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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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20. October 2007 @ 22:45 |
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Each time I try to resize the photo in photoshop, it gets super blurry, which I knew would happen. I just dont understand why when I pressed "print screen" and pasted it into paint, that it pasted it at such a low resolution... My screen is running at 1280x960 @ 75 herz I believe...
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20. October 2007 @ 22:50 |
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This is what I got:
6459.542 MTexels/s
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harvrdguy
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20. October 2007 @ 23:33 |
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Ray why don't you try a couple of different things to try to figure out what is going on with your screen shots? It seems to me you should be getting images 1280 x 960 in size.
I am running my non-gaming machine at a desktop resolution of 1024 x 768. When I hit print screen it puts the screen into the windows clipboard. I paste it into paint, and also into photoshop, and save it to the desktop as a jpg. I also go right to clipboard viewer, a windows utility (w98 - I presume also xp - I run dual boot but I'm in w98 right now) and save as a jpg. All of these jpgs are 1024 x 768.
For this forum, scale your 1280 to 760 (of course keep the same aspect ratio so the height scales down also.) Does anybody have any ideas why Ray's print screen function is producing images 480 pixels wide? Wait a second Ray, don't you remember that one time when you posted that giant screen shot! How did you get that one so big?
Abuzar, you get about 6500 fill. That is about what I thought (I was thinking 6900 from charts I had seen - that's more or less the same thing.) So you're basically getting 2/3 the fill as the gecube or as Sam's card, for $85, versus the $670 that Sam spent 1 1/2 years ago, and the $500 that I spent in 2005 for my 5600 fill. Your 3dmark6 score is great - Mike would probably say you're a little overbalanced with stronger cpu than graphics card.
I guess if we're willing to put up with a little bit of pain, (maybe a lot of pain) the Gecube is not a bad deal right now for $230.
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21. October 2007 @ 08:49 |
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Yeah my CPU probably is a bit too powerful. Anyway I bet you I could beat your frame rates in games even when you have that nicer card, if you guys are using a P4.
I might get an 8800 GTX later on...
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harvrdguy
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21. October 2007 @ 17:20 |
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I bet you're right! Let's not wait for me though!
Allright, a new challenge! P4 and faster graphics card versus core 2 duo and slower card!
Ray, we need you!
Hey, I bet Ray is up for that. You can AIM him at his user name. He and Travis got on the same BF2 server a while back and got the same framerates testing omega drivers versus stock catalyst. Since they have the same cpu and same graphics card and almost same 3dmark6 (until Ray just boosted his numbers with some major oc'ing - he was about 4426 before I think) it was a perfect test of the two drivers. They came out about the same, which is what I expected, but kind of a puzzle since for Ray the omega drivers doubled his fps. (There must have been some problem with his catalyst installation.)
Hey Ray, how about meeting up with Abuzar on BF2, and let's see how your faster gecube (10000 fill versus his 6500 fill) compares with his much faster cpu (core 2 duo - faster than Sam's) versus your P4. That will be a great test to see, at least for BF2, how important is the graphics card versus the cpu! If you meet up you can make sure you're both running the same resolution and same settings - don't kill each other before you get the fps numbers :)
Abuzar, do you have BF2? If not, you can get the free demo. Maybe Ray (who has the whole game) will be willing to meet up with you on a demo server.
THE CHALLENGE IS ON: THE NEW MATCHUP!
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21. October 2007 @ 18:02 |
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Sure I'll go for it. How about we post what we get on the HDR and SM2 (or SM3) benches from 3dmark06... Those are where the graphics cards are tested.
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21. October 2007 @ 19:51 |
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SM 2.0 Score 1999 Marks
SM 3.0 Score 2180 Marks
Yeah sure I'm up for it. I don't have the game though so I will have to use the demo.
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21. October 2007 @ 20:32 |
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Oh, not sure if the demo is multiplayer though...
SM2 Score: 2017
HDR/SM3 Score: 2346
Btw guys, I finaly got the print screen thing to work, so I will post a screen shot of 3dmark06 score up here in the next 10-15 minutes.
EDIT: Just remembered I had to do something for school, so I will have to postpone the 3dmark thing till tomarrow.
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21. October 2007 @ 20:59 |
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Haha I have three exams tomorrow so I know what that's like. In fact I should go back to studying...
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22. October 2007 @ 09:09 |
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Rich, don't forget that despite more RAM and the PCI express architecture, I have an older chip design in my card, so a lower fill rate is probably to be expected of me and abuzar's X1900GT. There's got to be something in the number 5 of the X1950.
I have elected to run my card in overclocked mode for a few games now, rather than just for an experiment. Now I've finally got top-quality case fans, I can turn them up beyond 450rpm (read around 900) and my PC is still almost the quietest air cooled PC at a LAN party of 45 or so people. The only reason it's noisy is my WD Raptor. The reason why I'll be running my GPU at its overclocked speed is because I found out I can increase my resolution from 1680x1050 to 1920x1200 in the UT3 demo and get the same frame rate as before. That's quite a big jump, and will come in handy for the big games coming out later on.
With your little 3dmark race, the underdog should really be the Core 2 duo system, since 3dmark cares far more about graphics than your CPU. Ray's score is good evidence of that.
I'm happy at the moment. Despite having a bit of a USB hiccup shortly prior to the event, my PC ran beautifully through the tournaments at FragSoc, and I even came close to winning one of them (UT2004 Instagib). I may have had to be awake for 39 hours with only two hours sleep in the middle, but it was still probably one of the top 10 weekends I've had. I've been to 9 fragsoc events prior, but that's got to be one of the best.
