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25. March 2008 @ 16:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I need some help and have some questions...

I bought this computer in 2000 and its time to get something else.. It runs fine and i keep it clean and it does almost everything i need it to do... the biggest problem is multi tasking... It's seems to bog down a bit...it was mentioned in an earlier post suggesting I should maybe scrap my old computer and build one of my own using some of my old hardware. see below

my current machine:

Dell Dimension 8100 desktop
1.3Mhz, Pentium 4
640 MB RDRAM
40 & 250 GB hard drive
19" ViewSonic Va1912w-3
Freecom DVD +/-RW16B6
XP Pro Lite Weight Version /SP2

I was complaining on the price of RD Ram
Originally posted by ddp:
jigdish, dell didn't screw you over the memory as that was a 1st generation p4 tho more like a bastardize p3. might be better off scrapping the computer but keep all the drives & put together a new pc. i can buy a brand new dualcore 1.6ghz, 1gig ddr2 ram, 18x dvd burner, 6-8 usb ports, keyboard, optical mouse, speakers, onboard video but with pci/e 16 slot for $280Can but no windows or monitor.
I have a new monitor, keyboard & mouse, 4 port usb 2.0, dvd burner, speakers, Win XP pro, and a Sound Blaster Live sound card..

I mostly surf the net, listen to music and work from home...

Are there any major reasons to go with the newer SATA hard drives? everything I have read relates to lowering the temperature of the computer... I have a fairly new 250G IDE drive... If I went with the new SATA drive could I turn my current IDE drive into an external drive?

I'm guessing I would need a box(could I use my old Dell box), mother board, ram, and hard drive... Would current my sound card (EMU10K1 audio chipset (SB LIVE!))still work with these newer motherboards?

Any suggestions on what parts to get?

Like I said I don't need a top of the line machine... I don't game with it. I just wanna be able to multi task and have my machine keep up..

any suggestions?

Jigdish
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27. March 2008 @ 18:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
You think you could post your service tag to your system so we can see the exact specs on http://support.dell.com and see available upgrades??
And yes you will need a new box and mostly power supply too. Dell power supplies are proprietary to Dell systems.

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27. March 2008 @ 22:08 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
core2kid, specs link.
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dsleest/specs.htm

jigdish, what is your budget? forget using the dell case unless you modify the board connectors & don't use the dell psu as might fry non-dell boards.
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27. March 2008 @ 22:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by ddp:
core2kid, specs link.
http://support.dell.com/support/edocs/systems/dsleest/specs.htm

jigdish, what is your budget? forget using the dell case unless you modify the board connectors & don't use the dell psu as might fry non-dell boards.

I know about those links but with the service tag you can type it in here: http://support.dell.com/support/topics/g...EX29&l=en&s=dhs and it gives you a direct link to exactly what hardware is in that specific computer down to every little bit.
Giving out the computer service tag is all up to the owner. If he doesn't want to he doesn't have to. My service tag to my laptop is 9HRN4C1. I'm just throwing that out there to show that its not a private code or anything. It doesn't give away any personal information.
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28. March 2008 @ 20:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
my service tag # 455FQ01

well DDP you said you could do a lot with $280 so $300 but you know how things go...

Jig
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28. March 2008 @ 20:50 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
If you know how to build then you could look up parts on Newegg.com or barebone systems on Tigerdirect.
This perticular one caught my eye, it was a nice looking powerful one on the home page.
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...u=A455-2812%20E
With this you'll still need to add DVD drives or use your old ones and a hard drive or use your old one. Oh yea, Operating system too. Go XP, not Vista btw.

Here are all the barebones
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...e=Barebone-Kits
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31. March 2008 @ 23:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Is it better to go with the AMD64 for what I do? surfing the net, music,and home business..

Is money the reason you didn't suggest an Intel Duo Core?

Can my IDE hard drives hook up to this AMD motherboard?

Can most of the new boards use both IDE and SATA drives? or do you use one or the other?


Jig
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1. April 2008 @ 00:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I did a little research... Little!

Whats up with these new quad cores? and how soon until there is a
Octa Core or Deci Core?

Jig
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1. April 2008 @ 01:44 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Octa cores come out next year. The new quad cores just came out. I have the older Q6600 version and it's great!

I wouldn't go with that first barebone Core2Kid suggested, that PSU looks shady. I've used Ultra PSUs before, and some are great, but only some.

