they still working for you?)
Yep, they're working fine, no problems so far...
Sammorris, can we see a pic of your case opened up? I really want to see how the hell you can have your fans at 500rpm, and not heat up.
As for harvrdguy's post, I have to agree with sam, it is the longest, and best structured post ever! I cant really comment on anything as I have the TW, but man, that took me a while to read.
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kardson
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7. September 2007 @ 07:23 |
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Speaking about the SIDE of the case...
the TOP hole where a fan is supossed to go... this should be an intake fan.. IE BLOWING INTO the case...
The bottom part of the side of the case... where there isn't holes to screw a fan into it... just the vent. Since its not a window you don't have to worry about how "pretty" it is.. Just superglue a fan to that as an EXHAUST fan ie blowing AIR OUT. a couple little drops near the edges will work just fine. OR you can get a PCI slot exhaust fan... but that uses up yet another slot..
Like this http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835888112
As for the front intake fan.. Yes, most cases either allow for 2 80mm fans or 1 120mm fan. I like the cases with the 120mm fan better .. less noise.
In most cases you have to remove the front of the case to screw the fan into place.. and ussually the front of the case is held on by 2 screws on each side (inside the case) and those little knobs you squeez to pull it off.
So to give you a better idea of how MY case is setup...
I have 2 80mm fans in the front blowing air into the case between my 2 hard drives.. which almost line up with the video card.. then I have a 70mm fan that blows air OUT the side near the bottom of the case. So air comes in the front.. blows over the hard drives.. hits my sound card and video card.. then the side exhaust fan blows that air out..
THEN near the top of the side of the case I have a 80mm intake fan that blows air onto the CPU and motherboard. With a 120mm fan on the back of the case as the primary exhaust fan.
This ensures that air is flowing through most of the case....
IF you have a window case.. and you know a smoker... or don't mind a cigar or 2.
Pick up 1 cigar.. cheap or expensive.. doesn't matter.
Light that baby up and blow smoke into the FRONT of the case...
watch the smoke, is it making it to the Hot spots in your case?
Does it flow over the graphics card and cpu? if not your airflow isn't set up properly.
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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harvrdguy
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7. September 2007 @ 08:46 |
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Hey Waymon,
Thanks for the supportive words from you guys - I was getting a little nervous - I kind of got carried away with that post and it accidentally turned into an encyclopedia article.
So the drivers are still working good? I'll have to get more details later. What about that one game they are saying you can't play with omega drivers - I think it was in kardson's post. Is that true? The author of ATT, Ray Adams, says that he has not had a problem with the ATI drivers or Catalyst, and he is running an x1800xtx. Isn't that almost the same chip?
Kardson, it's scary how much you know about fans and case exhaust. I have to head out of here for sure, and I haven't had time to really study all these great posts.
But I have to ask you one basic question. Heat rises. Then doesn't it make more sense, since heat rises, that the bottom square set of vents be an intake into the case, allowing the cooler air closer to the floor to come in?
Now, maybe it normally doesn't matter because we're only talking 1 foot max, but here's my setup:
I'm in an office and I can't move anything. I actually have my tower under a desk that is formed from some built-ins meeting at the corner of the office, allowing me to slide a chair right into the corner. The two desk surfaces merging are 2 feet in depth, so the corner extends from point to point about 2.8 feet - square root of 8. Large sliding drawers create a wall. The total rectangular space is about 10 square feet for the tower and a trash can, and my legs. The heat from the tower rises, and there is only a little 2" round hole in the very back through the desk surface but it is jam-packed with cables. (I do have a circular drill, and I could drill another hole.)
It gets really warm under there when I am gaming, and I can feel the heat coming out over my legs.
So, given that scenario, are you still telling me that in your experience, you don't care about pulling from lower, cooler air? Are you saying that the flow you create over-rides those concerns?
By the way, I like your cigar technique. Expensive or cheap, it doesn't matter. You mean to say I don't have to pull out one of those rare Havanas I've been hiding? :=) Don't tell customs. Just kidding.
See you guys,
Rich
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kardson
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7. September 2007 @ 09:19 |
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2 reasons I would have the bottom be the exhaust and the top be the intake.
bottom as exhaust..
Reason - its closest to the TEC side of the heatsink on the card. Thus will remove that heat quicker... you already have cool air coming in from the FRONT of the computer.. or should be at least.
Also the Gecube is a pretty wide card.. leaving little room for air to go up
Top as intake.