One of the interesting things I noted is that about 5 people now run the Thermalright HR-03 & Ultra 120 combo that I have. The upside of this is that most of the PCs at the event make hardly any noise! Evidently they're really catching on.
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22. October 2007 @ 14:49 |
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You know I was playing half life lost coast and I didn't notice a difference in between 1024*768 and 1600*1200. The quality looked the same. I'll have to try this in other games as I never used to turn it above 1024*758.
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harvrdguy
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22. October 2007 @ 16:14 |
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my PC ran beautifully through the tournaments at FragSoc, and I even came close to winning one of them (UT2004 Instagib).
Nice, Sam!
And your "silent" ways are catching on:
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5 people now run the Thermalright HR-03 & Ultra 120 combo that I have. The upside of this is that most of the PCs at the event make hardly any noise!
I would guess that everybody is wearing headphones at a Lan event like that. What kind do you use - I have the 5.1 Medusa from Germany.
Sam, I'm not too concerned about the 3dmark6 scores, but we're trying to do an fps matchup between Ray and Abuzar, like we did before with Ray and Travis. This time we don't have the same systems.
Ray has a P4 and the gecube, and Abuzar has a really fast core 2 duo with DDR2 memory, and the x1900GT. So Abuzar totally dominates cpu-wise, but his GT is only about 2/3 the fill of the gecube. It will be interesting to get him and Ray on the same server at the same time with the same resolution and other settings and see how the fps compares. Abuzar thinks he'll have the better fps, but I'd like to test that theory out!
By the way, Ray and Abuzar, the demo version of BF2 for sure is multiplayer, because I used to play it quite a bit. I believe it offers just one map, the one with the aircraft carrier off the coast, and the airport with helicopter and jets - including jump jets on the aircraft carrier. I had just learned how to reasonably control the helicopters and jets (damn tricky!) when I stopped playing it - it was taking all of my time lol!
Abuzar, I have always played the Half Life 2 games, including the new Episodes, at 1600 x 1200. They look good. I just tried adding anti-aliasing, and I noticed the improvement in the look of the game - and I was trying it on lost coast. Your GT is about 20% stronger than my x850xtpe apparently from the fill tests, so 1600 x 1200 should work well for you, especially with your monster cpu. By the way, Episode 2 is out, I think, does anybody have it?
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22. October 2007 @ 16:57 |
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I know but I was just saying I didn't notice much of a difference. I'll download that demo in a bit. Playing Bioshock right now lol.
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22. October 2007 @ 17:01 |
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I have EP2, but I only had EP1 before..
So now I'm playing through HL2 before progressing onto EP2
Never argue with an idiot. They drag you down to their level, then beat you with experience.
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22. October 2007 @ 17:43 |
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Abuzar: I ran it at 2560x1600 and it looked superb. I've yet to play any game where I can't notice a change in resolution. 1680x1050 to 1920x1200 isn't usually too easy, but I've always spotted it.
Rich: Hmm, considering everybody that had recently required an HR-03 hadn't even met me until then, I can't take the credit!
For frame rate in games, I think the AGP card will come out on top, especially at higher resolutions, but for some, the Core 2 will win out, where CPU takes effect.
Note that the CPU should not matter for increasing resolutions.
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22. October 2007 @ 18:10 |
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I just tried out Bioshock with the omega drivers and the frame rates seemed about 5-6 fps worse. Gonna have to switch back to the ATI drivers.
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22. October 2007 @ 18:13 |
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Can happen sometimes...
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22. October 2007 @ 18:20 |
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Hmm, I wonder why. Sometimes ATi makes drivers that are actually good, but most of the time the drivers make your card perform worse. I guess its a guessing game as to which ones work well and dont work well.
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22. October 2007 @ 18:23 |
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I've never had any performance issues with catalyst, so I stick with it.
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harvrdguy
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22. October 2007 @ 18:33 |
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Wow Sam, your resolutions are high!! My brother's cinema I'm using only maxes at 1600 x 1024 - you're running 250% more pixels. What do they want for the Dell monitor of yours these days!
I hear you Sam: for high resolutions, it's strictly the graphics card, cpu doesn't matter. That's good to know. By the way, what kind of headphones do you use?
Yeah, Abuzar, the omega helped Ray on BF2, but when he and Travis had the matchup on same BF2 server, their fps numbers were the same, and Travis is on stock ati drivers (but without catalyst I recall.) So, no definitive results on which set of drivers is best.
Kardson, yeah, you need to play through half life 2 before you can appreciate the episodes. Hey, Travis, want to do something funny? Watch the credits roll in the very beginning of HL2 at the train station, until you get to Miles Estes, my close relative. I play tested HL2 on the big plasma screen in the conference room up there at Valve in Seattle when I was visiting Miles, for his surprise birthday party, before HL2 came out, in Sept. of 2003? 2004? That makes me hot sh*t right? LOL! -rich estes
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22. October 2007 @ 18:55 |
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22. October 2007 @ 18:58 |
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What is the Cinema?
EDIT: Is it the Mac monitor? I don't really think apple makes quality products.
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22. October 2007 @ 19:09 |
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I hope that wasn't in response to my post. Should I have written the Dell in capitals?
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22. October 2007 @ 19:53 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
Wow Sam, your resolutions are high!! My brother's cinema I'm using only maxes at 1600 x 1024 - you're running 250% more pixels. What do they want for the Dell monitor of yours these days!
No not talking about you Sam lol.
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22. October 2007 @ 20:52 |
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