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Overclocking AMD Athlon XP 2000
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Kamran
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25. May 2004 @ 11:40 |
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Thanks alot i will try that in a bit and i will tell you how it goes. I have 2 case fans, the power fan and the vpu fan do u think that will be enough or will i have to buy a new heatsink fan. mine was a oem athalon chip so the local shop got the cpu fan out of a new box i expect he bought cheap ones to save money but he puts them on higher athlons i think it will be enough. what the ideal temp it should be?
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Kamran
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25. May 2004 @ 12:41 |
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Well i overclocked it to xp2200+ and its running good so am gonna try 150. whats thes limit?
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hydr0
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25. May 2004 @ 12:52 |
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The limit is about 150, actually, honestly, I wouldn't go to 150...but, it's your computer, do whaty ou want, just be careful!
I think the highest you can get is like 70-90 degrees celcius...Mines running anywhere from 38-45 celcius..Not sure on the limit though, I can check up on it and post later on if I find out.
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Kamran
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25. May 2004 @ 13:36 |
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Yeah please can you check. Well i have it on 150 everything is running fine at the mo. i have 4 fans in total do u think thats ebough i will check my temp now and see what it is
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Kamran
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25. May 2004 @ 13:41 |
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well my cpu temp is 44 degrees celcius and m/b temp is 36 degrees is that good should i push it more?
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hydr0
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25. May 2004 @ 15:17 |
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The temperature is fine, don't push the CPU anymore, you might just burn it out if you try more. I read that when pushed over the 2300+ it burns out or doesn't work. I wouldn't do it if i were you :-P
I looked up maximum AMD CPU temps. It is as follows
150 degrees Fahrenheit = 65.5555556 degrees Celsius
No higher than 65 degrees celsius
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Kamran
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25. May 2004 @ 15:29 |
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Hydro i hahve pushed it to 2400+, 2046Mhz
Temp is fine
the number is 164
i put 165 and i wouldt boot
i checked my temp from the bios
how can i check the temp when its doing alot of stuff? I wanna check it from windows
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Kamran
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25. May 2004 @ 15:42 |
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I download Hmonitor and everything seems to be working great at 164. and i am going to leave i on overnight to check if its stable enough.
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hydr0
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25. May 2004 @ 16:05 |
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Wow, thats crazy..lol..I can't believe you've gotten it running that fast, watch out though, the higher you overclock your CPU, the less it has to live.
I use motherboard monitor to monitor my cpu temp.. It monitors my CPU and Case temp.
http://www.techwarelabs.com/downloads/?action=download&id=144
that is the link to motherboard monitor download.
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Kamran
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25. May 2004 @ 17:11 |
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well it got unstable at 165 so i am keeping it at 160 which means i have overclocked it from xp2000+ to xp2400+! well i was wondering how i can push it furder while keeping it stable? and how much is the cpu life shorten by overclocking
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Praetor
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25. May 2004 @ 19:32 |
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65degrees celsius is ok for those chips -- they can handle much more than that -- not that its a good thing but its nothing to panic over quite yet. :)
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hydr0
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25. May 2004 @ 20:56 |
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Dam, I can't even get mine overclocked to a 2300+. I put the freq. to 150 and I can't boot up
Doesn't matter to me though, it does what I need it to do fast enough. I'm planning on doing some upgrading soon anyway (new processor, another 512 of RAM, and an additional 160 gb hdd).
Good luck with your computer, and I'm not quite sure what you can do to make it more stable, I'm guessing thats as high as you'll get it, while keeping it stable at the same time.
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Kamran
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26. May 2004 @ 07:45 |
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well i set to 160 and its running great and its at 20-25 normal use temp and 45 in extreme use
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Praetor
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26. May 2004 @ 07:58 |
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well i set to 160 and its running great and its at 20-25 normal use temp and 45 in extreme use
You get 20-25°C off an AMD XP2000+ from regular use??????? If so, make sure you check/reinstall whatever system you've got to check temps cuz them Palo's get real hot real fast (i.e, boot temp of 38-46 depending on ambient). Got me a pair right here, one running a Volcano7+ and the other a Volcano11+ and can barely keep them below 50 during intensive work (ambient temperature ~25°).
