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Q9450, 9800GX2, 8GB DDR2 MOBO PLEASE?
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2. June 2008 @ 12:39 |
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Hmm, I have nothing against staying with DDR2 for now, DDR3 may have a higher speed, but the latencies are terrible and it's still very expensive. As far as I'm concerned right now DDR3 is a needless extra expense.
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FSX
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2. June 2008 @ 14:49 |
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I think I have made my mind up and going for the DFI. I have come across 2 products, if I am going to shell out £2000 I want the best motherboard available for my Q9450 and 9800GX2. I was looking at the DFI and I found 2 main ones listed and its coming up with a different model name:
DFI LanParty LT X48-T2R: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduc...2%20Motherboard
And also this one
DFI LanParty UT X48-T2R:
http://www.awd-it.com/scripts/prodView.asp?idproduct=3811
Do you know which one is the newest and better please? And also am I correct in saying these are the latest DFI motherboards to suit my Processor and Graphics Card.
Many thanks again.
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2. June 2008 @ 14:53 |
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If I remember rightly, the UT series is better. However, I don't know much about the X48 chipset, so I couldn't say how these compare to normal high-end boards.
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FSX
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2. June 2008 @ 15:13 |
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Just found out they are both the newest.
The only difference between them is the cooling on the board and the extras that come bundled with it.
The UT version is the full one that comes with everything.
I believe DFI are slightly more complex, but I am a fast learner and I hope it goes well with my Q9450 and 9800GX2. I presume its not possible to use 2 x sli? (I am not wanting this just thinking about the future) and how many GTX280's could I put in this motherboard if I buy one down the line and remove my 9800GX2?
Many Thanks again you have been overwhelming in valuable information.
Thank you Sir.
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2. June 2008 @ 16:08 |
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With an Intel chipset board it isn't possible to use SLI, no. You would have to use an nvidia chipset, and I do not recommend doing so. You would only be able to replace the 9800GX2 with one GTX280.
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FSX
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3. June 2008 @ 13:26 |
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3. June 2008 @ 13:30 |
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I'd go with the Rampage Formula - the few I know who've used it have nothing but praise for it.
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FSX
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3. June 2008 @ 14:09 |
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How easy do you think it will be to overclock the Q9450 and what/if successfull kind of speed increase could I get?
Thanks again.
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3. June 2008 @ 14:27 |
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Relatively easy, you should be able to make 3.2Ghz ish without increasing the voltage much - and you shouldn't increase the voltage much, 45nm Quads fare very badly if you do that.
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FSX
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3. June 2008 @ 18:18 |
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sammorris: Have you ever used a 780i?
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3. June 2008 @ 18:24 |
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No, but I don't want to. Almost everyone around here's experience of nvidia chipsets (including mine) has been bad - the Intels are just plainly better. Just for SLI, they're not worth having.
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3. June 2008 @ 18:33 |
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i hope you aint bought yet.
PLEASE wait 2 weeks. as the new cards from ati/nvidia will be out.
the GTX280 is about 30-40% faster than a 9800GX2.
and the 4870X2 wil be about the same.
dont go for Vista 64 ULTIMATE. you should shave the extra and go for Home prem, as there isnt anything you cant do, bar bit defender, and i doubt anyone would use that.
next, im with sam, either get the rampage, or the DQ6
the CPU you want will be good for 3.6 minimum (so long as you didnt get a crap chip)
what is your budget mate, and im assumign your in the UK?
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3. June 2008 @ 18:34 |
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i hope you aint bought yet.
PLEASE wait 2 weeks. as the new cards from ati/nvidia will be out.
the GTX280 is about 30-40% faster than a 9800GX2.
and the 4870X2 wil be about the same.
dont go for Vista 64 ULTIMATE. you should shave the extra and go for Home prem, as there isnt anything you cant do, bar bit defender, and i doubt anyone would use that.
next, im with sam, either get the rampage, or the DQ6
the CPU you want will be good for 3.6 minimum (so long as you didnt get a crap chip)
what is your budget mate, and im assumign your in the UK?
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3. June 2008 @ 18:42 |
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I love how people compare the single cards to the sli cards - it's so ridiculous. How can you directly compare the performance of one card to another, when the other varies proportionately from game to game?
