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Video Card Thread (Mostly Gecube x1950xt)
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29. July 2008 @ 08:33 |
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29. July 2008 @ 10:05 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
4850cf> GTX280
depends on the mobo.
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harvrdguy
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29. July 2008 @ 15:55 |
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Dinc has a point about complexity - "you have to drag yourself through ICT school just to play video games" Haha! Good point. Well said. I've got a relative - hardcore Mac guy - who said onetime when we were trying to hook up a PC to his apple airport - "This is ridiculous, you have to know too much to own a PC!"
But, nobody said you had to build the PC yourself - there are guys like my buddy Mo and plenty of others who build systems for people. One of his clients paid $4000 for him to build a state-of-the-art system about 9 months ago, sli ultras, core 2 or quad core - fastest cpu (around $800 I think he said, just the cpu) monstrous psu, 10000 rpms sata drives, blah blah. The guy reported back to Mo - "nobody can keep up with my system."
But if you want to save money - if you want to get in there and customize it, well yeah, in that situation, you need some knowledge! It's like driving a car or a motorcycle. There are guys who just drive - and there are other guys who get in there and tear into the machinery and customize, and/or repair. Some people actually think it's fun to be the master of the PC - others think it's way too much frustration.
Then there's boozer with 15 rounds per clip, who thinks . . . on second thought, whatever Mr. Abuzar, Sir, thinks is fine with me - "just point that thing in another direction, will ya!"
Rich :D
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29. July 2008 @ 16:35 |
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Yeah, but just wait until the guy that bought that big fat computer his system crashed, while he doesn't know much about software, he'll be back at no computer again.
But then again, he'll just grow some more dollars and let someone else fix it...
But the thing is, you might have to know some stuff about hardware, like the specifications and all.
Which is personally still the easiest part, I don't have much of a problem with the physical stuff and the hardware.
Only then comes the even harder part, all the fiddling and getting to work everything through the software.
It's a true b*tch and should just be automated a lot more.
It probably will, because everyone wants automating, just saves a lot of hassle and especially time.
I can't wait until I can just shove in a GPU I bought and the OS will just calculate through all the versions of softwares and hardwares what drivers it needs and just go ahead to download and install them.
Just like for example Windows Update does or whatever is like that.
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29. July 2008 @ 20:25 |
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Haha, sure I will keep it pointed away from you Rich.
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harvrdguy
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29. July 2008 @ 22:19 |
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Yeah, seriously dude, point it the other way. Each clip holds 15 rounds - bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang! bang!
Damn! That's like Alyx with her inexhaustible supply! Fiddy caught 7 - but if the shooter dude had had your clip - we wouldn't be singing "Go shorty .. it's your birffday!"
Are the clips reliable? - do they ever jam with all that ammo? Must have really good springs. Have you ever just pumped out all 15 at a target as fast as you could squeeze the trigger - just for the hell of it? Come on, fess up. Surely you've done that at least once when your dad wasn't around. Lol Did you hit anything? :P
But you're mostly a rifle guy. And you use AK-47 ammo. From what I recall from Counter-Strike, the AK is POWERFUL! So is it true? Are those bullets a high-load type, you know, like a magnum? How do they compare to regular 30/30?
Oh, and if you're ever mad at me, I apologize right now, up front, you've got it all wrong bro - total misunderstanding! :D
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29. July 2008 @ 22:52 |
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I'm sorry did I say .308 Winchester before. lol I meant the 7.62x39mm round is about the same as a .30-30. At a distance it has more velocity and accuracy than the .30-30.
And no I have blazed away with that pistol. They frown upon that at the range lol.
And yes the AK-47 ammo(7.62x39mm) round is QUITE powerful. More than enough to kill humans. It can take down medium to large-medium sized game. Not big game. It can still punch a hole through a thick concrete wall.
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harvrdguy
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30. July 2008 @ 00:52 |
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You blazed away!! Bang! Bang! Bang! ...... 15 times! They frown on that at the range. Hahaha! Well let them frown a little. "Don't point that thing at me kid!"
That's just funny as hell to imagine you blazing away and the guys who run the range are scowling - "f**king kid think's he's wild bill hickock!"
Hahahaha! So like I say, did you shred the target? Were you pretty close? Did you get them all near the bullseye?
No all kidding aside, if you have that much fire power, and you are ever going to need to use most of them to stop some mad, drug-crazed rapist, then you have to be able to blaze away accurately, and that takes practice - screw those guys who run the range - they don't know anything about that wild neighbor of yours, named shaffaaf, I mean, dinc. LOL
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30. July 2008 @ 00:55 |
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lol
THAT WAS A TYPO!!! LOL
I meant I have NEVER blazed away. Hell dude, It's bad enough I'm one brown dude shooting alongside a bunch of rednecks. I'm freaking scared to piss them off.
P.S. I practice shooting so I can hunt better. That's why I'm a rifle kinda guy. A pistol has no place in hunting.
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30. July 2008 @ 01:05 |
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I have to cross-pollinate this thread from that other thread just this once - estuansis put up the most gorgeous screenie I have ever laid my eyes on, and I don't care about my shots anymore. The gaming rig gets turned on for gaming Wednesday, and maybe I'll find this idyllic location:
"The combine is on the march, the portal is opening, the missile needs the codes. Screw that. I'm going to float my raft down this here stream, like Mark Twain, and that high-falutin' stuff can just all go to hell in a handbasket."
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30. July 2008 @ 01:08 |
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Hey, dont you DARE put this thread back on topic. Seriously this thread is so redundant by this point, this is the official "safety valve" of the PC Building forums!
