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dytopia
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6. July 2008 @ 19:58 |
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dytopia
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6. July 2008 @ 21:44 |
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6. July 2008 @ 22:00 |
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The devices that are supported are any type of IDE drives such as hard drives, zip or optical
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6. July 2008 @ 23:39 |
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@dytopia
I haven't looked at your parts yet(will in a second), but what type of PC are you looking to build and whats your budget?
"Some people have no damn sense." - Nephilim, March 27 2007 @ 18:08 |
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dytopia
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6. July 2008 @ 23:51 |
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i dont think i need to spend more than 1500
okay,
one thing. im not sure if the case is compatible with everything in the cart, this is the link to the case
http://www.tigerdirect.ca/applications/ ... =TC3J-2341
two, the motherboard says it supports two devices, I know the DVD writer is one and the hard drive is another, so thats 2...is there anything else that takes up a slot? because if there is there would be no room for it meaning i have to make some changes
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7. July 2008 @ 00:27 |
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Apevia makes decent cases but there are much better cases available. And I would HIGHLY recommend against using the free PSU in your high end PC, it will most definetly not be of high quality and has the potential to fry all your pc components. Can you buy from newegg? they generally have better prices? If not I take it tigerdirect is were you want to buy everything.
"Some people have no damn sense." - Nephilim, March 27 2007 @ 18:08
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7. July 2008 @ 00:31 |
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Also I take it you plan to do a good bit of gaming on this machine? Do you plan to overclock? What is your parts budget?
"Some people have no damn sense." - Nephilim, March 27 2007 @ 18:08
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dytopia
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7. July 2008 @ 01:28 |
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Yeah, well I dont really have a parts budget. I just feel like I should spend over 1500 over all, and yeah I will be doing a lot of gaming on it :)
As for buying it, I just want to know the actual brands and parts im buying, it can be from anywhere, could be from the internet or it could be from anywhere around here. just as long as its what I want and the prices are reasonable
For my case, your saying that the PSU could fry the components inside? I would hate that. what case and PSU do you recommend?
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7. July 2008 @ 13:11 |
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Dude, what's with your signature? It's a million times the forum regulation size!
I'm agreed on Peainapod about the PSU, cheap free-with-the-case PSUs are horrifying.
I recommend the NZXT Tempest case and a Corsair HX 520W power supply.
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You don't want an nforce chipset motherboard, they're not very good, and you don't want an EVGA graphics card either. Go with a Sapphire Radeon HD4850 and a Gigabyte EP35-DS3R motherboard.
Also, use Corsair memory not OCZ as it's more reliable, and get a half-decent cooler, thermaltake's are really quite poor. For that I'd recommend an Arctic cooling Freezer 7 Pro, or if you've got the extra, a Thermalright Ultra-120 extreme with a 120mm case fan attached.
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7. July 2008 @ 14:46 |
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Just to throw this in do NOT purchase crucial ram. They have had major problems with recent memory batches, which is why all there memory is now dirt cheap and sporting rebates. I bought 4Gb of there high-end ballistix memory and it refused to run at the stock settings even after I set them in the BIOS. Just stay away from Crucial for now. I agree with sammorris Corsair is the way to go.
"Some people have no damn sense." - Nephilim, March 27 2007 @ 18:08
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7. July 2008 @ 14:47 |
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It's mainly Crucial's PC8500 stuff that's problematic, but agreed, there's no reason to veer from Corsair, really, it's not fanboyism, it's just playing it safe.
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dytopia
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7. July 2008 @ 16:17 |
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7. July 2008 @ 16:31 |
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dytopia
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7. July 2008 @ 17:01 |
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7. July 2008 @ 17:43 |
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No, you only need one CPU cooler - you also do not need the case fan.
