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2. June 2008 @ 15:29

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Hi. I just buil my first PC about 3 weeks ago.

The Hardware:

- Q9450 Intel;
- EX38-DS4 Gigabyte;
- OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1066Mhz;
- Antec Nine Hundred;
- Samsung Spinpoint F1 1TB;
- Pioneer DVD-RW DVR-215D;
- HiperPower 880W Quad Sli Certified;
- Radeon HD 3870 Toxic.

After installing Vista 64 I installed some of the programs I normally use and everything was running fine, so it seemed. A couple of days later I started experiencing constant freezes (randomly, sometimes 6 hours sometimes 10 hours and sometimes even less). Since I am new to the whole building PC scene i thought it night be a bad OS installation and I have reinstalled Vista 4 times since. I also get blue screens and green screens randomly however the freezing issue is more constant. Then I started testing the hardware and I ran memtest86 v3.4 and HUTIL 2.1 for the Samsung Hard Drive. Both tests Passed. Then I tried Google to search for similar problems and came across a thread indicating some standard BIOS settings to try out. Tried that but the computer automatically reset the memory to AUTO and it indicates 5-7-7-20 Timing. I seen this agter it froze once more. The most peculiar thing about this whole issue is that every time the PC freezes, when i restart the computer and go into windows i check the Hard Drive space and its reduced by 20GB or whatever random number.

What shall I do guys?

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2. June 2008 @ 16:19

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I just went through troubleshooting that same CPU+ mobo combination, I may be able to help. Do you have most recent BIOS, F3? If no, get it. Then reset your CMOS either by jumper or by taking the batttery out for a few minutes. Unplug your SATA Pioneer burner. Start everything up again, pressing delete to get into setup again. At the main screen set everything to optimized default. Now I dont know where you found the BIOS settings to try, but now would be the time to start small like setting your memory to proper speed and voltage.
To make a long story short, my computer would run perfectly fine and passed all stress tests. As soon as I would try to enable the clock cycle speed controls my computer would refuse to work. I pinned it down to my Lite-ON SATA DVD/CD burners. I took them out and swapped in IDE drive burners and the problem went away. Try doing everything you did before, just take out the plug from the MOBO and reset your settings first.

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2. June 2008 @ 16:50

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Thanks for your reply.

I think I do have the latest BIOS F3. Let me run through your suggestions and see where it takes us. Question. Would you happen to know the memory and voltage setting for my hardware or shall I try and check OCZ website?

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*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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2. June 2008 @ 22:03

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Those OCZ should run at 5-5-5-15 at around 2.1-2.2v. What program do you use to check these readings? I like CPU-Z but not sure if it likes Vista.
You will most likely need to boost you memory voltage +.25 or .3 to get there, mine auto ran at 1.8v same timings you listed. Set your memory multi at 3.2B, make sure the number under it hovers around its rated 1066. Then just set your timings to manual, and change them.
Do you also know about disabling, C1E and EIST in the advanced options screen? They are power saver options that throttle your system a bit.

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3. June 2008 @ 09:43

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Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Those OCZ should run at 5-5-5-15 at around 2.1-2.2v. What program do you use to check these readings? I like CPU-Z but not sure if it likes Vista.
You will most likely need to boost you memory voltage +.25 or .3 to get there, mine auto ran at 1.8v same timings you listed. Set your memory multi at 3.2B, make sure the number under it hovers around its rated 1066. Then just set your timings to manual, and change them.
Do you also know about disabling, C1E and EIST in the advanced options screen? They are power saver options that throttle your system a bit.

I didn't. Let me check it out. Thanks for the help.

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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3. June 2008 @ 15:22

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No problem, just keep posting if you have any other problems or questions.

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4. June 2008 @ 10:06

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I'd try using some different RAM, such as Corsair Dominator - PC2 8500 RAM is very brand specific, certainly with Gigabyte boards, and I don't think the Reapers are on the approved list. Corsair are.

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4. June 2008 @ 12:15

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Deadrum33, I have just reinstalled Vista Ultimate x64 because I realized maybe my drivers weren't up to date. I installed the latest drivers from Gigabyte website and the one driver I didn't install was the latest graphics driver from the ATI website for my 3870 Toxic. The reason for this is that I did try its installation previuously and for some reason after it was sucessfully installed the screen resolution which is 1680x1050 was present on the display settings but it didn't actually cover the whole screen. This I don't understand. I followed your instructions as per BIOS settings with the exception of the DVD RW drive replacement which is the one area left to explore. Is there a type of drive I should purchase? As soon as he latest installation of Vista was up and running the computer has already frozen 3 times when I was running the Sisoft Create report Tool. One thing to note is that when I check the Event Viewer it still has logs of the events that ocurred in the past 7 days even though this is a fresh installation. Do you know anything about that? Another thing reported in the Event Viewer is that most of the errors logged are related to the SideBySide application event ID 78, few HTTP events ID 15016 and few WMI events ID 10. Does this mean anything to you?

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4. June 2008 @ 15:33

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sammorris---I dont know about PC8500 Reapers, but I know OCZ platinum PC6400 work from other threads I researched about past problems. I kinda looked past RAM when floss said he ran Memtest even though I probably shouldve mentioned it not being on the list as you did.

Floss313---You dont need to go buy anything yet, since you have your OS installed, just go ahead and unplug the drive from the mobo and see if anything is better. Although that was my problem, I'm not sure if it is yours anymore.

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SideBySide application event ID 78, few HTTP events ID 15016 and few WMI events ID 10. Does this mean anything to you?

