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4. May 2008 @ 13:49 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by im1992:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Looking on google a bit, I see that my board, The P5K-E has Vdroop problems. There is a pencil mod: http://www.overclock.net/motherboard-vol...k-e-pencil.html But I really don't understand what they did if anybody could clarify it for me. Secondly, I set the voltage to 1.5 in the BIOS and I see 1.45 with Speedfan Idle. I have to head out somewhere so I didn't test under load. I also read that Auto in the BIOS will automatically give voltage to the CPU depending on the speed. Is that true? Please help me, Im awesome at building computers and messing with the internals of Windows XP but I can't do a simple thing as overclocking :(
the "auto" voltage will be far too high than the cpu really needs. i do not recommend using the "auto" setting on a voltage as important as the cpu core.
Actually I had it at auto to start off with and it didn't have enough voltage.
oh, well i am wrong
On my asus when i set it to auto, it gave the cpu 1.45v
And when i manually set the cpu to 1.15v, it still worked at the same overclock w/o any stability issues.
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4. May 2008 @ 18:55 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
My questions. Why is the voltage not reported as what I set it to?
Would a better fan help my overclocking?
Why is 3.07 the highest stable I can get, I see people going to 3.6 on air.
This is normal, or so common w/ all the major brands I OC with. It's the voltage drop and do note, other then the ASUS (P35/X38/X48) most often have a further voltage drop under load as wee, know around the OC world as vdroop. So make usre to set in CMOS enough to make up for what is needed in acutal 100% loading. Most Gigabyte I used need a bit more then others. You are on ASUS and if not the P35, may not have the BIOS fix for zero out load line caliratrion (no vdroop). ASUS and DFI used to add a natural vboost to off set it before using loadline cal. Older ASUS on S478 actually had own vboost under loading to make up for drop in CMOS.
And yes a better fan and heatsink will help any OC. Lot on other forums easily get 3.6+ on air easy. I get an average of 3.8 and upto 4.0 on air with Q6600 and E6750 mouch easier.
And YES, the pencle mod for pre- loadline cal models worksa fine. And Auto voltages is also much more then most mobos need, especially the newer ASUS. They ten to overvolt a tad too, so always check in Power Management to confirm.
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4. May 2008 @ 19:17 |
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I don't know if the P5E has loadline calibration or not but I enabled it on my rampage formula and the vdroop is now almost non-existant. you still need to check it in hardware monitor as it is still not the same as I set it in extreme tweaker. I have it set at 1.36875v in extreme tweaker and it shows up as 1.352v (actual) in hardware monitor. but with loadline calibration enabled it doesn't deviate from 1.35 even when fully loaded.
I read in a review for my mobo that said "do not enable loadline calibration. it can damage the cpu". I don't see why. if it's not enabled you have to set the vcore quit a bit higher to get the vcore you need under load due to vdroop. looks like a good feature to me.
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I have the Q6600 G0 stepping cpu @ 3.0 Ghz w/ 1.3825 volts. The temps I originally post (48-53 degrees cel.) are off I forgot to turn up my heatsink fan. So now the temps, with the higher fan speed, are at 45-47 degrees celsius for Core 1 and 2. And 40-43 deg. cel. for Core 3 and 4 at idle.
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Originally posted by PeaInAPod:
@im1992
Batch Code: L737B777
I have the Q6600 G0 stepping cpu @ 3.0 Ghz w/ 1.3825 volts. The temps I originally post (48-53degrees) are off I forgot to turn up my heatsink fan. So now the temps are at 45-47 degrees fahrenheit for Core 1 and 2. And 40-43 deg. fah. for Core 3 and 4 at idle.
I think you mean celsius. the cores can't be colder than ambient temp w/air cooler. you don't keep the room at 40F do you?
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4. May 2008 @ 21:04 |
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Originally posted by PeaInAPod:
@im1992
Batch Code: L737B777
I have the Q6600 G0 stepping cpu @ 3.0 Ghz w/ 1.3825 volts. The temps I originally post (48-53degrees) are off I forgot to turn up my heatsink fan. So now the temps are at 45-47 degrees fahrenheit for Core 1 and 2. And 40-43 deg. fah. for Core 3 and 4 at idle.
thanks for the information
i really appreciate it!
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4. May 2008 @ 21:07 |
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Originally posted by NuckNFuts:
Originally posted by core2kid:
My questions. Why is the voltage not reported as what I set it to?
Would a better fan help my overclocking?
Why is 3.07 the highest stable I can get, I see people going to 3.6 on air.
This is normal, or so common w/ all the major brands I OC with. It's the voltage drop and do note, other then the ASUS (P35/X38/X48) most often have a further voltage drop under load as wee, know around the OC world as vdroop. So make usre to set in CMOS enough to make up for what is needed in acutal 100% loading. Most Gigabyte I used need a bit more then others. You are on ASUS and if not the P35, may not have the BIOS fix for zero out load line caliratrion (no vdroop). ASUS and DFI used to add a natural vboost to off set it before using loadline cal. Older ASUS on S478 actually had own vboost under loading to make up for drop in CMOS.
