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CPU FAN/heatsink SUGGESTION?? socket type 478
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tripplite
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20. January 2008 @ 14:13 |
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im upgrading an older computer to a Pentium 4 3.0 ghz 1mb cache 800mhz bus speed
am really lost here and i want a good product so any advice on the topic or product suggestions would be nice!!
my budget for the fan/heat sink is 30 dollars, i want the temperature to maintain at at least 30 Celsius during a normal usage, not to noise but it doesn't need to be dead silent and of course a good life span
also i really don't care but it would be nice if it has speed control whether through software or a physical switch
does anyone have any suggestions
btw: i heard about thermal glue or sealant you put between the heat sink and processor, does it really help? does it make a difference, and from what i figure what happens if there is a gap in the glue, wont that create a "hot spot" or something
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phill2000
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20. January 2008 @ 16:56 |
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Hi,
The thermaltake socket 478 HSF's were always a favourite of mine. They offered great thermal reduction, and ease of install, yet some were a little noisy. The Zalman's always provided reliable performance too.
With regards to the thermal paste / glue, you wouldn't go wrong with Arctic silver III, IV, V or the ceramique (although the latter is usually used for things like GPU,s / RAM).
Yeah your right about the gaps in it creating hot spots, however if you ensure the HSF has all it's thermal paste removed, and that both surfaces are clean, and if they are rough, slightly smoothed down. This can be done with wet / dry abrasive paper, and take your time!! (and don't try to use this on your CPU).
As long as you dont use too much thermal paste when you mount the CPU / HSF, and spread it evenly first using something like an old credit / bank card, then you should be fine.
I would also wonder if getting either a P4 Prescott / Northwood to 30 degrees C, is actually something that can be achieved easily? These chips were notorious for getting hot.
Let us know how you get on.
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tripplite
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20. January 2008 @ 18:25 |
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well they shouldn't even need fans, OEM are supposed to be used with just heat sinks, but we know thats not the case
Prescott- oh hell NO, cedar mills all the way , it was the last installment and is quite recent,ahhh maybe not..... i consider early 2006 recent anyway
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Tends to run Hot 60 to 80 degrees Celsius unless the fan is on full 12 volt speed (Then it's rather cool)
i dont want it to ever hit 80, but i guess 30 is a bit to high, maybe between 40-50,
What is the unit of measurement they used to measure sound was it dBA?
i wax rolling the dice on thermaltake too, but i needed a confirmation and im going with the brand, i've never used anything from zalman, im hesitant there products seem well priced but they are to flashy for me, there designs seem to made for an idiot who like shiny object(WEEEE), so my question are zalmans a good buy??
btw i haven't used a northwood core yet(p4)??, what benefits do they have from the others
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phill2000
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20. January 2008 @ 18:46 |
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Originally posted by tripplite:
well they shouldn't even need fans, OEM are supposed to be used with just heat sinks, but we know thats not the case
I've never known a CPU being used without a fan since the era of 468's!
Originally posted by tripplite:
Prescott- oh hell NO, cedar mills all the way , it was the last installment and is quite recent,ahhh maybe not..... i consider early 2006 recent anyway
So would I, the 65nm process saw the P4 waste a lot less heat than any other P4 (which wasn't diffficult since they all ran hot).
Originally posted by tripplite:
i've never used anything from zalman, im hesitant there products seem well priced but they are to flashy for me, there designs seem to made for an idiot who like shiny object(WEEEE), so my question are zalmans a good buy??
Zalman are indeed a good buy. Some of their products seem excessive, large and shiny, but shiny emits more heat (which makes a better radiator, therfore a better HS), being large does the same, and it also means the extra heat they disipate requires less cooling from a noisy fan. So they can be very quiet too. So my answer is, yes....Zalman's are a good buy.
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btw i haven't used a northwood core yet(p4)??, what benefits do they have from the others
In order of preference (in terms of heat output):-
i) Cedar Mill (65nm process)
ii) Northwood (130nm process)
iii) Prescott (90nm process)
iv) Willamite (180nm process)
Surprising really considering the Prescott used a 90nm process that it produced more heat than its predecessor. The only benefit the Northwood provided was its lower heat output.
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k0k0m0
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21. January 2008 @ 06:18 |
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I've changed my old cooler fan (Intel's original) for a new Titan (www.cd-titan.com.tw) and replaced thermal grease for brand new one.
I've got a P4 2.8Ghz and before I was working at 72C almost everyday, now managed to stabilize it on a 57-61C range.
Something a bit trivial is to vac your cooler fan from time to time, a friend of mine has suggested this to me and told me that dust makes heat dissipation more difficult.
Good luck
I logged in on March 1st 2005, and it's incredible to believe that in so short time I've learnt all that I know about DVDs from this forum...
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tripplite
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21. January 2008 @ 09:19 |
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Something a bit trivial is to vac your cooler fan from time to time, a friend of mine has suggested this to me and told me that dust makes heat dissipation more difficult.
ohh ya, you just gotta make sure when you vacuum it you pin down the fan, or elss the vacuum will spin (wrong direction!!!)
something i'll keep in mind
thanx
the cpu im doing upgrades to constantly needs vacuuming or the psu will shut down,
but in all my years my favorite pc case was the dell dimension 4000 series and all of its branches, the cases dont let in a spec of dust, they circulate well, and have room for expansion, however day by day they keep getting more and more out of date and so i must say good bye
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The strong silent type - Pentium 4 processing power without Fans!
to this day retailers and intel will tell you fans are unneeded, bullsh*T
as for titan people and reviews are always saying there great, to my down fall i had a titan with a extreme core processor, it went DOA in the middle of unreal tournament, thanks to the titan who decided to turn himself off, apparently it was a faulty pin but i doubt it
on another note, i have standard psu (gpu, upsu) should i upgrade it?
also if a fan company says "For Intel P4 Northwood" could i have cedar mill on it and would it make a difference??, same slot type (478), same ghz, the only variable i see is the voltage difference?
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tripplite
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31. January 2008 @ 21:53 |
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another thing thats been bothering me, if i get a fan for a socket type 478 is it possible that at boot the bios will reject it(wtf)? i have herd that some dell fans can't be replaced with just a fan designed for the socket?
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phill2000
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2. February 2008 @ 12:38 |
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If your HSF was deisgned for P4 Northwood, it will work well with the Cedarwood. The CPU casings are close to identical on both Northwood and Cedarwood. The added benefit being the Cedarwood run cooler, and use less power (being a 65nm process).
I can't see your HSF being rejected by the motherbaord. I have never heard of this before.
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tripplite
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4. February 2008 @ 16:53 |
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ya i just found the digg on that story, my bios A02 has never reported any issues with processor replacements so it should be good, i guess rumors are rumors ehh!
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phill2000
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5. February 2008 @ 17:22 |
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Defo!
Well let us know how you get on ;o)
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tripplite
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29. March 2008 @ 13:17 |
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phill2000- THANKS i for to come back and say so, everything is sorted out now:)
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ddp
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29. March 2008 @ 13:32 |
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k0k0m0, you might have a sensor problem with yours because of your high readings. are thoes temps from the bios or what?
tripplite, what board or computer are you upgrading?
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tripplite
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29. March 2008 @ 18:07 |
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tripplite, what board or computer are you upgrading?
dont worry about it all my woes have been solved:)
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