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DVD to DVD -R Copying
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Jono
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2. January 2002 @ 05:54 |
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New Starter !! Please be gentle
I've Just purchase a new Panasonic DVD DM20 Recorder and I'm looking to copy my DVD collection to blank DVD-R but it's coming up on the screen that this is illegal operation is there a way of overwriting this ? does any one know how to copy encrypted transmittions ? i.e box office etc ?
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2. January 2002 @ 06:03 |
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I assume that DM20 is a stand-alone DVD recorder? It has the same functionality as the regular VCR has -- if it detects Macrovision copy protection signal in the video, it refuses to record the video. And _all_ the DVD discs have Macrovision copy protection.
So, what you need to do is to get a hack for your DVD player -- the source player, not the recorder -- that gets rid of the Macrovision code. Most of the "mods" that make your DVD player region-free also do this.
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Jono
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2. January 2002 @ 07:08 |
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The source player is a Sony with a MOD chip that removes macrovision and plays multi region. I can record from the source to a video player ok but not to the DVD Recorder.
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syko
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17. March 2002 @ 10:22 |
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Hi There, I am having the same problem with my set up, no problem copying to VCR from my moded pioneer dvd deck but the panasonic refuses the output..any ideas anybody?
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A_Klingon
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20. March 2002 @ 02:29 |
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Macrovision exists (by law) in the *circuitry* of all legal DVD players. To the best of my knowledge, the dvd disc itself doesn't have macrovision-encoded video, just "trigger bits" (a "flag") which instructs the dvd player's macrovision circuit to kick-in and manually screw up the video once it detects you have a vcr hooked up.
That is why you can make vhs tape copies - because the mod chip disables the trigger bits sent from the dvd disc TO the dvd player's mac chip.
There are also, unfortunately, special trigger bits that legal dvd players (must by law) send out which are recognized (by law) by *all* legal standalone dvd recorders. By hook or crook, by one method or another, whether ethical or not, you're going to need a mod that will disable *those* particular flags before you can make straight, real-time dvd dubs.
(I could be wrong about all of this but I don't think so). Hollywood has made it virtually impossible to get around this problem which is much tougher to circumvent than macrovision.
They (Hollywood/MPAA etc) are hoping to futher CRIPPLE future dvd standalone recorders in any other way they possibly can.
Good Luck.
-- K.A. --
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20. March 2002 @ 03:11 |
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One suggestion though, even that this method requires a conversion from digital -> analog. Rip the movie to HDD with SmartRipper, enable "Macrovision off" and use your video cards TV out and play the movie with your computer and record that using your DVD recorder.
Luckily Macrovision/region codes/etc crap can still be removed in Europe (up until end of this year, when EUCD kicks in) legally.
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ddepuemd
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20. March 2002 @ 03:30 |
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Hey guys!
Here's what you do - use SmartRipper or DVDDecrypt to rip the DVD to your hard disk. Use DVD2AVI to create a project and a WAV file. Use TMPGenc to re-encode. Use SpruceUp to create a DVD compliant format and burn to your DVD-R. If SU doesn't support the burner you have, try using Nero.
This process works great - I have successfully backed up ALL my DVD's.
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20. March 2002 @ 03:35 |
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ddepuemd: Ehh?
We're talking about _stand-alone DVD recorders_ here -- we've got tons of threads covering DVD -> DVD-R copying with PC's DVD-R drives, but the problem is now with stand-alone recorder (you know, those ~$1000 thingys you plug into your TV).
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dvdprobem
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3. August 2002 @ 09:18 |
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Help : SO does anyone out there have a clue on how to disable the "triggers" inside dvd recorders? Lastly, is it cheaper and or easier to back up dvd's via pc (and what would i need)?
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Homemaint
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4. August 2002 @ 09:24 |
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Another option is to purchase a REGION FREE player. Check them out on Ebay and put region free dvd in the search area and see what comes up. Also you can check them all out by using a seach engine (your choice) and just put in the same as above.
Best of luck
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mrolsen
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21. August 2002 @ 16:26 |
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A_Klingon
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21. August 2002 @ 19:41 |
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I would be *very* careful before plunking down my money for the unit mentioned above.
I bought exactly the same unit (exactly the same top panel promissory text & block diagram) and it wasn't worth a damn. However.....
The blurb says the unit has been 'modified'. Well I hope so, because in it's original condition, it's useless.
Specifically, I'd watch, and be wary of, all the disclaimers mentioned, i.e. :
** "This unit has been modified for the DMR-E20 Recorder".
Well, I don't know what the DSMR-E20 is, but there's a whole lot of other vcrs out there besides that one particular model.
** "Works with all VCRs except JVC."
Well, ok, if you don't have a JVC, but if it's works for some, it ought to work for all, unless there's something proprietary about JVCs.
** "You will still need a modified Daewoo or other modified DVD Player".
(???) Huh???
Well, that's the killer line. One mod's bad enough, why would I want/need to pay for two?
