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MY DVD RANT!
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tusken
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28. December 2003 @ 00:57 |
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Just a guy trying to burn some DVD's, have some fun and it seems like a big pain in the a** to me. Need this, Need that, can't do this, can't do that, 10,000 different programs, DVD+, DVD-, DVD-ram ,need this version of that version, can't use this brand with that brand , need this brand burner with this brand disc,4 gig barrier,PAL ,NSTS or whatever it is. Pioneer,Sony,BusLink,My-mama, SHRANK,SRINK,DINK,DANK!4.7 really 4.3qwsdefd,VOB files,pass out on the tiles, compress ,depressed, re-author ,en-code, I need to hit the comode,lazers wear out, drinking gives me the gout. I need simple! Put source disc in one tray, blank in another and burn and watch. DAM I FEEL GOOD NOW! Really doing this is like a full time job.{{{{SCREAMED))))I'm going to BlockBuster! Where's MY PROZAC!!!
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pcshateme
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28. December 2003 @ 11:31 |
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i agree, its realy annoying, but the easiest and best program (and its free,) is DVD Shrink, just pop it in, and let it auto shrink it, then burn the folder it gives you as data- wish i'd have known that a few months ago, would have saved me a few coasters
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28. December 2003 @ 11:50 |
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It is true isnt it. Maybe I freaked out on the thread a bit and apolgize but damn I'm not a PC Guru ! The more I look into burning DVD movies the more I feel that PC DVD burning at home still is not perfected for average user(user friendly) and I understand people get off on doing this stuff and it is a challenge.When I starting to get into DVD burning I thought I have to read up on a topic here and there. I don't know anyone that burns so have no physical help. I didnt know starting from scratch was going to be a nightmare. I was just reading a site where guys are trying to convert (flash) a LITEON DVD+r only burner to do both formats and everyone is agruing about how to do it. Some ruining $100.00+ DVD drives they just purchased in 5 minutes. Point is sometimes we try to do to much to fast. I'm know for a fact DVD burning is not user friendly and maybe some like to keep it that way.
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28. December 2003 @ 15:24 |
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It isn't really as hard as it may seem at first. I figured it out pretty quick which is powerful testimony that you can too! Your first post indicates you've done a bit of reading on the subject which is great, but don't let it overwhelm you. get a rewritable disc, and just work out the kinks as you go. It's never been easier - just ask some of the old salts here what they used to have to go through! Good luck.
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28. December 2003 @ 17:43 |
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I should explain more. Since I started learning how to burn DVD's, I Purchased a DVD+ -R drive, a DVD-R, DVD+R compatible stand alone player,upgarde my memory from 128 mb to 512 mb (for a descent burn time),Purchase Windows OS that doesnt have 4 gig file barrier(went from 98SE to Windows XP),Wasted $40.00 on a useless program i won't name, wasted countless hrs using USELESS software trail programs that promise the world and suck,spend nights reading thread after thread! Can I burn a DVD now YES was it easy and user friendly absolutely NOT. All the software makers out there brag how easy it is to burn a DVD (they leave out all the fine print). Many people don't have a lot of cash or time to burn, so one thing left out of this website/forum (which is incredible,I thank everyone for thier help) is you are going to spend money and time learning how to do this. Now if I had $1,500 to go out and buy a new system things would have been much easier, but I still wouldnt have knowledge of burning the disc! So looking at it from a middle class stand point it is not easy making your own DVD's from having right equipment to knowledge. Hell, if I was rich I have someone do it for me.lol Thanks to all that help me spend all my money. lol PS the sad part as far as DVD software the best stuff is FREE!GO FIGURE!
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29. December 2003 @ 07:49 |
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It is definitely ironic that the best is free! I bought DVDXCopy before I ever knew about DVD Shrink, DVDDecrypter etc. It hasn't been on my PC for quite awhile now. It took me literally a year to build my current PC - I'm not rolling in dough either.
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"And there we saw the giants, and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight" - Numbers 13:33
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29. December 2003 @ 18:48 |
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Yep , I bought DVD Xcopy gold when the guy at circus city said it would solve all my problems. I ended up here after going to 321's website so I guess I owe them that. I have updated my $120.00 program more than I have used it. When I first installed it, I would click on the desktop icon, the 321 window would appear for 5 seconds, and then vanish. Then my computer would lock up. I'd get pissed cause the keyboard wouldn't work and end up yanking the plug out of the wall! Easy to use my ass!