You already have an exhaust fan in the back at the same level as the top fan. If you set it up like that the 2 fans are working against each other creating improper airflow. Not to mention the fact that the CPU fan should be blowing air onto the heatsink, not away from it... where is the fresh air coming from? if your sucking it all out via the top vent and the back vent before it has a chance to cool the cpu... your just making its job harder as well.
http://www.tweak3d.net/tweak/airflowtweak/print.shtml
http://www.heatsink-guide.com/casecool.htm
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7. September 2007 @ 10:29 |
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Well, the omega drivers are working fine, great actully. Best drivers for a ATi card I have encountered so far.
Note: When you install the drivers, follow the instructions on the first page of the exe, it states that you have to remove the CCC, and only the CCC, not the Ati drivers, or anything else. Then you can go ahead and install them. At first I had a problem where the omega drivers wouldnt install, the installation would just quit, like its supposted to, but the omega drivers wouldnt be there, just the crap that came from the exe, like tray tools and some other little apps. I wrote a guide thats a few pages back, and it tells you how to install the omega drivers, so that you can enjoy the ATi card the way its meant to be enjoyed.
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kardson
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7. September 2007 @ 10:45 |
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I agree with Waymon3X6, Omega drivers are great.
I just wish he would update them so they are compatible with Bioshock :(
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harvrdguy
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7. September 2007 @ 14:01 |
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Yeah Waymon,
BIOSHOCK RUINS OMEGA'S PARTY
That's the program that kardson was mentioning before - bioshock. (Not that it bothers me - I'm strictly WWII plus crysis.) So according to kardson, no bioshock with omega drivers, true? Well, what about medal of honor airborne? Do you get full shader 3 support with omega? So out of curiosity what is bioshock running that is not supported?
And yes, I am very familiar with your earlier post about directing windows to the omega install folder and with a great deal of trepidation, telling xp to go ahead and do the radeon x1950xt even though Windows said "This is not the right driver - you will die!!!" You were gutsy enough to do it and look where it got you - double the frame rates!
WAYMON'S ACT OF COURAGE
I remember clearly that you were so stoked you typed your whole post in bold. It made a strong impression on me, you think I could forget? Those magic words, "I'm so happy!" are permanently engraved in my brain, just waiting for the day they will come out of my lips when Airborne demo stops telling me "card not supported." Grrrr!
All kidding aside, it was a nice post.
WAYMON'S VIRUS
But seriously dude, why were your framerates so slow in the first place? The Gecube is so strong, and you're oc'ing it, right? Near 700 or something - at least 675? At one time, I couldn't believe it, you said you were longing for the old days of your 9800xt, which I have installed in my really slow computer, (should I mail it to you :=) they'll pay you to take it off their hands on ebay!) I mean, for crying out loud, the x850xtpe that I still am using is easily double the 9800 speed, and I'm only getting 2250 3dmark 6, while all you x1950xt dudes are scoring 4500, and some of you a crazy 6000! So how could you have been getting lame framerates? It doesn't make any sense.
MATCHOFF
I know you blame the drivers Waymon, but ......... Hey, Kardson, what do you think about that? Yes I am intentionally trying to pit the two of you AGAINST EACH OTHER. But it's all for the good of science, right Sam?
Kardson, here's a thought. You're running strong right now with ati (I know - no catalyst). Why don't you do some poking around in whatever Battlefield waymon was trying to run, same program, same settings, same map, same size armies, hopefully same server, and take a look at your framerates? Wouldn't we all love to see the results of that! My bet is that your framerates would be rockin - just as good as waymon is getting now! If that were the case - and I'd put money on it that it turns out that way, then we would really be getting somewhere. We would know that it wasn't omega vs ati, it's the fact that waymon has a virus of the slow Battlefield variety!
But if waymon ruled, and, all variables considered, you should be getting what he's getting, but he's way above you, then we would know, clearly, omega is superior.
So what about it guys. A battlefield faceoff. We've got Kardson in the right corner with ati and stock cooler. Waymon weighing in with water cooled omega unit. Who has the better framerates? Winner gets $5 - I'll send a check!
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FAN PLACEMENT
Kardson, back to hardware. You make too much sense. You've got me convinced about the case fans. Heat rises is not a factor. That hot air will damn well go where we tell it to go "Get out of the case b*tch!"
I'm with you dude. None of this "heat rises" pussy-footing around for us hard core Gecube tec masochists :=) "Airborne!" I'll study your stuff a lot more in the next few days and follow the links, and between you, me and Sammorris you guys will get me squared away, while old waymon kicks back with his Bud and his acceptable framerates "vent the case, what .... ?"