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Kamran
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26. May 2004 @ 08:26 |
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Praetor did everything you told me and now taht i have had it on for a hour and been downloding and browsing the temp is at 34 for cpu and 37 for mainboard. is that good or is my software gone i dont think the software is because it shows the sames as the one in the bios. i was running max payne 2 with onboard graphics card yesterday and after a few hours of use it was at 45 i think which i think is good. how much is my cpu life shorten by overclocking it from xp2000+ to xp2400+ which am running now
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hydr0
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26. May 2004 @ 09:10 |
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how the hell is yours running so cool????? jesus
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Kamran
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26. May 2004 @ 09:50 |
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I guess my heatsink must be good and the extra 2 fans that came with my zorro case certainly help. my friend who is running a true xp2200+ temp went to 55 after a game of max payne 1 an dhe only has a normal case
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Praetor
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26. May 2004 @ 12:19 |
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hydr0:
You say you cant get yours to run XP2300+ (which i would assume to be ~1.9Ghz) -- what mobo you runnin?
Well I must say I am incredibly worried for your computer -- my Pentium3-800 doesnt run that cool (okay maybe it does but i have some tricked out cooling on it -- the stock variants dont reach those lows)
If you are running the ASROCK mobo from page 1 of this thread then if ASROCK is a subcompany of ASUS you might have a chance at the OC (does anyone know if ASROCK is a subcompany for ASUS?) and if so, you might want to use the ASUS Monitor tool to measure the temp of your stuff again. Unless you live in Syberia or Antarctica or something like that, your mobo temp should be in the 30°C range even if you only have onboard video which generates less heat.
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the number is 164
i put 165 and i wouldt boot
1. Well firstly, if you are running the same mobo as per page1 of this thread, that mobo has a 266FSB and you've effectively clocked it to 333FSB which is quite the heat banger.
2. What HSF do you have running?
3. For the record do you have a ThoroughbreadA or Palomino? There's a big difference in the heat output of those two families however the drop doesnt take one down to the 30°C arena. Since you said that you have a 266Mhz-based mobo, i will assume you are running the Palomino (which is a heat cannon)
To save everyone some work in looking stuff up, here's the low-down on the two variants of the XP2000+
Palomino XP2000+
Actual Speed: 1.67Ghz
FSB: 266Mhz
Multiplier: 12.5
Core Voltage: 1.75
Max Power Consumption: 70W
Process: 0.18micron
Max Voltage: 1.85
Maximum OC Potential 1.8Ghz (XP2200) << note that this is with some fancy ass cooling
Thoroughbread A XP2000+
Actual Speed: 1.67Ghz
FSB: 266Mhz
Multiplier: 12.5
Core Voltage: 1.60-1.65 depending
Max Power Consumption: 60W
Process: 0.13micron
Max Voltage: 1.80
Maximum OC Potential: 1.86Ghz (XP2200) << note that this is with some fancy ass cooling
Now unless you have your numbers mixed up or your software is messed up then I would hazard a guess that your actual thermal diode is cracked out -- touch the heatsink for a bit -- if you cant touch it comfortably for more than a short while then it is NOT running 30-35° -- you can hold on to a 30-35°C heatsink for damn near forever.
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I guess my heatsink must be good and the extra 2 fans that came with my zorro case certainly help. my friend who is running a true xp2200+ temp went to 55 after a game of max payne 1 an dhe only has a normal case
When I had my Palomino XP2100+ (its at home now so i cant verify) with a Volcano7+ HSF in the middle of winter -- with my window open 24-7 (hey -- im crazy) I kept a temp of 34-38° under mild duress. Come springtime i lived in the 40-44°C range. Middle of summer I was hitting 55°C on a daily basis with little or no stress (and thats with 10+ fans in the case) -- so check to see if the diode is reporting the proper temp cuz I dont think it is
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Kamran
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26. May 2004 @ 14:00 |
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Praetor am pretty sure my temp is correct, I have a picture if you want to see but i dont know how to upload it
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Praetor
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26. May 2004 @ 14:50 |
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Im not suggesting you are not reading the values correctly -- im suggesting that either the program itself is reporting incorrect values or thermal diode is messed up. -- i would know, my thermal diode is messed up and when i goto bios it keeps messing up between CPU and MOBO temps -- and has a 30°C fluctuation.
You havnt answered my question though: what heatsink-fan are you running on that? Cuz unless you got some form of peltier or water-rig in there, XP2000s dont run at those temperatures let along OCd Palominos (which you also didnt answer my question regarding).