If you want to enjoy burning your DVD try the barbeque program (with hickory chips for a smokey flavor), if you enjoy special effects use the microwave program.
They burn better with labels!
Best wishes,
Frank
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tusken
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29. December 2003 @ 20:29 |
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Thanks for understanding what I'm talking about. A section on this site informing "Newbie's" on what they will need to actually sit down in front of thier TV, eat popcorn and watch a burned movie should be add to this site. If there is such a section I sure didn't find it. Such a scetion would probally inform or DISCOURAGE many people of exactly what they are getting into when burning a copy of a DVD! I'm way to far in now (money and time) to stop now but if there was such a section giving the cold hard truth about junk software,hardware needed etc. I just might not be on here doing the DVD RANT! Webmaster I'll even write the section. It won't be done by a DVD BURNING GURU but at least people would have an idea what this is (COPYING DVD'S) all about!
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malum
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30. December 2003 @ 05:01 |
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If you read the guides on this (and many other) sites you can see that it isn't as easy as copying a CD.
Before the days of Shrink and DVD2One is was much more complicated it's pretty simple now if you want to use either of those two.
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30. December 2003 @ 20:49 |
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I understand back in the day copying a DVD was just for the PC Guru or someone that had a PC Guru as a friend! Right now this very second if someone wants to burn a DVD copy ,eat popcorn, and watch it on their TV in living room they will need a lot of things! And no where on this site does it have a "What you will need Section to Burn,watch on stand alone TV unit(DVD Player" it could be all text and take up about 100k in space. Copying CD's verus copying DVD's is apples and oranges. I love this site! All I'm saying is to make site even greater there should be a section about "What one will need to copy a DVD and watch it in there stand alone player on TV." There are still MANY dvd players being sold that don't play these formats. I cant' find a CD player that won't play a copied CD I make. It is funny as this thread gets bigger and bigger still all senior members refuse to admit that a section where talking about would help people out. Am I missing something here? My personal opinion is that in the old days guys went through so much trouble that they don't want to make it easy for someone knowing nothing about burning dvd's to make a copy in a day. This site does seem to have from "SENIOR MEMBERS" the "I went through hell and so are you" factor. Guys in a year or 2 from now DVD burning is going to be like burning a CD and you can't stop that!I just happen to be very impatient person!So I guess we all will be special for about 1 or 2 more years then any MONKEY will be able to make a working copy of a DVD. The End
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malum
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31. December 2003 @ 01:21 |
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Needed:
1) PC with DVD recorder
2) Ripping and compressing software: DVD Shrink, DVD decrypter, DVD2one (first two are free, you can get away with just the first one for most films)
3) Burning software: Nero, Record Now Max
Er I think that's it.
I see your point though. maybe there should be a tab at the top that says "Read this before you buy a burner" That tells you that it isn't like burning a CD and that a lot of films need to be compressed to fit on one disc.
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31. December 2003 @ 05:04 |
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Hi all,
I'm considering putting together a series of guides for those just starting out on this wondrous journey of discovery and learning.
After reading this thread (and others), tentative suggestions for titles could be:
1 - The "I can't be bothered learning all this ****, I just want to copy films" beginners guide.
2 - The "I want to copy films, but all the different ways of doing it **** me off" beginners guide.
3 - The "I want to copy films, but I am confused by all the programs, can I get some help" beginners guide.
4 - The "I want to learn how to copy films, what do I need" beginners guide.
5 - The "What hardware & software should I get so I can copy films, I know there is a lot to learn" beginners Guide.
6 - The "I want to learn about ripping, editing, compressing & burning DVDs: where do I start" beginners guide.
7 - The "I want to become expert at copying DVDs, what does that entail" beginners guide.
Do you guys think these categories cover a wide enough range, maybe there should be more?
Your thoughts on the subject, please.
By the way, BEFORE anyone gets all antsy about the above, consider this:
if you fail to see humour (humor to our American readers) that does not mean that humour is not present:
Humour is a concept, a reaction to a perception:
be very sure of your own concepts, reactions and perceptions before you pass judgement upon others.
I would prefer that people took it as it is written, as it is meant:
Have Fun...