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dytopia
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7. July 2008 @ 18:20 |
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So, im not gonna get this
Ultra Blue/Titanium 80mm Ball Bearing Fan 3-Pack
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...eezer%2b7%2bPro
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...a-120%2bextreme
and out of these two im guessing the thermalalright is a better choice than the acrtic coolng..
and lastly, im having some doubts about the mother boards after reading this'
Cons: ...until yesterday when I tried booting it up. It's now stuck in a on/off/on/off reboot cycle that doesn't stop unless I cut the power. After reading on the web, this is a VERY COMMON problem with this board, and it happens out completely out of the blue.
Cons: Gigabyte's freaky BIOS resets stable overclocked settings back to default for no reason. Posts at 450 FSB after a reset, but can't boot at even 367 FSB after shutdown. Maybe this hasn't happened to your board, but it happens with some for reasons yet unknown. Probably RAM timings, or voltages, or poor support for 45nm CPUs. CPU and RAM aren't even close to OC limit, PSU and temps are fine, but BIOS is nuts. Why is this board stable in Windows at 4.0GHz but can't cold boot at 3.5GHz? Gigabyte tech support refuses to admit this is a known problem with their recent BIOSes.
Cons: The integrated sound drivers need some work, my neighbor hates the bass so I need to tweak that.
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7. July 2008 @ 18:29 |
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IMO now with the brilliant mid ranges that asus are pulling out with the P45 chipset at good prices, IMO go for a P5Q pro.
have you seen the antec 300? its a superb case to say the least for the budget.
that corsair HX520W is nothing short of brillaint, definately shop to find that.
and both geil, and g.skill have brilliant RRAM alogn with corsair, i wouldnt really go OCZ, due to faailure rates, (and crucial aswell)
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|. |
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7. July 2008 @ 18:33 |
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A midrange Asus board, are you mad?
As for that review, boards go wrong, it doesn't happen often with the EP35-DS3R, many people have had them here with no serious negatives, even if they did, you can have a lot worse problems with motherboards than quirky overclocking.
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7. July 2008 @ 18:45 |
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sam, have you seen how good the stability and OCs are for these p45 chipsets?
asus have doen what GB did.
MGR (Micro Gaming Rig) .|. Intel Q6600 @ 3.45GHz .|. Asus P35 P5K-E/WiFi .|. 4GB 1066MHz Geil Black Dragon RAM .|. Samsung F60 SSD .|. Corsair H50-1 Cooler .|. Sapphire 4870 512MB .|. Lian Li PC-A70B .|. Be Queit P7 Dark Power Pro 850W PSU .|. 24" 1920x1200 DGM (MVA Panel) .|. 24" 1920x1080 Dell (TN Panel) .|.
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dytopia
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7. July 2008 @ 18:57 |
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It doesent say the # of supported devices for the motherboard, I need at least two for the DVD-RW and the Hard Drive, everything else on the list im pretty sure dosent take up a slot, a third slot would help a lot because I might get an extra hardrive at some point
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7. July 2008 @ 19:25 |
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Taking into reason some of your choices dytopia I have compiled a complete machine on newegg.com let me know what you think.
For the motherboard and videocard I went with eVGA for both. The reason being that there products are of exceptionally high quality and both the motherboard and videocard are covered by a full lifetime warranty if you register the products with eVGA. And considering you want are going to do some heavy gaming the fact that this board supports SLI is a plus and this motherboard is reckoned to be one of the best mobo's for overclocking! And the videocard is brand spanking new and hands down the fastest product on the market. The motherboard is $260 and the videocard is $540.
eVGA 780i SLI mobo (2 time winner of neweggs customer choice award)
eVGA GTX 280 videocard
At first I was going to go with one of the new intel quad-core cpu's (teh Q9300 2.5Ghz @ $250)but I opted to go with a higher clocked dual core as you net more performance now and don't rely on the ability to overclock the quad core for higher speeds. So for $190 your getting a easy overclockable Intel E8400 thats already @ 3.0Ghz.