And yes a better fan and heatsink will help any OC. Lot on other forums easily get 3.6+ on air easy. I get an average of 3.8 and upto 4.0 on air with Q6600 and E6750 mouch easier.
And YES, the pencle mod for pre- loadline cal models worksa fine. And Auto voltages is also much more then most mobos need, especially the newer ASUS. They ten to overvolt a tad too, so always check in Power Management to confirm.
My board is not the P35 but my chipset IS the P35. Is there any mods I could do to the board? I will be picking up another fan for myself. Whats your recommendation? $40 or below please.
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4. May 2008 @ 21:13 |
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4. May 2008 @ 21:18 |
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@mort81
Thanks for catching that mistake. Will change it now to avoid confusion for any other readers.
@im1992
No problem, glad to help. Also I can post all the BIOS settings I used if you want.
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4. May 2008 @ 21:37 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Here is a vdroop mod for your board. Just get a pencil and shade in the part indicated.
http://www.overclock.net/motherboard-vol...il.html
That's all I have to do? Just shade that part? How does that help, what does the graphite in the pencil actually do? What if I shade the wrong thing by mistake, My board is the Wifi/AP Edition.
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4. May 2008 @ 21:50 |
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Originally posted by PeaInAPod:
@im1992
No problem, glad to help. Also I can post all the BIOS settings I used if you want.
that would be awesome if you could do that!
-thanks
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4. May 2008 @ 22:10 |
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The graphite lowers the resistance of the resistor I believe. I would suggest that you find the exact place and pencil it in. I don't know what happens when you do it to the wrong place. Most of the times nothing happens, but there is potential to screw something up. So find the right spot and then do it. If something doesn't match up then don't try it. Pencil it a lot, a little bit wont do anything.
That's the correct mod for YOUR board. It says it works with all kinds of P5K motherboards.
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4. May 2008 @ 23:41 |
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BTW I tried the vdroop mod for my board(GA-P35-DS3R Rev2) and my voltage usually dropped .03v from idle to load, but after penciling it in it only drops .01 AT MOST, usually I have no vdroop.
Also to be noted is that conductive ink or solder is recommended for this mod, they say pencil doesn't quite work as good. So if I use conductive pen or solder I'm pretty much guaranteed 0 vdroop. I think it's time to bust out the soldering iron.
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5. May 2008 @ 00:07 |
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Originally posted by Mort81:
I don't know if the P5E has loadline calibration or not but I enabled it on my rampage formula and the vdroop is now almost non-existant. you still need to check it in hardware monitor as it is still not the same as I set it in extreme tweaker. I have it set at 1.36875v in extreme tweaker and it shows up as 1.352v (actual) in hardware monitor. but with loadline calibration enabled it doesn't deviate from 1.35 even when fully loaded.
I read in a review for my mobo that said "do not enable loadline calibration. it can damage the cpu". I don't see why. if it's not enabled you have to set the vcore quit a bit higher to get the vcore you need under load due to vdroop. looks like a good feature to me.
ASUS P5K Deluxe/Premium, P5E/E3 Deluxe/Premium, ROG Maximus/Rampage Formula all have Loadline Cal to my personal experience. It was never stated that it levels out the CMOS v/s actual, just actual loade line (vdroop. Most ASUS regulars know by know they tend yto need more setting v/s read out and yet tend to overvolt the rest of the mobo.
Interesting, on the review you mention. Maybe it has something to do with x48 and certain 45n, cause I can speak from personal experience with several CPU core 2's that enabled for over 1 yr + that it is fine and 3 w/ nominal raised vcores to 1.48v. Same is said for high PLL, yet I ran these same CPU's to 1.632 1.5 yrs on E6600/Q6600 and 10 months for 2 E6750's.
Originally posted by core2kid:
My board is not the P35 but my chipset IS the P35. Is there any mods I could do to the board? I will be picking up another fan for myself. Whats your recommendation? $40 or below please.
P35 "chipset" ye that's what I meant. I did hear a lot of ASUS P35 (chipst) user w/o Loadline using the pencle mod. I cant think of any ASUS P35 based mobo for $40.00 or less. maybe a Gigabyte. Some of our other helpfull members may know more in the Gigabyte entr level offerings.
EDIE: vmods, I forgot to mention, soldering mod is better, but is harder to get rid of if you need to RMA as it can void your warrenty. Pencil mod can be removed neatly. just use soft lead and a steady trace of it. If over time it wears down, just add more.
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Who has found a good vdroop mod for the P35C-DS3R? is it the same fo rthe X38-DQ6? The vdroop on these is easily upto +0.06v at certain FSB over 500mHz.
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I think the vdroop mod for the GA-P35C-DS3R is the same as my boards. Why don't you try it out?