Life is just more of the same:
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slickhorn
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31. December 2003 @ 05:40 |
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"I can't be bothered learning all this ****, I just want to copy films"
haha! exactly! there's a lot of basic computer skills necessary for this kind of task...not just how to use Nero or dvd decryptor. In order to do it well, you've got to spend the time learning it.
If you think burning a dvd copy is bad (three step process) try converting a foregin film with subtitles and multiple language options to a divx AVI file in less than 10 hours and on the first try!
I think buring dvd backups is quite straightforward...It's not any harding than converting MP3s to wavs in order to burn a music CD...and I say that even in light of the problems I've been having.
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brian100
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31. December 2003 @ 07:21 |
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I can't believe this topic is in the "Advanced" section.
Just amazes me..
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31. December 2003 @ 19:36 |
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It is probally in "Advanced Section" because the advanced "Senior Members" need to be informed that what they take for granted (knowledge of DVD copying) is NOT easy if you don't have the right hardware or knowledge! I don't know about everyone else but I much rather sit in my living room and watch a dvd on my High Definition 55 inch TV rather than watch it on my 15 inch PC monitor! And to do that I need , a DVD-R / DVD+R compatible stand alone DVD player. I need certain brand of DVD+ -r's to work with my brand of dvd burner(my burner eats certain brands of discs), I need enough CPU power and memory (ram),I need the right software programs (most of the stuff is junk on the market)and I need the knowledge of how to burn. If anyone thinks that copying a DVD is as easy as making a music CD from a CD-R you are mistaken. I can use any CD-R (cheapest) I can find and it will burn and play on any cd player. The guides above are great start! Start loading them on the site as fast as possible. Probally a year from now they still won't be up because the Bill Gates ego maniac ,fathead, PC nerd running the server thinks they are not needed. Unfortunately they would be a real help to someone just starting out! Isnt that what this site is for helping people out and informing them on how to copy a DVD! Or is it for a couple of NERDS with loads of money to stroke thier ego's? If you read this thread strat to finish it is most likely the second one. If it wasnt a Senior member would have said yes there is a need for such a section. The only logical reason is people are ego stroking.
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31. December 2003 @ 20:00 |
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SICKHORN writes: I think buring dvd backups is quite straightforward...It's not any harding than converting MP3s to wavs in order to burn a music CD...and I say that even in light of the problems I've been having.
I never have any problems making a music CD I have made 500 music CD's and maybe wasted 10 CD-R's. Now I have burn 20 DVD movies and wasted 5 DVD-R's hummmm Maybe ,just maybe if we sit back take a deep breath and think there is a reason for that. Screamed{{{It is because making a music cd is much easier on your PC and your brain, then making a DVD}}}
All of us including the "Senior PC nerd members" still have a DVD R get eaten every now and then. Then again they would not admit to that anyway because making DVD is easyyyyyyyy to them and thier super minds! Same guys that won't put up the help section! LOL
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31. December 2003 @ 20:37 |
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Wow, you seem to be taking major offense to noone saying hey lets get this on here. Next if you want a guide for it, write one. http://www.afterdawn.com/guides/submit.cfmDamn dude submit it then if they feel it is necassary or good they will post it. I think it says there is a submission page in the FAQ which you should have read. Finally dont pride yourself so much on being able to make CDRs that are so good. There are specific programs that copy 1:1 and there is never any compression needed. I can personally guarentee you I have a DVD player that you cannot make a CDR that will play in it. PERIOD. It is not a budget brand either. It is a Sony that has 5.1 Surround Sound, so there was no price skimping. Also when you write the review dont say that you have to have a DVD+/-R standalone DVD player, if you do the copies right it wont matter.
Lonzo
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1. January 2004 @ 06:17 |
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why does everything always end up in an arguement! Copyig DVDs is not hard! When i first got my DVD burner, i had problems, i made a few coasters, but then i figured out how to copy them in like a week. When i got my dvd burner, it was fustrating, but then like a week after i got my burner, i just went onto yahoo and typed "copy a DVD to DVD r" and the first listing was a link to this site! Now is that so hard? how difficult is it to do that? then i got a freeware program "dvd shrink" that is practicaly automatic! so it is easy to copy dvds! as for compatibility- I HAVE NEVER FOUND A PLAYER THAT COULD NOT PLAY A DVD+R and almost all of them play DVD-R! ITS NOT DIFFICULT!!!
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1. January 2004 @ 10:36 |
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pcshateme
I agree totally mate.
