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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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19. March 2008 @ 13:06 |
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I am guessing around 3.8, plus or minus. I dont set specific voltages except for when overclocking to 4ghz. In conditions where the CPU is at 3.0Ghz, 3.2 etc, I leave the voltage to "auto", and if I remember correctly the voltage is at 1.38 when at 3.2Ghz I believe...
These are all guesses though, I cant do to much with the PC until I get that part and fill the loop back up with coolant.
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19. March 2008 @ 13:08 |
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It is indeed non-conductive, it's distilled water plus a number of other fluids that cause issues. I'm well aware the fluid doesn't cause any direct damage from water, but as I say, the compounds that prevent algae build up, corrosion and galvanisation leave a mess behind when they dry, and if they dry over conductive joints or in PCI express slots, it's game over.
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19. March 2008 @ 13:30 |
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If some spilled on to other components (by chance) do you think they would've evaporated 100% in a week?
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19. March 2008 @ 13:38 |
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19. March 2008 @ 13:45 |
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Ray and Sam, I can get 3.6 Ghz stable on 1.5v. Why don't you try what's the best you can do with 1.5v.
Core2Kid, this is the video card thread. You will probably get more answers in the PC building thread. But since you already posted, I would recommend you spend 20 bucks extra and get a Pentium dual core.
Why not overclock? It's amazingly easy with the Core 2 CPUs.
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19. March 2008 @ 13:54 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Ray and Sam, I can get 3.6 Ghz stable on 1.5v. Why don't you try what's the best you can do with 1.5v.
Core2Kid, this is the video card thread. You will probably get more answers in the PC building thread. But since you already posted, I would recommend you spend 20 bucks extra and get a Pentium dual core.
Why not overclock? It's amazingly easy with the Core 2 CPUs.
I need something cheap and reliable. My uncle is having a $$ problem. And are the Pentium Dual Cores (Not Pentium D right?) actually better than the AMD x2 4000? I also will post in the building section.
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19. March 2008 @ 13:58 |
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Ray and Sam, I can get 3.6 Ghz stable on 1.5v. Why don't you try what's the best you can do with 1.5v.
I suppose all CPUs are different. Just check out the QX9650 - they're getting to 4.5Ghz on 1.57v - thats insane! No wonder why those things run so cool... But then again the Q6600 aint a $1000 processor.
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19. March 2008 @ 14:02 |
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Ray, that's why I want you to see what you can do on your CPU. Just to get a general idea of comparable performance.
Core2Kid, they are about the same at stock speed. The thing is that the Pentium Dual Core(it's a variation of Core 2 Duo, not Pentium D) can overclock to 3Ghz without a problem and there won't be any stability issues. Then it gets MUCH faster.
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19. March 2008 @ 14:03 |
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Waymon: As I say, the chemicals in the water stick around after the water's evaporated, that's what you've got to be careful of. Your speedy cleanup may have helped you out, in my friend's case the stuff was left for a day before the proper cleaning operation began.
Abuzar: I need my CPU to last for quite a long time, I so stick with 1.4V as my limit. I figure that upping my 100mV isn't going to gain me much judging from what i've seen other people get E4300s to.
Core2kid: I agree with your apprehensions about that first board, but I wouldn't say the Biostar is much better. Sure, Russ had good runs with a particular Biostar board, but on the whole I don't think they're that wonderful. You'd be much better off as Abuzar suggests and getting a Pentium Dual Core, now they're so cheap. The E2160 is only $10 more than the 4000+, and faster stock to boot. Plus, as we say, overclock for easy win. The RAM looks mediocre but it will get the job done for a normal system. The hard disk is great, the PSu is fine, the case is ok too.
Go with a board like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128079
and a graphics card like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102103
At stock, the E2160 is about as fast as an X2 4200+ or a Pentium D overclocked to around 3.8Ghz.
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19. March 2008 @ 14:15 |
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So sam, do you think it will matter much when I fill the loop back up?
Does the stuff that's left behind turn to a solid or stay as a liquid? So far, from what I can see everything is still a liquid.
For cleaning, I have heard of people using viniger (I think that how you spell it lol) and distilled water. I have about 2 liters of distilled water left, but what else should I use if I were to clean it?
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19. March 2008 @ 14:18 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Core2kid: I agree with your apprehensions about that first board, but I wouldn't say the Biostar is much better. Sure, Russ had good runs with a particular Biostar board, but on the whole I don't think they're that wonderful. You'd be much better off as Abuzar suggests and getting a Pentium Dual Core, now they're so cheap. The E2160 is only $10 more than the 4000+, and faster stock to boot. Plus, as we say, overclock for easy win. The RAM looks mediocre but it will get the job done for a normal system. The hard disk is great, the PSu is fine, the case is ok too.
Go with a board like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128079
and a graphics card like this:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102103
At stock, the E2160 is about as fast as an X2 4200+ or a Pentium D overclocked to around 3.8Ghz.
Ill look into the other processor and as for the video card, I think I'll just go with the integrated. How is overclocking on the board you sent me with teh processor you sent me with stock cooling?
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19. March 2008 @ 14:26 |
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Most coolants dry to leave a residue, this will always happen if there's anything but water in the solution, which there almost certainly will be!
It's Vinegar, by the way... I assume you've never used the stuff?
As for cleaning mobos with it, not sure whether I'd trust it, but hey. A thorough rinse-down and clean with distilled water should do the trick on its own. Use a non-lint, non-staticy cloth to help you out.