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3. June 2008 @ 18:52 |
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not ppl NVIDIA, and im sure they choose perticular games, in which it was the biggest difference, but we shall see.
jsut wait for the new cards, then make our decision
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FSX
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3. June 2008 @ 18:54 |
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shaffaaf: Hi and thanks for your input. Yes I am in the UK. I have not bought anything yet. I am 100%certain the Q9450 will be used and everything else will work around it. I was going to include the 9800GX2 as its pretty much 2 cards sandwiched together and very fast therefore no need to go down the avenue of having to get a 780i which I have heard is not that impressive and poor at overclocking??
I think I am going to wait for the GTX280: http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Detailed...tures/5826.html
It looks very nice.
"the CPU you want will be good for 3.6 minimum (so long as you didnt get a crap chip)" sorry I dont know what you mean by that do you mean I should re-consider the Q9450?
My budget is £2000
Please feel free to fill in the blanks
Case
Hard-Drive (2 x the fastest by 1TB) Maybe even a Samsung F1 not to sure what the best HDD is.
Graphics Card (GTX280)
Sound Card
Power Supply
RAM (8gb of the fastest DDR2 please)
Motherboard
Processor (Q9450 quad)
OS (XP 64 or Vista 64)
Fan
Many thanks in advance.
P.S If i did invest in a DDR3 board which one would you recommend to go with the GTX280 and is the P45 worrth waiting for?
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3. June 2008 @ 19:02 |
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Originally posted by shaffaaf:
not ppl NVIDIA
Originally posted by noneotherthanshaffaaf:
the GTX280 is about 30-40% faster than a 9800GX2.
Telling FSX he can expect 3.6 out of the Q9450 is also irresponsible, as to make that level, a lot of Q9450s have to be run at unsafe voltages, not just the odd one if you get unlucky.
As far as the rest of the build goes, waiting for the GTX280 is a sound idea, but you should stick with DDR2 RAM.
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FSX
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3. June 2008 @ 19:10 |
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Thanks sammorris do you think the GTX 280 will be more powerfull and faster than the 9800GX2?
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3. June 2008 @ 19:13 |
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As I suggested earlier, it's relative. For the games that don't work with SLI well, the GTX280 will be vastly superior. For the ones that work very well with it, there might not be much of a difference. Overall the GTX280 will be a better buy.
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FSX
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3. June 2008 @ 19:19 |
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Thank you, I am going to wait for its launch in that case. If I did buy DDR3 what other top of the range boards could I get apart from 780i? Maybe even DFI?
Thank you again Sir.
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3. June 2008 @ 19:24 |
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it's kind of a moot point, because you shouldn't, but some X48 boards take DDR3. If the DFI's one of them it'd be a good choice, but DDR3 is not something I would change my mobo choice for, because simply it's overhyped and ineffective right now and will be for some time to come.
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3. June 2008 @ 19:27 |
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i meant, as long as you dont get a crap clocking chip (a small percent chance) then i t wont clock that far, but nearly all will.
if you are going the Nvidia route, then go for the p45 over the X48, as the p45 is a cut down of the x48 with regards to crossfire only.
on the x48 crossfire runs 16 16, where as in the p45 itll run 8 8 .
as for a spec, hows this for a DDR2 spec?
That will be about he price for a GTX280 so i put the 9800GX2 there for price only.
the CPU becuase the FSX is heavily reliant on it.
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3. June 2008 @ 19:30 |
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if you want an nvidia chip, and DDR3 please use the 790i ultra chipet mobos. or for intel use the x48.
and sam, ALOT of the Q9450s are hitting 3.6, with under 1.35V
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FSX
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3. June 2008 @ 19:36 |
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sammorris: Yes I agree I was just wondering how good the boards are. Also I just read in that link (http://www.vr-zone.com/articles/Detailed_Geforce_GTX_280_Pictures/5826.html)that the card does not come with a HDMI port built in unlike the 9800GX2, does this mean I wont be able to play games in HD or I cant put an HMDI cable into the back of the card?
shaffaaf: Very nice build, thank you which one of the Hard Drives would I use for the OS?
Thanks again.
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3. June 2008 @ 19:41 |
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FSX: neither - the card comes with an adapter for an HDMI cable, so you can still use one. The 9800GX2 just makes it a little easier - you can play games in HD on both cards, and use an HDMI port. Oh, and use the Velociraptor for the OS.
Shaff: So you'd give one 1.35V? I wouldn't have the courage myself - that's a good 130mV increase over stock, considerable even for a 65nm chip.
Also, an EVGA card shaff? Yes I know it's not real, but for knowledge's sake, I'd stick with BFG or XFX.
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