CPU Specs
PC Power and Cooling is easily the best PSU company. For $160 your getting a 750 watt PSU capable of driving four graphics cards and still has a 80 percent efficiency rating. It is a very capable PSU and I have had a similar model for 6 years and have had zero problems. If your not sure about this company reputation/quality quality consider in one of the leading PC magazines(Maximum PC)they annualy build a "Dream Machine" and the PSU company of choice for all there top end equipment? PC Power and Cooling.
PSU Specs.
For memory I went with Corsair. The sticks linked to below are DDR2 800 speed, $75, and are on the eVGA certified memory list for this motherboard.
Memory Specs.
For the case I opted for a Antec Nine Hundred @ $119. It is a very capable case and one of if not the best case for use with air-cooled systems.
Case Specs.
For the rest I spec'ed out a 500 GB SeaGate SATA harddrive for $80 w/ a 5 year warranty, two LG IDE DVD Burners for $24 each;went with 2 because it is a really handy to have 2 drives, and a $6 tube of Artic Silver 5 thermal paste.
This PC is compromised of the latest and greatest parts on the market, and includes everything you need to get started for $1,477.91 and thats before any mail in rebates. In a earlier post you asked about the IDE ports on a motherboard, there is one IDE port on this board which supports up to two devices, which would be the dual dvd burners. IDE harddrives are old and pretty much defunct, SATA is the new connection for harddrives. It is MUCH fast and prices for SATA harddrives are no different then IDE drives, if anything there cheaper. This board has 6 SATA ports, so you could connect up to 6 HD's.
I didn't include the Thermalright 120-Extreme heatsink because I couldn't find it but expect to spend another $50-70 for it.
"Some people have no damn sense." - Nephilim, March 27 2007 @ 18:08
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dytopia
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7. July 2008 @ 20:28 |
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Looks good, but id prefer 4gb ram than 2gb.
Seems quite pricey with the S&H plus the taxes, would you mind telling me the major differences with this machine and the other one made?
Because to be honest I dont know much about all this..
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7. July 2008 @ 20:47 |
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I'll explain shortly, I got to leave for 30-45 minutes. brb.
"Some people have no damn sense." - Nephilim, March 27 2007 @ 18:08
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dytopia
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7. July 2008 @ 21:33 |
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Gah, I live in Canada =/
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Does Newegg.com ship internationally?
Newegg.com does not currently ship internationally; we only deliver to locations within the United States and to Puerto Rico.
what about this quote taken directly from there website, unless you have a newegg canada site?
EDIT: source - http://www.newegg.com/HelpInfo/FAQDetail.aspx?Module=4
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7. July 2008 @ 23:02 |
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lol, that took a lot longer than expected. Alright, as for 4Gb of memory. That is really overkill, unless you plan on running a 64 bit OS. Any modern version of windows is most likely a 32-bit OS. Due to the way a 32-bit OS maps (read: distributes) memory the system can never fully take advantage of 4Gb in most cases 3Gb is what the system displays as usable memory and in some cass 3.5Gb is shown. Now why not just go to a 64-bit OS right? I mean you can then use upwards of 8Gb's! The reason is software support. Updates for 64-bit software/drivers/etc. is far and few between. And in all honesty 2Gb of memory is plenty for todays programs and games. Now if you plan to install a version Windows Vista instead of XP Home/Pro then it may be worth upgrading to Vista 64 bit if your addiment on using 4Gb otherwise XP works just fine with 2Gb.
For the differences between the machines. They come down to this....
For the PSU's...
*Not counting mail in rebates, the PC Power and Cooling offers a better value. Using a simple price/watts formula to purchase the Corsair PSU would cost you .23 cents per watt were as the PC Power and Cooling costs .21 cents per watt.
*It does not use modular plugs, which increase resistance and potential for electrical mishaps.