Core2kid: The overclocking on boards that low down in the spec is unfortunately poor. You'll need to spend a significant amount more on a board to get one that overclocks to a useful degree, and the only boards that overclock are ones without onboard video, because onboard video chips can't handle FSB increases. This is one of the cheapest good overclocking boards I know of:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128062R
Sadly it's no longer sold in the US new.
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19. March 2008 @ 14:35 |
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Sam, I was actually talking to Ray because we have the same CPU.
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19. March 2008 @ 14:50 |
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well I beg your pardon, but you know...
Originally posted by Abuzar1:
Ray and Sam, I can get 3.6 Ghz stable on 1.5v. Why don't you try what's the best you can do with 1.5v.
you did address both of us...
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19. March 2008 @ 14:50 |
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Thanks a lot Sam. I'll look into this and probably create a new thread in Building PCs if I have any more questions.
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19. March 2008 @ 15:22 |
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Sure thing. Best of luck with the new build...
OK, I have a question, primarily directed at Waymon, but anybody else who feels they can chip in, please go ahead.
I'm rapidly growing tired of having to drop detail level in games to be able to run them at 2560x1600, but I still want to stick with using a 3870 because of the image quality, and because I actually own two of them. The other's still in its box - I think you can see where this is leading.
What's my best option for a good board that can take care of crossfire, carry on my 75% overclock for my Duo, support new 45nm CPUs ideally without needing a future BIOS flash, and will work with my Thermalright Ultra-120A without needing chipset cooling modifications?
I'm currently thinking the Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P for obvious reasons. Is that OK, or is there anything more suitable? Note: I'm not willing to shell out big time on a motherboard, I want this process to be cheap!
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19. March 2008 @ 16:10 |
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Well that board has a PCI-e 16x slot, and a PCI-e 4x slot so you will be limited, although I am not to sure how much... Also, the P35 chipset is old, how about a X38?
How about a GIGABYTE GA-X38-DS4? I saw a review in PC Gamer, and it looked pretty good. It has 2 PCI-e 2.0 slots (not that that would make much of a difference from 16x) and a X38 NB...
I am not to sure of the price though. On newegg it's listed as $185USD but that's for an open boxed model.
Do you prefer Gigabyte models? Or any other brands?
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19. March 2008 @ 16:22 |
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I've no real objections to going with an Asus board again, but the after-sales support is a bit daunting if it fails after the 12 month retail warranty expires. Since both the Asus boards I've had that failed prematurely had nforce chipsets and failed due to the chipset IC going bad, I'm not putting Asus too much in the hot spot for that. The Gigabyte DS4 would be nice, but it's £105, and it also has a cooling system that I'm thinking might interfere with my cooler. The DS3P is only £85. You have to bear in mind that I'm nearly flat broke right now, and I'm only doing this because my second 3870 has already lost a third of its value and I refuse to sell something and lose that much when it's never been used, so I'm not willing to fork out much for this. (I can't afford £85 for a mobo as it is, I'm relying on selling my old one to make up the difference). I'll also have to put off my PSU change if I do this too, primarily because going with two cards means I'll want an HX620 or TX650, and they're also too much money. Sigh, if I knew I had a secure summer job like the last few years I wouldn't be worried, I'd just make up the difference in July, but this time round the council are being cagey about whether they'll give me the job or not because of budget cuts.
What sort of performance loss will I get with using the second card in a 4x slot?
Addendum: I spotted a benchmark using the Asus P5K board which showed impressive results. How does the p5K compare to the P35-DS3P?
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19. March 2008 @ 16:28 |
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Could you sell both of your 3870s for a 3870x2? That way you wont have to upgrade your board with one that has 2 PCI-e slots.
I am not sure how much of a performance decrease there would be in putting a 3870 in a 4x slot... Sorry sam.
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19. March 2008 @ 16:31 |
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I'm not selling one card because I'd lose too much, so I'm definitely not selling two!
Also, I don't want to use a 3870X2, because for one it's really loud and will get very hot even with a Thermalright cooler, and for two you can't disable the second card, so the power consumption is through the roof.
Hmm, I found this:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Gigabyte-GA-P35-DS...1QQcmdZViewItem
Will that do?
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19. March 2008 @ 16:52 |
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It looks good, but from my understanding the second PCI-e slot works at 4x when 2 cards are in there.
I think all P35 boards that are CF compatible have 1 slot that's 16x and the other that's 4x.
You can get, but I am not sure how much you will bottleneck it with the slower speed PCI-e slot.
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19. March 2008 @ 17:18 |
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The gains I've seen using the 4x speed look no different to those using a board that can run the second slot at 16x. After all, an X1900XT-X can run at 2x and still pull 90% of its frame rate...
Sigh, going to have to RMA my Sapphire card before I can do this though, turns out that the reason it didn't work in my server is because it no longer works at all!
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19. March 2008 @ 17:20 |
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Sorry about that Sam.
Anyway from what I've seen a 4x slot actually does affect framerates a lot. I think there was something at THG.
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19. March 2008 @ 18:49 |
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I'm not sure if this will happen, but suppose I have a bit more to spend, such as if I use a BuyNowPayLater system - after all, I'll have a reasonable amount to spend in 8 months or so's time...
If this scenario happens, what board should I be looking at that offers me everything I listed previously, but with a pair of 16x lanes?
The GA-X38-DQ6 looks nice, but I'll have to remove half the chipset cooling to make that work. Then again I suppose I could always use a chipset cooler like a Noctua or HR-05...
Hmm, what are your thoughts on this one?
http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduc...B-110-GI&tool=3
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19. March 2008 @ 19:17 |
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Looks better, I like the X38 and PCI-e 16x slots... That's what I was mainly looking for.
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