I wouldn't buy it if I were you. In addition to the modified stabalizer, you'll need to have a 'modified' dvd player. It's not worth having to modify your dvd player (if you can find someone to do it), *plus* buy the stabalizer.
If you're going to pay someone to modify your dvd player, you may as well get him/her to do it right, and knock out the macrovision circuit *altogether*, and then you won't need the stabalizer _at all_.
Plus, please note:
These units do *not* remove macrovision. What they do is to "mask" or minimize the *effects* of macrovision (and very poorly too)AFTER they have already occurred from within your dvd player itself. In my experience, I have always found the resultant vhs copy to still look pretty damn crummy. (Dark, dismal, grey, grungy, not all pleasant...).
If the macrovision flags on your dvd disc instructs your dvd player to use the lesser version of macrovision (there are at least 2 layers of mac, or even three), then your vhs tapes will suck. They will be viewable, but they will suck.
If the trigger bits tell your dvd player's macrovision circuit to use the more powerful 'Color Stripe 2' type of macrovision, (most dvds *do*), then you're completely out of luck. You will get thin horizontal lines running laterally across your taped copy, in effect, destroying it.
Honestly, I've had dealings with the unit mentioned above - it's no good.
The only only only only way to truly get rid of macrovision from a dvd player, is to either have the circuitry physically excised from the circuit board (and still fool the player's logic circuitry to 'believe' it's still in operation), *OR* block the damn trigger bits from ever reaching the mac chip in the first place (so that it will not turn on).
My .02c-worth. (Or a buck-&-a-half I suppose) :-)
-- KlingonAgent --
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Vinster
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23. August 2002 @ 00:20 |
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Your going down the wrong route guys - its not just Macrovision its CSS protection too - and its all built into the DVD Disc not the Hardware (because that way they can increase the strength, add new possibilities to it etc rather than be stuck with something once hacked is always hacked!)
There are various devices out there to sit between the box and the recorder that remove the macrovision (basically noise), remove the CSS (digital signals) etc. but they are not really tried and tested.
Also, remember that companies like DeccaVision, Bush, Goodmans, Johns Corner Shop DVD PLayers all have to have some sort of "Region Free" "Macrovision disabled" features built in because they probably stock all DVD players in one area of the world to ship out to various Regions, and also because thats the best way for them to survivie in the consumer world.
People like Sony, Toshiba, Panasonic, Philips etc have all put a lot of money into the developing of DVD's (Blue and Red Laser), and therefore will try and make the Region restrictions as adhereable as possible - simple hacks simpy won't suffice.
At the end of the day, using the variable power and options of your PC is far better (and cost effective) method of backing up your DVD collection - and we know its achievable.
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23. August 2002 @ 01:17 |
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Thank God, circumventing region locks is legal in most of the western countries (AFAIK, not in the U.S. though) -- just read a short article from BBC.co.uk that nowadays over 90% of UK DVD players are sold as region-free anyway.
I heard from some of our user that in Australia, it is _illegal_ to sell DVD players that are region locked :-)
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23. August 2002 @ 01:31 |
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Actually, it is an ongoing court case at the moment that the whole Region locking of both players and discs are an infringement on your purchasing rights, and therefore totally illegal.
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Vinster
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23. August 2002 @ 01:34 |
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Note: US Court
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23. August 2002 @ 01:36 |
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Ah, thanks for the info. And I look into the edit msg issue, I've probably f*cked up something when I made changes to the forum software couple of days ago.
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Vinster
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23. August 2002 @ 01:41 |
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No problem, but what have I said before? You just can't get the staff now-a-days ;)
I work for a legal company so I'll ask our Library to look at any judgements made to do with DVD's and Region codings, see what they come back with - i'll post here (of course :) )
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23. August 2002 @ 08:27 |
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Does anyone know where I can get very descriptive (Baby steps)directions on how to copy my dvd's using a PC. Any help is greatly appreciated.
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23. August 2002 @ 08:58 |
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aaaaa: You failed kinda miserabely to read the rules, FAQs and our article section. Bye.
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brownstem
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1. October 2002 @ 19:06 |
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Hi, there is a truly simple answer to this...get an Apex 1500 and flash the firmware. It removes ALL copy protection and region garbage, producing a clean digital signal that your Panasonic will eat up. I've copied dozens of commercial dvds, the only drawback being the Panasonic (like all set-top decks so far) can't maintain 5.1 audio, only 2-channel Dolby Digital stereo.
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uncow
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18. October 2002 @ 18:46 |
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I'm looking at the APEX on ebay now, but i never heard of 'firmware' before now. Is the APEX the only player that will accept the firmware? thanx
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19. October 2002 @ 01:08 |
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uncow: Every single DVD player in the world has firmware -- it's like player's BIOS, that contains the "operating system" of the player.
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uncow
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19. October 2002 @ 14:55 |
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Ok, is there any firmware for the DMR-HS2 to remove the macrovision etc.?
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19. October 2002 @ 15:01 |
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I seriously suggest you not to push it within this thread, but begin a new thread with an appropriate topic and post it to our DVD hardware forum instead.
Gonna close this now.
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