By the way, kardson, how many amps do these aggressive fans draw - and is it 12 volt rail, or 5 volts? If it's a molex, that's 12 volts right? I have 500 Allied watts and 20 total amps on the 12 volt rail.
I am guessing and hoping that my devices don't draw power when they aren't being used. Like cd burner if I'm not burning. Or even dvd reader, after the game disk is logged. Or the C disk after xp boots up and runs on D - I just changed power settings to "turn off disks in 10 minutes" so the C should shut down and not draw current, right? But how many of those strong fans do you want me to get and install before I run out of amps and I can no longer power the tec? That would be bad, right?
TEC MONITOR
Hey, speaking of the tec, is there a way to tell if the tec is actually working? I think I saw something like that, either on the marlow web site, or here on these forums. Supposedly Gecube turns the tec on and off. Temps rise, the tec comes on. Does Ati tools pick up on that? Should I go back over to that forum and ask Ray, the author? If it's not in there, he's got some coding to do, right? I'd like to see a button light up - THE TEC IS ON!! I mean for all the trouble we're going through, bugles should sound! I'll go find the wav file. (Waymon floats on by, watching the mermaids, "What....? what trouble? ...what bugles...? what heat rises? ...there is no hot air when you are submerged.... gurgle gurgle".) Waymon, we're jealous. Well, actually, Kardson isn't because he's already won. I am. I have to vent my case!
FRONT DRAW
Kardson, I really like the idea of cool air coming in through the front (and yes I hear you about, set up side to suck, not blow. I'll study your stuff more.)
I do have a concern, however, about the front. It sounds good. Only thing is I don't know if I have any front left. You're going to laugh but I have a floppy, a dvd reader, a cd writer, a c drive and a d drive. Five devices. You know my case - is there any more front left?
Well, I'm looking now, maybe there is. There is an aluminum colored piece near the bottom, but above the folding down window that exposes the front usb ports. That aluminum colored section is 4 inches high. In the middle is the start button and reset button. I am guessing that I could pop that whole aluminum colored piece out, and get something else that would position the start and reset buttons to the side, allowing me to mount a fan up front. If that's where you want it, that's where I'll put it. I'll go into the case again later for a closer look.
See you guys,
Rich
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kardson
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7. September 2007 @ 15:09 |
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Well, Where to start
BIOSHOCK
The problem with Bioshock is that when you try to play it without "approved" drivers based of 7.8 ati drivers. You get missing textures and corrupt data..
Thats why you have to install the 7.8 drivers THEN overwrite those with the 7.7 drivers... NVIDIA has a similar problem where you need patched drivers to play bioshock.
MATCHOFF
I believe your referring to battlefield 2, which im installing right now. I'll set up ATI Tray tools to record my Framerate, gpu temp, ect and I'll play on as close of a full map of 64 people that I can find.
I will max all settings that I can, Screen size of 1440x900 and my sound on Ultra High.. WIll post results when Im done.
I'll also run 3DMark 06 with the stock settings then @ 675mhz and 1500mhz mem (or 750) and give both results..
mind you I do not overclock my p4 630 (3.0ghz) processor or memory in my pc.
FAN PLACEMENT
Honestly fans draw so little power that it really shouldn't effect your PC. You can always make sure to by 5v fans rather than 12v fans if your worried. Worst case. You switch the Yellow cable for the Red cable. Total, with your case.. you should have 4 fans
1 120mm front fan, 1 80mm side fan, 1 70mm side fan, 1 120mm rear fan..
FRONT DRAW
I think you misunderstand how that front fan will sit in the case.
The front fan will sit INSIDE the case, just infront of the harddrives. The reason you need to take off the front of the computer case is so you can screw the fan into place.. similar to how the rear fan is placed.. its inside the case.. screwed in from the outside of the case.. There should be enough room to easly fit that fan in there.
TEC MONITOR
The Tec Cooler never TRUELY turns off. That is why the heatsink side of the card facing the closest to the rear of the case is always so hot. By placing a Thermostat inbetween 2 of the fins on that side of the heatsink I was getting temps around 160F. While in Counter Strike Source those temps went above the max my thermostat would read.. it just said "H" lol im assuming for HOT
So I believe the Tec cooler does ramp up to keep the gpu close to or below 70C
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kardson
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7. September 2007 @ 18:04 |
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CPU P4 630 (3.0ghz)
2gig DDR 400 memory
AGP 648core / 702 memory
3DMark 06 score = 4499
GPU temp 72c Max / 48.38c min
AGP Environment Temp. 56c Max / 51.00 Min
Case Temp 25.00c Max / 23.00c min
CPU Temp 63.00c Max / 41.00c min
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7. September 2007 @ 18:37 |
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Wow, lots of words!
