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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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19. October 2007 @ 11:12 |
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I only have the demo. I don't really like racing games, unless they are on a console, because then I can do multiplayer.
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19. October 2007 @ 11:13 |
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I'll grab DIRT and see how I fare.
As for fraps, it doesn't affect performance, provided you're not recording video. If all you're using is the frame rate counter, it doesn't affect the game.
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19. October 2007 @ 13:04 |
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At abuzar, I cool the ram on the card with these: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835116019
They're just regular bronze heatsinks that work pretty well. Some people complain that they fall off, but I've had none of that yet and they've been on their since the first day i got the tidewater, which was a while back. You probably could do better with something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835119061
Although they're smaller, the have more ridges which probably helps the air pass through them more. My Antec 900 has a turbine fan sitting in the window which cools the gecube, so the heatsinks stay pretty cool.
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Ok, now for the 3dmark06 overclocking thing. I tried it last night, at 720/855 and got worse than what I got with stock speeds! I think I got like 3800 or something like that, so PLEASE DONT ADD THAT TO THE GRAPH! Thats not my final score. I think I overclocked the gpu a little to much to the point where it underperforms... Will try again tonight...
Btw, is it true that over clocking can make your card work worse with higher clocks? I think I went over the limit, although it didnt freeze or anything like that.
Also, ATi Tool will only let me go to 715 if I'm lucky on the GPU clock. Why is this? I can get above that with ATi Tray Tools, which is what I used to get the 720 speed. I can get to 740 I believe, and then the screen freezes. But, if I play a game a 736, it will freeze also, so I guess I need to find the max stable limit for the gpu.
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19. October 2007 @ 13:26 |
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ATI probably uses a more stressful test render, so it may cause the card to crash earlier. That's good, as it means you're not totally stable at anything above what you can get with ATItool. I've not heard of the score dropping that much with an overclock, unless there was an overheat problem, which sounds unlikely.
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19. October 2007 @ 14:55 |
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Ray, I won't change the graph!
Sam, so you're saying a 20% performance hit with 4x pci-e. That's good information. But you lost me on the pci-e version of the gecube that would be faster than the agp version. I believe the agp gecube puts out about 10000 fill rate - I'm not aware of a pci-e card around $200 that is much faster than that - maybe 10400 from the charts I have seen. By the way, you said there was a fill rate test on 3dmark6 - when you run it Sam, what fill rate do you get?
Mike, I hear you on the cpu bound. So maybe I'll be a little less lazy and go for option 1 and get the gecube and the new psu. Then like Faugyou the little ruby chick will be bangin, lol.
That should give me 4400 3dmark6 like Ray and Travis. Then, like Travis, when I want to start getting into the 5500 range, like Abuzar and you, (I started to bitch about the pci-e 4x speed rob then I realized I'd still be on the 8x agp!) I can pop the Asrock and core 2 duo. Yeah one way or another it will be nice to come off the bottom of the graph (and play MOA-Airborne.) -rich
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19. October 2007 @ 16:48 |
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OK, running fill test now. Results soon.
UPDATE: Okay, results:
Single texture fill rate: 5651.6 Megatexels
Multi texture fill rate: 10,662.8 Megatexels
Tests run at 1280x1024 standard settings in 3dmark06.
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harvrdguy
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19. October 2007 @ 20:23 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
MaccerM Mike
Kardson Travis
Abuzar1 Abuzar
Sammorris Sam
Waymon3x6 Ray
Harvrdguy Rich
Sam................... 6755 ........................ E4300-3ghz 2gig.................... x1900xt 512mb
Mike................... 5982......(5600)...........E6320 2.11ghz 2gig................ gecube
Abuzar............... 5448 ......................... E6400-3.44ghz...................... x1900gt 256mb
Travis................ 4499 ..........................P4 3.0 2gigDDR400 .................gecube
Ray................... 4422.......................... P4 3.2 oc'd to 3.75.................. gecube
Rich ................. 2260 ......................... P4 3.2 1gigDDR400 ................ x850xtpe 256mb
Sam, thanks, that's what I thought - 10,600 is roughly where I thought you'd be on fill rate. Hey can we get one of you gecube guys to run the 3dmark6 fill rate test like Sam just did - Mike, Ray or Travis? (I'm thinking the gecube is also around 10,000.) - rich
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19. October 2007 @ 20:38 |
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Hey Ray and Abuzar,
I have those thermaltake copper vram sinks as on Ray's first link. What is the best way to attach them with so they don't fall off like Sam is experiencing? I have AS5, and I also have Thermattach 412 - thermal two-sided tape. I didn't think Arctic Silver 5 would form a bond that would hold something, but I read something a while ago that indicates that it does harden up. Is that true? Or is the thermal tape a stronger way to go?