I googled those 3 error messages and they all have something to do with Vista, usually service pack 1 (not ALWAYS). Does your Vista 64 come with SP1 or have you installed it after you loaded the OS? I'm not much with Vista but I can attempt to help troubleshoot.

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4. June 2008 @ 15:46

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I remember reading about this when Rob had issues - the list of compatible memory sticks for PC6400 speed is huge, but the list of compatible PC8500 is tiny.

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4. June 2008 @ 16:18

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Thanks for your help guys. Deardrum, I do have SP1 that already came in the installation disc. I have taken some readings from EasyTune and decided to post them here in case they mean something more to you guys. I do have a question. Why do the memory readings shoe PC2-6400-400Mhz?

One thing guys. How do I upload pictures from my desktop, here?

Cheers

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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4. June 2008 @ 16:25

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You are correct about the memory list SAM
http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/FileList/Memo...ga-ex38-ds4.pdf
They dont have much in there, technically my 1GB Dominators arent even, but the "family" is so I bought them. I thought nearly all 8500 were just OC'd 6400's anyway? Thats why they are listed as such in that list and also why CPU-Z sees them as 6400's @ 2x533 1066mhz. I was using that same logic since OCZ 6400's were listed too.
Do you have any any helpful hints about that vid card and drivers for floss?

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4. June 2008 @ 16:33

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It's that very reason why they're not there. Overclocked RAM responds better to some boards than others.

As a fellow 3870 owner, I've had my fair share of issues, but unfortunately haven't experienced what floss has. However, I'm not using Vista. All I can say is try various revisions of Catalyst, specifically 8.4 and 7.11.

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4. June 2008 @ 17:07

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Here are some pictures of the readings guys:

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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5. June 2008 @ 08:45

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Hey guys. I unplugged the DVD RW last night and after 9 or so hours I had a green screen and 20 minutes later again my computer froze on me.

Cheers

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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5. June 2008 @ 11:34

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Which version of catalyst are you using?

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5. June 2008 @ 11:44

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I am using version 08.1.

Cheers

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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5. June 2008 @ 11:45

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Try grabbing version 8.4 off http://www.filehippo.com - it's not the latest but seems to work the best.

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5. June 2008 @ 12:54

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I will. Thanks.

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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5. June 2008 @ 13:04

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One thing Sam. I had a message in Vista Maintenance saying that I had compatibility problems with ICH9 Intel so I followed that message through and installed an earlier version of the chipset drivers. Another thing I have also done is that I installed the latest driver for my mouse (Microsoft Wireless Laser Mouse 5000) since, most of the freezing ocurred when I was using it and also because I have read some threads that indicated others experiencing the same issue. I will wait to see the outcome of this (it has now been 2h40m) and if it doesn't work out then I will proceed with the 8.4 Catalyst update unless you advise me otherwise.

Many Thanks.

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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5. June 2008 @ 13:18

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Hmm, that's interesting. I'll bear that in mind.

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5. June 2008 @ 15:44

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Right guys. The whole chipset and mouse driver idea never worked. Sam I installed version 8.4 Catalyst but for some unknown reason the display responded in the same manner as I previously described. So I rolled back display driver and all is well dispay wise. Because the display is responding in such a way towards new driver installations, does that sugest the problem might be Graphics Card related? I have ran ou of ideas guys. The only thing I can think of is installing Vista 32 to see if the problem is indeed software related. Any more options?

Many Thanks

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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5. June 2008 @ 15:48

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Could be, try it in another PC perhaps?

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5. June 2008 @ 15:50

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I had a green screen this time around. Here is the report if it means anything to you guys.

Problem signature
Problem Event Name: BlueScreen
OS Version: 6.0.6001.2.1.0.256.1
Locale ID: 2057

Files that help describe the problem (some files may no longer be available)
Mini060508-02.dmp
sysdata.xml
Version.txt

View a temporary copy of these files
Warning: If a virus or other security threat caused the problem, opening a copy of the files could harm your computer.

Extra information about the problem
BCCode: 3b
BCP1: 00000000C0000005
BCP2: FFFFF960001008BE
BCP3: FFFFFA6004D216C0
BCP4: 0000000000000000
OS Version: 6_0_6001
Service Pack: 1_0
Product: 256_1
Server information: f536457f-dac8-41fc-acbb-972ccbbd5cb2

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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5. June 2008 @ 15:54

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Originally posted by sammorris:
Could be, try it in another PC perhaps?

After I built my first PC (this one) I built one for my sister also. That one, an AMD 6400+ on an Asus M3A-H HDMI mobo with a simple 8600 GT. And I installed the same Vista 64 I am trying to install on mine. No problems whatsoever reported.

*Intel® Core?2 Quad Processor Q9450 (12M Cache, 2.66 GHz, 1333 MHz FSB) laid with Shinetsu Microsis Thermal Paste***** Thermalright Ultra 120 Extreme with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21G)(1900 RPM)***** GigaByte EX38-DS4 with F6C AHCI BIOS***** OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 2x2 GB***** 2 x MSI R3870X2-T2D1G in Crossfire Mode***** Antec Twelve Hundred with 2 x Scythe "S-FLEX?" S-FDB 120mm Quiet FAN (SFF21F)(1600 RPM)as optional fans***** PSU Coolermaster Real Power Pro 1250W (RS-C50-EMBA-D2)***** 5 x Samsung Spinpoint 1TB (HD103UJ)(3 on RAID 5 Win 7 X64 and 2 on RAID 0 Win XP X64)***** Pioneer DVR-215D***** Monitor 1 Hannspree Verona 22" Widescreen Monitor (1680x1050)***** Monitor 2 Sony Bravia KDL-46W4500 46" (1920x1080)*

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