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The Official PC building thread!
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jonni3
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27. September 2005 @ 00:16 |
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Looks good, but the gpu link refers to a psu & theres no mobo link, unless you already have one ;)
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27. September 2005 @ 08:27 |
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Regarding the 'intel make faster processors to start with, so you don't need to overclock them, and they don't overheat so they last longer' argument, I'd want to say a word beginning with B and ending in S, but i shant.
I'll just say absolute rubbish.
Anything above a rated speed of 3200ish, AMD will definitely be faster BEFORE overclocking, and cooler - just see how hot dual core LGA775 CPUs run.... Scary.
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27. September 2005 @ 13:14 |
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AMD sweeps intel with a lower clock rate with "branchy code" with a shorter instruction pipeline. Intel and AMD come out the smae dollar for dollar with any other type of code like media encoding.
This is why AMD is huge with gamers, the CPU is better, at a lower clock rate, giving you extensive room to move way way up.
Intel CPUs are better, but only at a few and relatively insignificant things, playing back media, wow, ok.
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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AfterDawn Addict
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28. September 2005 @ 07:55 |
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Yeah playback, but that's hardly intensive.
Encoding is kind of shared between AMD and Intel. In some apps AMD thrashes intel and sometimes vice versa.
However, given that that field's even, add the advantage AMD has in gaming, and i believe that makes them the winners, surely?
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syntheti
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2. October 2005 @ 08:11 |
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got most of my new system in, the rest should be in mon-tues. all i need is my ram and burner
check out my sig for the details
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ChaseMc
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2. October 2005 @ 12:44 |
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Hi havent posted in a while but....
I have done the worst thing i bought a emachines computer lol, 300 bucks refurb 1 yr gauruntee, new hdd and such.
anyway, i wanted to put in a ati 700 256mb pci-express-16.
the emachines only have a 300w power would i need to buy a new power supply in order to use the card or what?...
also am looking to add more ram, wondering if i could keep in the 2x 256 and add 2x 512 for 512+1024= 1636. or do they all have to match? one last thing also i hear that emachines tend to get a little warm should i try putting in a diff fan it comes with a 120mm rear and then a 80mm on the psu. thanks for all your help.
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ddp
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2. October 2005 @ 12:51 |
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ChaseMc
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2. October 2005 @ 13:30 |
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yes sure its a pc-e 16, on a 939 socket board. has built in 128mb x300 built in, that site doesnt seem to have any options for a x700 pci-e 16 board only agp and regular pci. maybe i missed it it also has a amd 64 3200
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ChaseMc
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2. October 2005 @ 13:33 |
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posted early but still lost, looking at that site not in detail, just glancing the page linked, and the page linked after clicking amd. no pci-express 16 cards to reference, no ps/2 links to reference, and no 400mhz ddrram to reference, is there a more uptodte site like this?
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ddp
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2. October 2005 @ 13:38 |
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ChaseMc
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2. October 2005 @ 13:44 |
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sorry for multible posts, u know how u think u said all u need then something pops into your head later. Thought amybe the full specs from my computer would help other answer my questions.
cpu- amd 64 3200
hdd- random 160g 8mb buffer 7200rpm
optcial 1- off brand dvd +-w/rw
optical 2- 48x cd rom
3.5 inch- media card reader
MOBO- dunno, all i know is that it is a 939 socket with built in 128mb x200 or x300 vpu. and has 4 ram slots. built in ethernet and stuff. on board sound....
Ram- 2x256
psu- 300w w/ 80mm fan
cooling- rear 120mm fan
399 bucks! i thought it was a good deal since cyberpower sells a similar comp for near 600 bucks
oh and for some reason(like anyone has dial up anymore) it has a pci card for 56k modem lol.
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ChaseMc
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2. October 2005 @ 13:48 |
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sorry to post yet again lol, jsut wanted to thank you for the info and new link. it says i need a 267 at 80%(dont know what the 80%) means.
but since it says With the card, 267 do u think the stock 300 will work? or should i buy a 350 or 400
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ddp
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2. October 2005 @ 13:59 |
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i tried with the 100% & got 274 watts. if add 30% for powersurge when 1st starting up than is 356.2 watts. could try with stock but is your call. if get new psu than make certain will fit into your case & motherboard as some namebrand manufacturers like dell, ibm & hp/compaq make smaller size psu & 24pin power connector instead of 20pin connector.
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ChaseMc
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2. October 2005 @ 14:03 |
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kewl ty
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ddp
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2. October 2005 @ 14:21 |
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no problem, teach & learn
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6. October 2005 @ 05:56 |
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Oh, and above all if you're replacing a PSU, buy an expensive, high quality one. I'm adjusting my sig now to only include stuff that wasn't toasted by my balls PSU.
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Mr_Qz
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6. October 2005 @ 23:16 |
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AMD 2800+
Thermaltake BigWater
ASUS FX5990 ulta
ASUS A7N8X-X DUL Nforce2 Motherboard
pqI 1GB dual PC3200
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7. October 2005 @ 09:02 |
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Are you planning on overclocking that 4400 X2?
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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Mr_Qz
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7. October 2005 @ 16:50 |
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just wen im playin games.. to a (+300 MHz) = 2500 MHz thats better then a 4800+
just lookin for good coolin..
i dont trust water coolin anymore after it killed my other PC.. lol..
