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emachine
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2. July 2006 @ 18:31 |
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Ok I'm looking to build a PC my Dad would help me, but he's getting old so he dosn't no the good products.
So I game on PC alot... I'm wondering if I can get something that will play most the games if not all the PC games out. And will play msot games for about 3 years. Then I will be going to college and get another PC. So I would like to keep this under 1000 if at all posible. I'm not looking for show to much.
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3. July 2006 @ 01:58 |
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You won't have a CP that can run games well for 3 years for $1000, £1000 maybe, but not dollars.
If you can get a dual core CPU and 2GB RAM, that's important.
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3. July 2006 @ 08:26 |
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emachine , if you wait till the end of July the AMD 3800 x2 can be had for 169.00 dollars so that a good place to start
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3. July 2006 @ 08:44 |
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It sure can, but is that AM2 only or both sockets? Clearly if it was AM2 only then it'd make AM2 a better buy. However it'd make 939 totally redundant, which wouldn't be a good thing at all.
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3. July 2006 @ 09:07 |
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sammorris what did that video card run you price wise
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3. July 2006 @ 09:27 |
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An absolute fortune. Aria are pro-nvidia so ATI stuff always carries a bit of a premium, but in the UK prices are a lot higher anyway. The Sapphire X1900XT was £327 (since you get two full games and some software, I consider it's effective total cost around the £260 mark). At the current rate that works out at a pretty steep $601 (the former figure)
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3. July 2006 @ 09:31 |
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thats about what i payed for my video card but mines a 256mb compared to yours at a 512mb card . at this point theres not alot of games that you need the 512mb but you will be looking good for several years out with that card
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3. July 2006 @ 09:35 |
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That's my point. It's lovely to play games at 1920x1200x6x16 at max detail now, but the idea was I can still play games at at least 1280x1024 a little way down the line. I'll obviousl upgrade again before I'm limited to it being too slow, but with PS3.0, the ring bus architecture and the 48 pixel shaders, this sounds to me like a "gets faster with time" GPU, like my processor really!
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3. July 2006 @ 10:07 |
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Yeah, I'm not in a rush for time. So I can wait. So I have another ?. Why do intel seem to have higher ghz then amd, but amd is better? It confuses me...
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3. July 2006 @ 10:19 |
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the AMD 3800 would equal out to a Intel 3.8GHz its all about the clockspeed of the chip. iam sure sammorris can give more detailed info
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3. July 2006 @ 11:01 |
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As a matter of fact, with X2s, the speed is irrelevant, only for single cores does that hold true.
AMD have always followed the philosophy of getting a high level of performance out of a low clockspeed, hence saving energy.
The Athlon64 3200+ runs at 2.0Ghz, but will be equivalent to a 3.0Ghz traditional P4 (Northwood) or a 3.4Ghz later P4 (Prescott). Since it runs at 2Ghz, while it's just as fast, it's cooler and better! If you want to know why, it's due to innovations such as on-chip memory controllers, more efficient architecture, and hypertransport, all technologies that Intel COULD use, but don't.
X2s are two of normal Athlon64s. the 3800 is two 3200s (so although it's rated 3.8, it can effectively be up to 6.4) mine's two 3500s, the 44 is two 3700s, 46 is two 3800s, the 48 is two 4000s, the FX-60 is two FX-55 (4300)s, and the FX-62 is two FX-57s (4700s).
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3. July 2006 @ 13:26 |
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Ok that makes sense. So Whats a good mother board processer combo?
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3. July 2006 @ 14:01 |
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Any AMD Athlon64 X2 with any Asus A8N-SLi Series. I use a 4200+ with the basic SE version, and they rock!
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3. July 2006 @ 15:04 |
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Ok so I need a mother board that supports AMD 3800 x2 and a nivida card.
What card do you recomend? I really like nvida.
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3. July 2006 @ 15:52 |
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emachine ,this one ,NVIDIA Geforce-7800 GTX KO ACS-3 Edition{per my sig) is a very nice card. if you cant swing that one price wise go with the 7600
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3. July 2006 @ 20:14 |
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Is the new 7900 better? I can get a 512 for 450 on tiger direct.
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3. July 2006 @ 20:35 |
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Is the AM2 better then 939?
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3. July 2006 @ 21:56 |
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it is definitly future proof.. but performance wise.. it is below the 939 because it is more mature than the AM2. but overall i would go with the card sammorris has: X1900XT ! The pixel shaders help it greatly.. and a nice little duel'e like a 3800....
like.. look at my system.. i have the 3700 which is a 2.2 that has 1 mg of cache.. and i gig of ram is a must.. which you need PC3200 ram if you did not know..
they have a sell on the X1900XT going on a newegg for oa 1900 it is 350.00 :) sorry sammorris.. (arm and a leg later)... but with you i would prob go with the AM2 that was, you are not spending THAT much more 10.00- 20.00 between the 939 and AM2.. + it keeps you future proof.. or you can save the xtra and jsut overclock it.. uping the frequency.. like myne was a 2.2 but i overclocked it to a 2.6 400mgz for free..
you can get a cheap 3800 single core for 150.00 and a nice ASUS for like 100.00 and 1 gig of ram 100.00 plus the video 350.00 and the case which you said you did not really care about.. solid built cheap ones are like 50.00 and a good power supply.. 70.00
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825.00 and u can go from their.. i helped my friend build his.. so i hope i helped..
btw: the reason the Netburst architecture sucks so much, is because it is sooo ineficient.. so they add the clocks FREQUENCY to keep it (not tooo slow... ) so they were just going to gigahertz lead on amd's performance per clock..
Thanx Guys,
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3. July 2006 @ 22:51 |
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Nice lil mini guide! Thanks for the help! so I guess I'm waiting untill next month for the 3800x2 and im getting am2 so wat mother board is right for me?
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3. July 2006 @ 22:57 |
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that CPU will drop like the 25th of this month so 3 three weeks away.
the ASUS A8N32-SLI mobo are the ones to go with and the CORSAIR XMS for the memorey
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3. July 2006 @ 23:09 |
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I can't seem to find a mother board like that with am2?
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3. July 2006 @ 23:59 |
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the X1900XT's good (well, fantastic) but it's very expensive, unless you're after hardcore or serious futureproofing, you may want to go cheaper. 939 is better than AM2 at the moment as it is more experienced and has more technology out for it.
Go socket 939 with An Asus A8N-Sli series. The SE or premium are the better ones to have, the SE is good value and the Premium is well featured. For AM2, Asus make the M2N-SLi series, but considering how much they are for what you get, you want 939.
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4. July 2006 @ 00:22 |
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And is the 7900 512 better than the 7800?
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4. July 2006 @ 00:28 |
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4. July 2006 @ 00:32 |
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yeah thats a good mobo. the 7900 is better because of the 512mb compared to the 256mb with the 7800 but theres very few games that will run with the 512mb and there more pricey .you wont notice a difference beween the cards with the naked eye
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