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harvrdguy
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30. July 2008 @ 01:21 |
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Well THAT's even funnier, a brown guy shooting alongside a bunch of rednecks. I'm telling you what dude, just go down the line to the ones on each side, and ask them if they mind if you unload the whole clip -
- tell them you have to test the gun for jamming in case you even get in a really tight spot and YOU HAVE TO UNLOAD ON A REDNECK!
No! No! Don't say that. Seriously, I swear dude, I know rednecks, and if you ask them politely they'll not only say yes, but they'll get everybody to cheer you on. It's all in the approach.
"The clip holds 15 rounds, but we've heard that it could jam, we want to see if this gun does that - do you mind motherf**ker?" LOL ....(that's it - i'm banned)
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30. July 2008 @ 01:24 |
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I wouldn't know On-Topic if it slapped me alongside the head!
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30. July 2008 @ 15:58 |
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You'd choose a GTX280 over two 4870s, even though even one 4870 beats it half the time.. A curious decision.
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30. July 2008 @ 16:09 |
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Are you talking to me? I'm kinda confused.
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30. July 2008 @ 16:12 |
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No, shaffaaf. Sorry, should have made that one clear.
My my, what have you guys done to this thread in my absence? lol
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30. July 2008 @ 16:35 |
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yes sam i would, and no i dont believe that the 4870 beats the GTX280 in half the games. id say it beats it in a few, and comes within about 80% of the others, that is ofcourse untill you get to 2560x1600 with lots of AA and AF wehre the gap increaces. but i am not denying that two of them wont whoop it. 2 4870s will no doubt destroy it, and two 4850s were the ones i was thinking of.
the point i was making was that in a new build id go for 2 4850s (THE HIS ICEQ4 ONES :D) BUT for me upgrading, over 2 4850s id get one GTX280 as i wouldnt need to upgrade my mobo, which would cost more, and need a re-installation of the OS etc etc.
yes i can get one 4870 instead, BUT IF i have £270, id rather go with one GTX280 over it.
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30. July 2008 @ 16:39 |
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£100 extra is a lot for between minus a few percent and 20% extra performance, given how cheap decent cards are today. If you don't want the faff of crossfire and play nothing but Crysis, blowing it all on a card like the 280 perhaps makes sense, but for anyone who wants to try dual graphics, the 4850s have it sewn up really, and if they don't, 4870 time. I genuinely don't think the GTX200 series is defensible at its current price.
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30. July 2008 @ 16:51 |
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see i really wanna be an ATI fanboy for this series, but realistically, id need crossifre 4850s, or one 4870. the 4850s in crossfire is what i would go for, had i a p45/x38/x48 mobo, but seeing as i have a p35, thats out of it.
next its between the £170 4870 and £270 GTX280.
yes your right its not worth a hundred, but in the games i play so far, its beating the 4870 quite a lot (at 1920x1200) but seeing as i will most likely upgrade my gfx card within a year, and i doubt anything will tax as much as crysis, the 4870 HIS ICEQ4 will be for me.
but originally, it was a thing that xfire 4850s or GTX280. and between them, IF you had a P35, wouldnt you go for the GTX280?
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30. July 2008 @ 16:56 |
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I don't see why anyone HAS to be a fanboy of anything.
It's about if a single product works for you or not isn't it?
I could almost call myself an nVidia-fanboy.
But that's only because I'm more comfortable with their products.
Since I never got any ATi-card to work.
And that's not just about the GeCube-thing, I've had more cards.
Still one upstairs in an even older computer that I can't control.
It's in there with a driver, I can't get into the controls, stupid thing.
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30. July 2008 @ 16:57 |
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I wouldn't. Let's see, at your res (maxed out, that's what these cards are for)
COD4: HD4870: 69, GTX280: 69 - no gain there
HL2E2: HD4870: 80, GTX280: 93 - would you be able to tell the difference?
ETQW: HD4870: 95, GTX280: 104 - see above...
Crysis, high: HD4870: 27, GTX280: 30 - £100 worth of difference? hardly
Crysis, VH: HD4870: 19, GTX280: 20 - even less significance
Assassins Creed: HD4870: 42, GTX280: 37.
GRID: HD4870: 80, GTX280: 68.
I'd say that's a reasonable cross section of current games. Would you fork out all that extra money on those results? Crysis on high at 10% better is the best the card can do. The fact of the matter is, if you run 1920x1200, the cards are too closely matched, and if you run 2560x1600, you'd be mad not to have a high end board anyway, that's basically the long and short of it. I'd have my reservations but be understanding if perhaps the GTX280 was 10-15% better in all games, but as it is, it's not worth any extra money, let alone £100.
DInc: even only a few months ago, ATI drivers were poor, no argument. Now, however, they're pretty solid, and software is no longer an excuse not to buy either competitor's products. Performance per pound, however, is.
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30. July 2008 @ 17:07 |
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where are you pulling these numbers from? becuase reading reviews in the last 2 days dont agree fully with what you have said.
btu as i said, in my situation CF 4850s vs GTX280, and the GTX280 wins due to a need for the mobo upgrade, BUT i am getting a 4870 HIS ICEQ4 (my god they look sexy) lets look at it again:
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30. July 2008 @ 17:08 |
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30. July 2008 @ 17:10 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
DInc: even only a few months ago, ATI drivers were poor, no argument. Now, however, they're pretty solid, and software is no longer an excuse not to buy either competitor's products. Performance per pound, however, is.
Ooo, well good to hear, they better keep improving stuff. :P
It's not that I wouldn't try some of the later products.
But I've never had a card by ATi really work, it's ridiculous. :S
So I would be kinda hesitant to just buy anything.
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30. July 2008 @ 17:11 |
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that is the 4850 version, i should have said.
and its meant to be $225, so thats about £135-£140
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