*It features one solid +12 volt rail. Many PSU's, such as this corsair unit, feature "multiple +12 volt rails". This is a bad design for a high end PSU. The way a single high-output +12 volt rail works is that is has lets say 60 amps to distribute so if only 1 piece of hardware is utilizing the rail it has access to all 60 amps. With multiple rails the power from the +12 volt output is split between however many rails there are. So 60 amps between three rails equates to roughly 20 amps per +12 volt line. So if you only have 1 high power draw piece of hardware it is limited to the 20 amps available to its rail and the power delivered to the other +12 volt rails sits there unaccessible and unused. But with a single +12 volt rail this piece of high power drawing hardware has the ability to use the full 60 amps should it need it.
For the motherboards...
*first and foremost is the warranty. Gigabyte to the best of my knowledge offers a 3 year warranty. eVGA a full lifetime warranty for the life of the board. nForce chipsets are touted as "performance/gaming oriented" and "power user" chipsets, while as the chipsets from intel commonly fall behind in various benchmarks.
*the gigabyte only sports 1/one PCI-Express x16 connection which kills any possibilities of dual videocard setups/upgrades. The eVGA board sports 3 pci-x x16 slots for the ability to use 1,2, or 3 graphics cards in unison via S.L.I. technology.
*Gigabyte has 8 Sata ports the eVGA has 6. I consider this a moot point as filling up 6/8 SATA ports means the ability ot use 6-8 terabytes worth of harddrive space and how soon is any home user going to use that much?
*the eVGA board has dual ethernet plugs, which are handy in some cases. I for one use port 1 as my internet port and then have a router acting as a wifi expander hooked up to the 2nd port. So I use port 1 and any traffic coming in over my wifi access point gets routed through the 2nd port, to the first, and then to the router. the feature is mostly useless but quite handy in some cases.
For the processors....
*Well Intel is definetly the company to look to for high performance parts. And the CPU is a toss-up. The quad-core offers brute multi-core performance best for video encoding/editing and all other types of multimedia work. Unless you are either very confident in your overclocking ability or are willing to spend around a $1,000 on a CPU quad-core speeds usually come in around 2.4-2.6 Ghz for $200.
Dual Core cpu's on the other hand will spank a quad-core cpu in just about any modern game, they however faulter to quad-core cpu's in multimedia work. Another thing is that for about the same price ($10 less actually) of a 2.4Ghz quad-core a 3.0Ghz dual-core can be had. Both processors work in both motherboards so it's your choice. I myself have the Q6600 in my machine. I do a lot of gaming but also do a LOT of video/audio work with apps that scale well with 4 cores. It does well in gaming but for the same amount of money I spent a faster dual core could have been bought that would be better for games.
For the videocards....
*Here is a paragraph from the conclusion of a article from pc news site Anandtech were a comparison was done between a single AMD/ATI Radeon HD 4850 and a single nVidia GTX 280...
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A pair of Radeon HD 4850s can come close to the performance of a GeForce GTX 280, and a pair of Radeon HD 4870s are faster across the board - not to mention that they should be $50 less than the GTX 280 and will work on motherboards with Intel-chipsets. Quite possibly more important than the fact that AMD's multi-GPU strategy has potential is the fact that it may not even be necessary for the majority of gamers - a single Radeon HD 4850 or Radeon HD 4870 is easily enough to run anything out today.
So this conclusion paragraph essentially states that...
*2 Radeon HD 4850's come close to the performance of a single nVidia GTX 280 and it takes 2 HD 4870's to beat a single GTX 280
*nVidia parts offer more performance now
*1 GTX 280 is more powerful than 2 HD 4850's so the need to upgrade is lessened/shortened.
*If 1 HD 4850 is "easily enough to run anything out today" then 1 GTX 280 should be able to play all these games faster/at a higher level of quality then the HD 4850 parts. And with the ability to daisy-chain multiple cards the performance gap just keeps increasing.
"Some people have no damn sense." - Nephilim, March 27 2007 @ 18:08
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