But yeah, I'll run 3dmark06 again tomarrow, (I have to go to a wedding, but I think I can get it in some time) or maybe even tonight. The only thing is that I have my P4 3.2 oced to 3.502mhz, and I really dont feal like taking it back down. I'll run 3d06 with the standard core and mem, I think its 648, 702...
Btw, kardson, what program do you use to monitor your temps? Nvm, is it ati tray tools?
Man I would love a BF2 faceoff, the only thing is I dont think you can join a multiplayer game with the demo...
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7. September 2007 @ 18:54 |
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Sparkle?...
Well, maybe I mentioned that brand when I saw 8800's with the same fans as these GeCubes, and that I would be surprised if they could cool those enough...
And if you mean the picture you're showing there is the main picture,
that's not PCIe.
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kardson
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7. September 2007 @ 19:00 |
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I have the full version of Battlefield 2 + all the expansions
I use Ati Tray Tools to monitor the stats.
Found Under Hardware --> Monitoring Graphs
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7. September 2007 @ 19:19 |
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Oh, Great! Maybe we can play some time!
But anyway, just ran 3dmark06
CPU P4 socket 478 3.2Ghz HT @3.5Ghz
3GB Kingston Value Ram DDR400 Duel Channel mode
Gecube @ 645/702
3DMark06 Score: 4422
sm 2.0 score: 1912
HDR/SM3 score: 2222
CPU score: 973 KICK ASS
Temps:
GPU Max: 59.13C
Minimum: 41.88C
Environment Max: 45C
Min: 41C
Case Max:30C
Min:28C
EDIT: Just one random question, would it make a difference if I took out 1GB of ram, and just had 2gigs? I have (2)1GB sticks and (2)512mb sticks, I would take the 512mb sticks out. The GB sticks are in duel channel mode.
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harvrdguy
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7. September 2007 @ 19:20 |
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Kardson,
Wow, just those last two links are a complete education in fan placement. I haven't gone through them yet.
MATCHUP
Those fps figures for Battlefield 2 are going to be very interesting - what do you think Waymon? Let's see what Kardson gets with ati versus your omega. You know, really, it would be great if you guys could actually coordinate your schedules to log onto the same server at the same time, on the same map. Then it's really an apples to apples test, doesn't everybody agree? What are your thoughts, Sammorris?
Do you think you two guys could get that coordinated? That could save a lot of having to adjust the data later for differences in server bandwidth, map, etc, etc. You could be on the same team at the same place, both of you on your microphones - "I'm getting 25 fps right now" "Oh, yeah, well I'm getting 35, so take this!" No friendly fire will be tolerated :P
CASE FANS - DOES RICH GET THE IDEA?
Kardson, quick first question: You mentioned that the cpu fan should be blowing onto the chip. Is my cpu fan blowing the wrong way?
When you talk about the 4 fans, are you not counting the fan that is fastened to the cpu? I mean, it's always a given, isn't it, that the cpu will have a cooler with fan, just like the psu will have its own psu fan(s)? Right?
I am going to assume that this is true, that we are talking about 4 more fan placements other than psu or cpu fans. And you say I can go from the 5 volt 52 amp side instead of the 12 volt side - is that true for any size fan??
I have the exact case as in the picture. Here it is again:
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There are four wide slots on top - two of them are being used by dvd reader, and cd burner. I can move them together giving me 3.25" of height - what size fan or fans would that be. I don't care too much about noise, so if two 80s will fit, that's fine. You said you wanted the fans to blow horizontally across to the graphics card, but that space is way up at the top of the case - see the case picture - I could mount the fan at the bottom of the wide rack, but that still puts it up above the narrower rack that holds 6 devices. Is that okay? If I were to try to put the fan in the lower narrower rack, I have plenty of room to put a fan, but nowhere to create an opening in front - refer to picture on the left - I have the same square thing that doesn't pop out, holding the start and reset buttons. And the narrow rectangles above that open a window that lets me use my floppy drive.
So, looking at the picture on the left, front of the case, you see the big square thing at the bottom, then two small rectangles above that, then I can pop off the two wide ones just above that, mounting the fan or fans right there below the reader and the separate burner.