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I have a new monitor, keyboard & mouse, 4 port usb 2.0, dvd burner, speakers, Win XP pro, and a Sound Blaster Live sound card.
Alright keep those parts, but you will need everything else new. Also if your DVD drive is IDE, well most modern motherboards only support two IDE drives. So it's one HDD and one optical or 2HDD, etc.

Honestly, if money is not a problem I would go with these parts.

CPU:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...6566&CatId=2396

or

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017

Motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...pk=GA-EP35-DS3R

RAM:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227181

Case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811133021

PSU:
http://www.buy.com/prod/corsair-vx-550w-.../205852646.html

Video Card:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150229

A bit steep, but that's quality for you. Let us know if you are wanting to spend less.

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1. April 2008 @ 06:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by jigdish:
I did a little research... Little!

Whats up with these new quad cores? and how soon until there is a
Octa Core or Deci Core?

Jig

I also have the Q6600 and it's amazingly fast. Nothing I do seems to be able to max out the processor. About the new quad cores and the Old Q6600s, I have heard a lot of controversy about the Q6600s being better and I have also heard that the new Q9300s are better. Can anybody clarify this please?
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1. April 2008 @ 07:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Q6600 CPU http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115017 $250
GA-EP35-DS3R Mobo http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128086 $141
Corsair VX 450W PSU http://www.buy.com/retail/usersearchresu...ay=col&dclksa=1 $60 after rebate
Coolermaster Centurion RC-532 case & extra fan http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119094
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835185005 $97
HD2600XT Graphics card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102700 $60 after rebate
Extra IDE port card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816124001 $23
That's a relatively high spec build, $631 if you use your existing hard drives and optical drives (I've included an extra IDE card assuming your current drives are all IDE, since modern motherboards only come with one IDE port)



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1. April 2008 @ 12:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
There is no reason for the new Q9300 to be better than the Q6600. It's got a lower clock speed AND less cache. The only difference is that it's 45nm, so it should run cooler.
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1. April 2008 @ 12:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Don't forget though that the E8400 is much faster at 3Ghz than the E6750 is!



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1. April 2008 @ 12:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
*cough*More cache*cough*

:)
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1. April 2008 @ 12:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
no, it's because it's a different architecture.



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1. April 2008 @ 13:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Sam, they are all the Core 2 architecture. So I don't think that's any different.
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1. April 2008 @ 13:06 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
"All differences in performance, power consumption, heat dissipation, etc between an E8400 and an E6850 can be attributed to Wolfdale?s enhanced micro-architecture, its 50% larger L2 cache, and the 45nm transistor shrinkage" - from a report from overclockers.com



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1. April 2008 @ 13:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm not buying it, until Intel tells my so. In fact I think I WILL call them now.

Well maybe not now. I'll take your word for it now...



I'LL BE BACK! lol
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1. April 2008 @ 13:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I quite agree, based on the overclocking issues as well, it isn't worth the hassle.



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1. April 2008 @ 13:22 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm fairly new to building a machine(meaning i have replaced a few things on my existing computer)... and the more I read these posts from you guys the more I realize I might need to do a little research first... Anyone know of a good basic site I could start reading to learn a little about what I'm gonna do...

I've been building things all my life so I'm not worried about this part of it... I just wanna know what I'm doing... just slipping tab A into slot A doesn't teach me anything...

any suggestions Guys?

Jig
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1. April 2008 @ 13:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Without meaning to sound too snobbish, I'd say here. Whatever you're not sure about, ask here. There are too many conflicting guides out there, that while not necessarily wrong can easily lose someone the way.



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1. April 2008 @ 14:01 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Thats why I asked... I know there are a lot of conflicting things out there... I have only replaced something( take it out and put it right back in)...

I have looked at the parts you have guys have suggested... If I get this stuff and then next year I want to upgrade to a quad do you just upgrade the chip and all is well?

or do i need to get a power supply, board, Etc?



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1. April 2008 @ 14:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
As long as you get a decent power supply, going to a quad core won't be too problematic, assuming you have a relatively recent motherboard. If you're buying components today, they will easily allow Quad cores to be used later on with minimal fuss and minimal cost.



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1. April 2008 @ 15:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
As long as you get a Gigabyte GA-EP35-DS3R and a Corsair 550VX you should be good in the motherboard and PSU dept. to upgrade to a Quad Core.

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1. April 2008 @ 18:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
jigdish, if in doubt, ask before you fry something as it could be costly.
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