Note: The circuitry in my board is not EXACTLY like the one in the pic, but it's close. I still found that part you had to shade in, and it worked! So if it's a little different, don't worry. If you can find the area marked then just try penciling it. Worst comes to worst all you have to do is take the graphite off with the eraser.
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5. May 2008 @ 01:13 |
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Cool, thankx for the pic. It looks like if I can nip the vdroop in the bud, and retire an extra E6750 to this boi, it is actually gonna make a good HTPC secondary rig.
Can any of you Gigabyte P35(any version) confirm the actual or read out voltages for each FSB9(VTT) PCI-E and MCH as used when set to each of +1,+2, & +3? If I remeber, +0.3 equaled almost 1.55 on NB More then I needed for 500FSB in 1:1 w/ DDR2000 or DDR1800 on divider. Also vdimm is out of wack from DDR2 to DDR3. Hard to get it to stay around 2.22v. 8 months ago, Everest wasnt reading out for this mobo so I had no NB, or SB or other then vdimm as recent as v4.20.xx last year.
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5. May 2008 @ 02:56 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
BTW I tried the vdroop mod for my board(GA-P35-DS3R Rev2) and my voltage usually dropped .03v from idle to load, but after penciling it in it only drops .01 AT MOST, usually I have no vdroop.
Also to be noted is that conductive ink or solder is recommended for this mod, they say pencil doesn't quite work as good. So if I use conductive pen or solder I'm pretty much guaranteed 0 vdroop. I think it's time to bust out the soldering iron.
Kiss goodbye to the board if you start to bridge it with solder!
People should also try to research what what vdroop is before trying to correct it, it is built in 'as per Intel design' for a reason (a pretty obvious one at that)when you've looked it up you may reconsider doing it.
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5. May 2008 @ 06:12 |
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Well other people have done it without any adverse effects. Maybe conductive ink then?
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5. May 2008 @ 08:03 |
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Can anybody take a picture of the whole board with the area where the vdroop mod goes circled? Im having a hard time figuring out where the zoomed in picture of the board is located.
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5. May 2008 @ 09:07 |
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Look around the CPU socket and find a chip labeled korea.
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i looked around but didnt see any stickys for beginners, can anyone point me in the right direction?
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5. May 2008 @ 12:02 |
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Originally posted by homesick:
i looked around but didnt see any stickys for beginners, can anyone point me in the right direction?
Go down to the corner stop light and make a right.... there you are where ever you are. LOL.
Right direction in what??
IF it's OC'in then post your specs and such. That'll help us determine where you need to go. ;)
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5. May 2008 @ 12:54 |
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ok AMD athlon 64 x2 dual core processor 6400+ 3.21 Ghz
2 gb dual channel mem cas lat of 3
FSB 1000MHz HyperTransport
North Bridge NVIDIA GeForce 6100 /nForce 405 chipset
400watt psu. not that great i know
msi Model K9N6SGM-V mb
bought a barebones off newegg.
secondly i should add i am not looking to go all out, i just want to bump it up a lil. i want to play it as safe as possible, without staying the same :)
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5. May 2008 @ 13:09 |
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Originally posted by NuckNFuts:
Can any of you Gigabyte P35(any version) confirm the actual or read out voltages for each FSB9(VTT) PCI-E and MCH as used when set to each of +1,+2, & +3? If I remeber, +0.3 equaled almost 1.55 on NB
i didnt have to touch mine to get 500fsb and +1 gets me 535 which is when my ram falls over (dam 2gb stix) but i will check next time i have mine open. do you know where i can read them on mine?
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5. May 2008 @ 15:27 |
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Originally posted by homesick:
i should add i am not looking to go all out, i just want to bump it up a lil. i want to play it as safe as possible, without staying the same :)
It may not be the best OC'n board out there, but for being an ASUS, it's gonna' give you a few decent options. The 6400+ as I mention (the BE edition for mine) can OC, but not w/o some vcore and cooling. Add a good cooler like the ThermalRight Ultra 120 Extreme, 1/4 the cost most will drop for a 2nd video card or equal to a new game, and you can at least get the CPU up if only on the high 16x with decent RAM and HTT. I'd guess 3.4GHz easy at around 1.472v (actual). It can go further w/ that cooler, but at least you get the balance of cool & quiet.
Originally posted by marsey99:
i didnt have to touch mine to get 500fsb and +1 gets me 535 which is when my ram falls over (dam 2gb stix) but i will check next time i have mine open. do you know where i can read them on mine?
Wow, I had to use +0.2 to keep it stable and w/ added mosfet cooling for daily 485x8 @ 5:6(3.88GHz/DDR1165) Also using Intel SATA Raid 0 so SB needed more stability at increased PCIE. I dont know yet where to read but I do have some research to go through and can let you know as for the vcore/vdimm/and such. I thought maybe some of it is detected by Everest now.
Sony PSP/PS3,
ASUS RAMPAGE II EXTREME(X58) w/ i7 930 DO @ 4.305GHz (205x21 @ 1.323v) 2:8 DDR1680 @ 6-6-6-18
ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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