Each plastic piece is 5 7/8 x 1 3/4, two of them giving me an opening 5 7/8" wide x 3.5" high. What size fan or fans correspond to those numbers?
So that's where you want me, at the bottom of the upper rack, not at the very top of the computer case, right?
For the round side vent hole, I'll mount, inside, a suction fan blowing into the case. It will be blowing directly toward the cpu fan. But right now the cpu fan is blowing away from the motherboard, so they would fight each other.
How do I reverse direction of the cpu fan? Is it the way the fan was mounted, or do I reverse some leads and run it backward. Mo can change that for me, if it is changeable.
Then I'll glue a fan over the square vent holes to help vent the case outward. And I will increase the fan rating on the back case fan which will also vent outward.
To summarize, 1. the front fan, or fans, will pull air in at the lower location of the upper wide rack, underneath the reader and burner. 2. The upper round side vent hole will have a fan mounted inside the case, also pulling air into the case, toward the cpu. (The cpu fan should blow toward the motherboard, not away as it is now.)
Blowing out the case will be the superglued fan over the square bottom hole, and a beefed up version of the present back case exhaust fan.
Do I have this right so far?
I do have an extra pci slot available and I already bought a vantec spectrum pci slot fan card with two fans like on your links. It has a manual slider control out the back. They will be blowing upward directly onto the Gecube, as you suggested.
If I am more of less on the right track, then I will probably take the case over to Mo, who has a lot of experience building PCs, and he'll know all the types of fans, voltages, etc. I am thinking that I will need to work with 5 volts as much as possible, to leave the 12 volts for the tec. As I mentioned I have a total of 52 amps available on the 12 volt rail. This is hard drive voltage, right? My C drive will turn itself off after 10 minutes, because I run xp and my games only from D. The dvd reader, I suppose, will turn itself off after it identifies the game disk. So do I have lots of 5 volt left for fans?
It seems that way to me.
Thanks Kardson, let me know if I missed something major.
Rich
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7. September 2007 @ 19:29 |
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wow, you must spend a lot of time on your posts! But anyway, yeah, as I said before, I'd love to play some BF2 with kardson, I've got a mic, and fraps. No prob! Btw, my name is [~X~]IceFire
Dumb name, made it quite some time ago, but yea, if you want to do a search, include the [~X~] in the search, as I added that to my real name, so it's not just a clan tag, its a permanent piece of my name...
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harvrdguy
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7. September 2007 @ 19:29 |
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Wow,
Kardson and Waymon, you guys are running neck and neck!
Waymon 4422, Kardson 4499.
Perfect BF2 faceoff. Let the battle begin!
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harvrdguy
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7. September 2007 @ 19:47 |
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Yeah I've been spending way too much time on the posts. But I never knew this much about computers before. All because the Airborne demo said "card not supported." So I kind of went off on a techie binge over the last 10 days.
But I better get back to selling real estate before I get even broker than I am, which would be hard to do.
Rich
P.S. Ok Waymon, so did you say your online name is [~X~]IceFire or did the post change it from something else you typed? That's cool. You're right, it looks like a clan tag.
Regarding you and Kardson, yeah let's find out what happens when you and Kardson do the big matchup! I am super interested, because that's where you were getting the really low framerates, with the ati drivers. Let's see what Kardson comes up with his ati drivers, right there on the same map with you.
So that's your on-line name, right? So your real name is Waymon, right? And Kardson, is that your first name or your last? I think I have it figured out that Sammorris is Sam Morris, but I'm just guessing. I'm Rich Estes. Since I am truly a complete newbie, I have to ask, is it a violation of forum etiquette to go by real names along with the handles - or is it just a bad idea because then other posters won't know who is talking about whom? Just wondering.
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7. September 2007 @ 19:54 |
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The [~X~]IceFire is full online name, so if you do a search for [~X~]Icefire, you will find my stats in bf2, but if you do a search for IceFire, you will get someone else.
My real name is Raymond, but my last name begins with a W, so I just put that togeather with my first name and got waymon, not to sure about the 3X6 part though...
EDIT: Btw, not to sure if it is a violation to use names, I just know that you can put your email address up here because of spam bots, and you cant post real personal details to, like where you live, phone number, etc.
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kardson
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8. September 2007 @ 07:55 |
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I think your still getting the placement of the front fan wrong. AND if you use a PCI slot fan it should be located below your Gecube card and suck air OUT not it.
Take a look at this picture. I have circled the spots fans should go for better visualzation.