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AfterDawn Addict
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9. October 2005 @ 01:23 |
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Ouch, I wondered if anybody had ever had that problem with water cooling...
Still my rejection of it didn't succeed in keeping my PC alive....
Q-tec's now another copmpany on my 'never to buy from' list...
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DemonDog
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9. October 2005 @ 07:50 |
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Your selection of memory is far more limited if you're buying 1mb sticks, you'd be better off, performance wise buying 512mb sticks. And for DFI boards you need to get it right, they are notoriously tricky about which ram. In fact, if you haven't already, go to dfi-street.com and check out the forums, this site is just for DFI boards and has a couple of DFI representitives to help with the really hard questions. But you don't need to wait on them there are long threads with discussions on the ram needs for DFI boards. Many tens of thousands of posts just on DFI boards and their requirements.
I'm just starting on a AMD64x2 project and ordered the DDR600 sticks from Patriot they are Samsung TCCD's (like many of the good stuff) and are inexpensive. Other good brands of DDR600 memory at newegg are the G.Skill and OCZ. If you have any desire to overclock then you need fast memory. If you're not after some serious overclocking then the DFI board is overkill and more difficult to get right than the ASUS model, but the ASUS board is extremely limited for overclockers.
Also the DFI boards are POWER hungry especially with SLI cards, if you don't have a strong power supply you may have problems, again check out DFI-Street for suggestions. I went with the new OCZ Powerstream SLI 520watt, this thing weighs a ton, and is beautiful to boot. :) Also DFI boards REQUIRE the 24 bit power connector, this is a DFI manufacturer's requirement, not a mere suggestion.
DFI LanParty nF4 SLI mobo
eVGA 256mb GeForce 7800GT
OCZ PowerStream SLI 520Watts
AMD Athlon 64X2 3800+ 2500MHz (250x10)
1GB Patriot DDR600 (PC4800) mem
Boot Disk WD 74GB Raptor SATA
2 x Hitachi 250mb Deskstars SATA II, Raid 0
NEC ND 3540, BenQ DW1640, LiteOn 16P9S
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9. October 2005 @ 10:05 |
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With any thought of overclocking, buying the 4400+ X2 would be an example of the hugest noob mistake in computer hardware.
The 4800+ and 4400+ consist of two Toledo cores, the others, 4600 3800 4200, consist of two manchester cores. The Manchester cores have a lower transistor count than toledo and will clock fathoms better, and will not generate the kind of heat the toledo cores will.
The only difference your seeing is 512KB per core of cache, but clocking the CPU 200MHz on the X2 yields more performance than the extra cache would. Your best off getting the 4200+ and clocking it higher than you would clock the 4400+, you'll save money and gain performance.
This is just some professional advice, brought out to me by tomshardware. The site will have the transitor count and alot more info.
This post should be very fundamental to anyone claiming to be an overclocker or advanced computer users. (You know, when surveys ask you how you rate your computer knowlege, and you go for the top one, lol, I guess it is relative to the consumer group taking the survey etc.)
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
Xbox 360 GT: NEGATIVE 273K
My advice: Wait for PS3.
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DemonDog
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9. October 2005 @ 14:10 |
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Agreed that the 4400x2 is not the best choice for overclocking, for the reason you stated and because there have been reported "issues" with the memory controllers and those 1mb L2 caches when overclocked. The 3800 runs at a cool 2MHz and is routinely overclocked on DFI boards to 2.6 or higher depending on your cooling. And at $350 the 3800X2 cpu is a bargain, and isn't that part of overclocking's appeal, to make that econobox run like a scalded cat. I should be able to surpass the stock 4800X2 for half a grand less. Then we'll see how much time it saves on those DVDRebuilder/CCE encodes for backup purposes, CCE is supposed to be dual threaded.
DFI LanParty nF4 SLI mobo
eVGA 256mb GeForce 7800GT
OCZ PowerStream SLI 520Watts
AMD Athlon 64X2 3800+ 2500MHz (250x10)
1GB Patriot DDR600 (PC4800) mem
Boot Disk WD 74GB Raptor SATA
2 x Hitachi 250mb Deskstars SATA II, Raid 0
NEC ND 3540, BenQ DW1640, LiteOn 16P9S
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ChaseMc
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9. October 2005 @ 20:50 |
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Hi,
I was just here asking about power supplies. I havent upgraded my power supply yet. but was wondering how i could make my computer run faster, i dont oc, cause i dont know how and dont want to burn out my comp casue i messed up. I have recently aqquired a emachines t6212, has amd 3200+ 512mb ram 160g hdd, a mobo with ati on board 128 graphix(i know there aint many of those so maybe just saying that will help)and a cd rom. wondering if buying
Ultra Dual Channel 1024MB PC3200 DDR 400MHz Memory ( 2 x 512MB) - Premium Wood Box from tigerdirect.com would make it run faster.
or if anyone could give me info on how to overclock my cpu,and memory would be great. im not looking to spend alot of money but want to make my computer run the best for gaming. ty for any help.
Chase
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ChaseMc
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9. October 2005 @ 20:53 |
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also am i allowed to put my email on here for one post so some one could email me info? i read somehting on here about how someon got in trouble for something like that jsut want to know ahead of time.
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