And finally, what about the tape that comes already attached to the little sinks? Should I just use that, or should I scrape that off and do AS5, or thermattach? What do you think, Sam, about those 3 options? Anybody else?
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19. October 2007 @ 21:19 |
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Just use the tape that's already on it. If you want better conductivity of heat, then use thermal epoxy, thermal grease wont cut it as it will fall off before it gets a chance to harden.
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19. October 2007 @ 21:58 |
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Also update my score. It went up a LITTLE bit when I overclocked my CPU to 3.52 Ghz.
Main Test Results
3DMark Score 5486 3DMarks
SM 2.0 Score 1999 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 2180 Marks
CPU Score 3068 Marks
EDIT: If any of you use DDR2 RAM, this is one of the best stuff out there. You can't beat it for 60 bucks.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820146565
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19. October 2007 @ 22:12 |
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Ok, at the default clocks for the gecube, I got 4410.207 on the fill rate single textures. On the multiple textures, I got 103.22.
This is kinda weird, but usually when I run the "show 3d view" in ATi Tool, the fps will fps around 580, but now I get 147fps. What the hell is going on? I think I will try to reinstall the drivers, but I dont think that's whats causing it...
Any ideas?
EDIT: Nevermind, fixed it by uninstalling and reinstalling atitool.
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harvrdguy
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19. October 2007 @ 22:20 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
MaccerM Mike
Kardson Travis
Abuzar1 Abuzar
Sammorris Sam
Waymon3x6 Ray
Harvrdguy Rich
Sam................... 6755 ........................ E4300-3ghz 2gig.................... x1900xt 512mb
Mike................... 5982......(5600)...........E6320 2.11ghz 2gig................ gecube
Abuzar............... 5486 ......................... E6400-3.44ghz..1gig............... x1900gt 256mb
Travis................ 4499 ..........................P4 3.0 2gigDDR400 .................gecube
Ray................... 4422.......................... P4 3.2 oc'd to 3.75.................. gecube
Rich ................. 2260 ......................... P4 3.2 1gigDDR400 ................ x850xtpe 256mb
Ok Abuzar, your score is updated and I added your Ram - page 35.
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19. October 2007 @ 22:26 |
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So this is how it stands.
MaccerM Mike
Kardson Travis
Abuzar1 Abuzar
Sammorris Sam
Waymon3x6 Ray
Harvrdguy Rich
Sam................... 6755 ........................ E4300-3ghz 2gig.................... x1900xt 512mb
Mike................... 5982......(5600)...........E6320 2.11ghz 2gig................ gecube
Abuzar............... 5486 ......................... E6400-3.52ghz..1gig............... x1900gt 256mb
Travis................ 4499 ..........................P4 3.0 2gigDDR400 .................gecube
Ray................... 4422.......................... P4 3.2 oc'd to 3.75.................. gecube
Rich ................. 2260 ......................... P4 3.2 1gigDDR400 ................ x850xtpe 256mb
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19. October 2007 @ 22:26 |
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Everything you want is in my sig... I'm about to run 3dmark06 soon (tonight) so stay tuned.
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harvrdguy
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19. October 2007 @ 22:28 |
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Ray, thanks. That's a gecube fill rate of 10,300 - close to Sam's rate of 10,600. That's what I have been thinking - the gecube is right up there with Sam's card, and 25% more powerful in raw fill than my x850xtpe, besides all the extra shader stuff.
Hey Abuzar, I'm thinking your $85 GT delivers around a 6900 fill, which is outstanding considering you didn't pay anything for it. Do you wanna run the fill test?
Travis and Mike, you guys feel like confirming Ray's results with your gecubes?
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19. October 2007 @ 22:29 |
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Yeah sure, how do I do it?
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19. October 2007 @ 22:39 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
MaccerM Mike
Kardson Travis
Abuzar1 Abuzar
Sammorris Sam
Waymon3x6 Ray
Harvrdguy Rich
Sam................... 6755 ........................ E4300-3ghz 2gig.................... x1900xt 512mb
Mike................... 5982......(5600)...........E6320 2.11ghz 2gig................ gecube
Abuzar............... 5486 ......................... E6400-3.44ghz..1gig DDR2...... x1900gt 256mb
Travis................ 4499 ..........................P4 3.0 2gigDDR400 .................gecube
Ray................... 4422.......................... P4 3.2 oc'd 3.75..3gigDDR400... gecube
Rich ................. 2260 ......................... P4 3.2 1gigDDR400 ................ x850xtpe 256mb
Sam says it's an option on the 3dmark6 - not the free version but the $20 version (pro.) I'm not in the same building with my gaming computer or I would tell you exactly.