I searched around the net for a few "MINUTES" and found many a good guide. I did this all BEFORE i even bought a DVD writer.I practised ripping and re transcoding before I bought a writer. It was the easiest thing in the world for me to work it out, and i'm no whizz kid I can assure you.
DVDecrypter, SmartRipper, DVD2One, DVDshrink & Pinnacle Instantcopy are totally simple to use. I didnt go down the CCE route simply because i read that it takes so long and the app costs a lot, which i couldnt afford. I am astonished that people find it so hard. Honestly...I just cant believe it.
Flame me if you will..I stand by my statement totally.
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1. January 2004 @ 10:42 |
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Qoute "Senior PC nerd members".
I take offence at that statement. I have learnt many a good tip from reading the posts of these so called "nerds". I suggest you post an apology to these people.
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1. January 2004 @ 22:22 |
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One member above writes: I can personally guarentee you I have a DVD player that you cannot make a CDR that will play in it. PERIOD. 1. No Kidding, a DVD player that doesnt play cds! If you read it again it says I defy you to find a CD player ,again a CD player, player that won't play CD-r's. Then he writes: When you write the review dont say that you have to have a DVD+/-R standalone DVD player, if you do the copies right it wont matter. 2.So, you don't need to have a stand lone DVD player that plays DVD+/-R's player to play DVD's burn on your PC? Come on don't fool yourself what do you do watch movies 2 feet away from your monitor? I you do you must have a huge monitor and instead of a computer chair, a couch. Of course you need a DVD+/- stand alone dvd player if your mormal and watch the movies in the living room on a TV. "OK EVERYONE TO THE PC TO WATCH "LORD OF THE RINGS some of you may need to stand for two and a half hours and strain your eyes a bit! hahahahahaha . If your player isnt DVD+/-R it is NOT going to play DVD burned movies made on your PC.That is a fact, unless you came up with new hardware /software program which in case I wouldnt be writing to me. I would be trying to market the stuff. Damn people are funny!
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1. January 2004 @ 22:39 |
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To : brian100
Sorry to tell you this but if your running a Windows OS it was marketed by worlds biggest nerd (BILL GATES)! IF you think he is a hip,farout cool cat you just might be a nerd yourself! Most PC nerds that have a high I.Q don't take offense to being called a Nerd. That is just what they are! Just like JOCKS don't take offense to being called a jock. Go find Mark McGwire (retired baseball player, that is now on billionare list ,I guess 13.3 million for 5 seasons and right investments will do that) and call him a jock. He most likely will laugh, rub your head and smile. Get it real Nerds don't take offense to being called a NERD. Better yet forget McGwire go find a Hells Angel and call him a biker! LOL
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1. January 2004 @ 22:51 |
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TO: pcshateme
Give your DVD player that plays DVD-/+ R's to charity . Then give me enough money Ibuy you several brand new, shiny, fresh smelling,off the shelf sealed box with warranty DVD players and see if they play DVD+/-R's. Deal? I didnt think so! Please if your putting in your one cent have it have some weight!
Still many DVD players on market in stores that don't play DVD-/+ R's.
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1. January 2004 @ 23:22 |
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Webmaster, you should just end this thread because some just don't get it and never will.Ones that do I commend you for honesty and being down to earth. Point to thread is you need several things to be able to make and watch burned DVD-/+R on your TV in livingroom etc.And it is going to take some money and time to learn. A section having this would be helpful to new arrivals to website. This thread is like trying to telling Bill Gates about working overtime at a minium wage job just to pay the bills. He will never get the it! Why? He is a to self-aburb person like the ones responding with the this is easy "I'm Superior" attitude! Unfortunatly these people never see entire picture and never will! Damn, and people wonder why there is so much violence in the world. I can just imagine meeting some of you in a bar with your irrogance mixed with booze surley you would end up with my middle class work boot stepping on your "superior mind!" LOL Blocking thread so write your hearts out.
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brian100
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1. January 2004 @ 23:47 |
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I actually agree with you ! This thread should be locked. Quite frankly it is becoming quite embarrassing.
Just for the record I use :-
a) a sony dvd player
b) Ritek dye dvd-r (generation 3 - 2 speed - very compatible disks!!)
c) SmartRipper & dvdecrypter (to rip)
d) Shrink, DVD2One & pinnacle instant copy (to re-transcode
e) copytodvd & dvdecrypter to burn.
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