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8. September 2007 @ 08:10 |
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double post srry...
In its place FYI
overclocking the card to 657core /702 memory gave me the 3DMark score of
3DMark Score 4531 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 1979 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 2449 Marks
CPU Score 894 Marks
Detailed Test Results
Graphics Tests
1 - Return to Proxycon 16.401 FPS
2 - Firefly Forest 16.577 FPS
CPU Tests
CPU1 - Red Valley 0.281 FPS
CPU2 - Red Valley 0.454 FPS
HDR Tests
1 - Canyon Flight (SM 3.0) 24.604 FPS
2 - Deep Freeze (SM 3.0) 24.371 FPS
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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8. September 2007 @ 08:24 |
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I also recommend cutting at least the grills of the outward-fans out.
For me (actually my case) it was a drastic increase of airflow and cooling.
For the case on the picture, those grills seem pretty "transparent".
But I don't know if it's about the same case in practice...
I don't think you have to worry about "safety", the things are not going to cut off your fingers, probably just damage the fan if you hold it.
Don't stick anything in there then lol.
But it looks kool on the back, I look straight into the "vortexing" fan.
Only on the side I kept this "grill" which is a really open sort of mod-grill.
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Besides that, I'd also recommend one of the modular Zalman-PSUs with heatpipes.
It doesn't blow hard with the fan, but still it takes air out of the case and I guess the PSU is still being cooled enough.
Of course because of the heatpipe-solution.
And it's very very quiet, quality guaranteed! I have one...
Oh yeah, the sleeved cables are also great, they look kool, they're tight and round, great for air-cooled systems.
And since it uses the modular system, you can leave off the cables you don't need.
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9. September 2007 @ 01:06 |
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harvrdguy: Obviously don't take what I said about the side fan being an exhaust as gospel, it just happens to work in my case, presumably because of my fixed heatsink fanless graphics
card.
If you're worried about being able to remove fans, what you can do is buy a switchable fan controller like a Sunbeam Rheobus, and actually switch off the fan before you unplug it. I
STRONGLY DISRECOMMEND unplugging and replugging molex connectors with the PC on, you can make some dodgy contact, resulting in a large spark, and then your pc shuts down. Best avoided,
methinks.
Waymon: You're welcome to see my PC, although it's a real mess, what with the vast number of cables hanging in around in there, I'm amazed there's any airflow at all, I really should clean
it up! I'll post a picture soon.
Kardson: An intake fan at the top? Interesting, for me top fans work far better as exhaust, that seems logical due to the heat rises argument, but if you get better results, that's
interesting. I suppose it could be useful if you've got a dual fan power supply with a fan at the front, rather than underneath.
PCI exhaust fans seem a good idea, but in reality, I find they do very little, and have certainly got along fine without one.
In order to install front fans, it really depends on the case. My old superflower has the front fans inside on plastic lugs, youjust clip them on from the inside. The Antec 900 has them
inbuilt into the drive bay cages, so you thumbscrew those out and unscrew the front cover (that's tedious!) and on my main PC's case, the NZXT Lexa, you simply grab hold of the entire
front panel and pull it off to find the fan and dust filter behind.
Harvrdguy: you think Kardson scares you? since buying the NZXT Lexa in June last year, it's had the three stock NZXT Fans, then replaced with nexus fans, then one was replaced with a Noctua fan, I then removed that and put the nexus back, now I run three silverstones, about to be replaced by Scythe S-Flex fans I've bought.
As far as I can tell, the Gecube is set up for side exhaust, and even bottom exhaust better since it does exhaust heat right into the case (arguably if it didn't there'd be no problem) and blowing cold air onto the card only ensures the processor has to take all the heat from the graphics card, back to the A/C argument.
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I know you blame the drivers Waymon, but ......... Hey, Kardson, what do you think about that? Yes I am intentionally trying to pit the two of you AGAINST EACH OTHER. But it's all for the good of science, right Sam?
Here I am minding my own business and suddenly I'm starting fights? :S
4499 in 3dmark06, for a single core that's not bad at all. In fact, that's great! When I had an X2 4200+ (let's face it, far faster than a P4 630) I was only getting around 5500 without overclocking.
Waymon: CPU of 973? kickass indeed, even more kickass than my 2570!
Harvrdguy: I think Kardson's right, the fan should be on the heatsink blowing through the fins and out via the CPU end of the heatsink. That's how all the heatsinks i've had have worked.
You figured right about my name by the way...
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