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Kamran
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26. May 2004 @ 15:10 |
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I havent got a clue on what version am running and i also dont know which heatsink am using. Its probably a normal one for athlons up to 3000 i think.
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Praetor
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26. May 2004 @ 16:52 |
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In that case i can absolutely beyond a shadow of a doubt tell you that either the software is messed up or the thermal diode is on crack.
The stock AMD XP fans dont give temps in the range of 30-34°C -- even if you underclock the chips. You need fancy cooling to get that kinda temp -- not to mention that temperature under duress. Are you sure you dont have the CPU temp mixed up with the mobo temp? 30-34° is normal for mobo but certainly not for a stock-cooled Palomino chip.
Hydro said it best:
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Great to overclock, but be careful. I would be EXTREMELY CAUTIOUS if you are overclocking with a stock AMD HSF because when I had my stock fan, it ran about 20 degrees celcius warmer...actually I think it might have been around 70-80 celcius, and that is why I upgraded my fan...
EDIT: I just realized you said ur CPU runs 20-25 normal and 45 as a max (as opposed to 30-35 which i somehow interpreted) ... i can definitely tell you something is quite wrong. Even Pentium3 500s using 2 fans (the Slot P3s) werent that cool. Hell my Coppermine-800 boots up at 30ºC
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Unibonger
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27. May 2004 @ 02:35 |
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Here's a few overclocking tips , you guys are a daring bunch after reading your attempts , scary reading.
1st having a good sized heatsink and fan is great to handle the load but preparation will get you much farther.
I'm talking about Lapping the heatsink, most heatsinks come from the factory ill prepared for overclocking because the metal has grooves in it where it makes contact with the core of the cpu.
Where you have grooves you can get air pockets even after the thermal paste is applied(get rid of those thermal pads) Lapping is done by using progressively finer grades of sandpaper to create a mirror or near mirror finish on the bottom of the heatsink which is then placed on the core with a thinly applied high grade thermal paste like Artic Silver, or Shi Etsu doing this alone properly can knock your temps 10c or lower.
Another source of heat for overclockers is the North Bridge chipset, if it has a passive heatrsink on it you may be getting lots of heat there as well switching to an active cooling solution can help greatly.
For the older Athlon XP's "only" you may want to look at a thing I saw called a "speed strip" they are at places like frozencpu.com and a few other places average price is something like $12-$14 it unlocks the multiplier on the Athlons and is a very simple device to use.I'll be back with more tips when I can see straight
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Praetor
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27. May 2004 @ 03:02 |
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Another source of heat for overclockers is the North Bridge chipset, if it has a passive heatrsink on it you may be getting lots of heat there as well switching to an active cooling solution can help greatly.
1. Not neccesarily (and hence the reason bridge fans are omitted on ASUS boards) -- often you will find that if there is a fan there, dust has a tendency to settle and harden which makes that heatsink essentially a heat insulator.
2. Note that the bridge heatsinks are typically aluminum (and specifically not copper) because aluminum has the ability to take heat away from the source and slowly bleed it into the ambient environment and still be effective as it absorbs heat (cooper heatsinks on the otherhand, without lots of airflow become quite ineffective and detrimental to the cooling capacity of your device since copper loses its effectiveness as it absorbs more heat). This is also the reasoning behind the use of Al-Cu HSFs -- the copper quickly gets the heat out of the device and "stores" it in the aluminum and while the aluminum bleeds it off, the copper component is still effective
I dont argue that lapping is not effective however just observe the CPUs in question and their operating temperatures .... using stock cooling there isnt a snowball's chance in hell the XP2000+ is running 20-25 idle temp -- even in the winter. Now for (theoretical) argument sake, assume it is running at that temperature -- when you put it under duress it jumps to 45°C -- that's a potential increase in temperature of 125% -- a clear sign of something quite wrong. No chip, from idle to stress should really be doubling its temperature and here this XP2000+ is "doubling and a bit more" (and I havnt factored in the fact its not an XP2000 but rather an XP2000 that has been OCd)
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THEDICE
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27. May 2004 @ 03:15 |
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ive got to agree with preator an xp 2000 plus chip is not running at 25 to 30 with stock cooling ive got one in one of my machines with a volcano 7 running at 4500 rpm cpu temp is 30 to 31 at idle and thats with 2 independent sensors from two different devices.
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