I updated the p35 chart a little bit more with ray's memory. If you're getting 1000mhz, you must be running DDR2, is that right?
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19. October 2007 @ 22:44 |
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Yeah I have DDR2, I can run it at 1075 Mhz too, I just don't because I would have to turn down my CPU.
I'll go download the pro version and let you know. Rich, btw I'm at 3.52 Ghz now not 3.44.
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20. October 2007 @ 04:32 |
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Hey guys, just ran the fill rate test, I got 4463 and 10770. Not sure what relevance clock speed has but it was at 675/702.
Q9550 @ 3.4Ghz-1.275v & TRUE, Asus P5N-T Deluxe, 4Gb Dominator 1066 (5-5-5-15), Inno3d OC 8800GTs in SLi with TT Duorbs, 580w 5.1 Setup, 2x DVD-RAM, 320&160Gb SATA2 HDDs, 17" 3ms Hyundai TFT, 700w Jeantech PSU.
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20. October 2007 @ 12:32 |
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I ran mine at the standard clock speeds, I they're 648/702...
Anyways,I ran 3dmark06 last night, and with my max overclock at 708/855 I got around 4800, which is fairly good for a simple overclock. But, then 3dmark06 randomly quite after, and I didnt have time to post a pic so I will do that all now.
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20. October 2007 @ 13:04 |
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Here is mine:
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20. October 2007 @ 18:13 |
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Damn, why are is the pic so small?
MacerM, how did you get you gpu so high? Did you give it some more juice? Do you get artifacts at that speed?
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harvrdguy
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20. October 2007 @ 22:15 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
MaccerM Mike
Kardson Travis
Abuzar1 Abuzar
Sammorris Sam
Waymon3x6 Ray
Harvrdguy Rich
Sam....................6755..........................E4300-3ghz...........2gig..............x1900xt 512mb
Mike....................5982......(5600)...........E6320 2.11ghz......2gig...............gecube
Abuzar................5486 .........................E6400-3.44ghz.....1gigDDR2........x1900gt 256mb
Ray....................4845...........................P4 3.2 oc'd 3.75....3gigDDR400....gecube
Travis.................4499 ..........................P4 3.0..................2gigDDR400....gecube
Rich...................2260...........................P4 3.2..................1gigDDR400....x850xtpe 256mb
Wow, Ray, you really boosted your 3dmark6 score - I updated the page35 chart!
Your picture is too small because it's only 480 pixels wide - if you have a graphics program, the best width to use in this forum is 760. Any wider than that, the horizontal scroll bar appears, which is a pain. Why don't you expand it and post your picture again at 760 pixels wide.
Mike, thanks for running the fill. That's 10,700, same as Sam. The gecube rocks. Hey, I have a question for all of you guys on these fill numbers. We're all running the fill at the standard 3dmark6 resolution of 1280 x 1024, isn't that right? I am asking because I found out that the fill result is completely dependent on resolution. I found out that my x850xtpe isn't as strong as I thought. It's only bringing in about half the fill numbers that you guys are getting with the gecube, 5600, at the stock resolution. But if I drop the resolution to 1024 x 768, then I get the 8600 I was expecting. So let's make sure we are not changing the default resolution. Is that correct Sam, and Ray?
Abuzar, I posted your memory type to the chart. Hey, Sam and Mike, what kind of memory do you guys have - is Abuzar the only one with DDR2 memory?
Abuzar, yeah, let's see what you get on the fill rate test. Make sure not to change the default 1280 x 1024 resolution. Once you upgrade to the pro version of 3dmark6, you can choose your test. Uncheck the other tests, just check multi-texture fill. It only takes 10 seconds, then hit Details.
Hey, by the way, I don't know if anybody else has ever had this problem: In playing Day of Defeat today, I hooked up my brother's Apple cinema 1600 x 1024 monitor. I've used his monitor before, but never for DOD. Anyway, I couldn't get the game bright enough. The catalyst gamma or brightness settings wouldn't transfer over into the game. The brightness control for the game was maxed, and it was still too dark. I was getting killed - I couldn't see inside the buildings!. Finally I did a google, and downloaded a little 9k exe called gammasutra.exe. Then I set up some hotkeys that work inside the game. It works perfectly. -rich
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20. October 2007 @ 22:18 |
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I ran the test at 1280x1024, default settings, as I stated (I already knew the result depended on the resolution. I think thats because the score is calculated based on frame rate.)
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20. October 2007 @ 22:40 |
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I run all 3dmark06 tests at 1280x1024, or whatever the default is...
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