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2 Films One DVD-R
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deester1
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27. May 2004 @ 10:14 |
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dont know if this is a guide in the making?
i searched but couldnt find any posts regarding this.
2 DVD Films Onto one DVD-R
i used DVD decrypter, and DVD Srink.(because theyre free!!!)
i had to do this because my kids destroy original DVD's in weeks with stuff like jam! Fitting 2 films on a disk not only saves money but makes our house much tidyer.
step 1
Rip the first of your 2 DVD's using DVD decrypter. make sure the mode is set to file. this will give you a set of "vob's etc" not a disk image.
See guide for DVD ripping with Decrypter if your lost already. If alls set correctly you should end up with a video_ts folder which you created on your hard drive.
step 2
Remove the first disk from the DVD rom.
Insert your second DVD rom into your drive and repeat the process. BIG NOTE save the ripped files into a different folder or DVD decripter will attempt to write over them.(nb.you can skip step 2 and work with one disk in the DVD rom drive)
step 3.
you should now have 2 ripped DVD's in Video_ts folders in 2 seperate locations on your hard drive.
locate the first and rename it RIP1(tip to make things easier). Locate the second and rename that RIP2 then move it to the folder with the first rip in it. (this is only to save time and tidy your HDD.)
Step 4
Open DVD Shrink.
click the button "open files"
"browse" your hard drive and find the first Rip folder that you renamed (RIP1). Click on this folder it will look open but you wont be able to see the VOB files etc inside. Click OK and DVD Srink will evaluate your DVD files for a moment then give you a list of menus extras and what ever is on the disk.
you only want the "main movie" as space is gonna be tight.
Next click on the Re-Author button at the top of the window.
Under the main movie folder click on the "Title 1" icon and drag it into the window on the left.
Step 5
is almost a repeat of step 4 but ill explain it to avoid confusion.
Click back on full disk then open files.
find the second folder you ripped and renamed (RIP2).if you followed the tips it will be in the same folder as your first rip. Once the files are open click back on the Re-author button. From the window on the right drag "title 1" into the window on the left.
the window on the left should now show
title 1
title 1(2)
the resulting disk may still be too big but dont worry.
Click on the backup button. Ignore the warning about disk size and click "yes" continue.
Step 6
set the target drive to harddisk folder and choose the folder with rip1 and rip2 in it. (just to keep things clean). You may set your region and any other settings here but i use the defaults and region free. Click ok and DVD shrink will start to Re-Autor your 2 movies.
step 7
Once DVD shrink has finished you will have in your folder rip1, rip2 and video_ts(video_ts could be just vob files etc depending on earlier settings)the folders rip1 and rip2 can now be deleted to save space.
step 8
re-open DVD shrink click on open files and click on the folder in which you had DVD shrink write the files. Click "ok" again and you have a new rip which now contains 2! movies which can be shrunk some more till they fit on a DVD-R. If the settings are standard the shrink will be made as soon as you opened you file. Otherwise you have to make them manually till the project fits in the green bar.
Step 9
click backup disk and select another (different!!!!) location for your tempary files and either burn to hard drive (to burn to disk later) or if you use nero DVD Shrink will let you burn directly to DVD-R.
Step 10
Once you have burned your new 2 film DVD test it, then remove all the vobs etc created. (otherwise youll run out of space pretty quickly).
I wont lie the quality is affected but its hardly noticable on a T.V. its almost like the difference between T.V and DVD. If you want quality you can always play your originals..;)
Im wondering now how many times this process can be repeated and how many films can be fit on a DVD without adverse quality issues. Maybe ill try 3 tommorow and let you know.
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brian100
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27. May 2004 @ 12:18 |
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Mate, I appreciate what you are experimenting with but:-
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I wont lie the quality is affected but its hardly noticable on a T.V
mmmmmm..well on a very small tv you could probably get away with it, but on a larger set the qulity drop would be spotted by a blind man with spectacles manufactured from 43 day old rotting bacon.
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Maybe ill try 3 tommorow and let you know.
People on this site will know exactly the quality you will get if you try 3. It will be totally unwatchable. The ammount of pixellation you will get simply staggers the imagination. The sound would be good though, so you could listen to the movie.
Honestly mate..it really is madness what you are doing. I can't see the point in watching a "VHS" quality backup when I could watch and enjoy my pristine originals.
If you are serious about putting more than 1 movie on a DVD-r I would use an encoder (CCE) not Shrink!!. Shrink often struggles with 1 movie!!!.
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i had to do this because my kids destroy original DVD's in weeks with stuff like jam!
Ever considered buying restraining harnesses & muzzles?
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deester1
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27. May 2004 @ 13:14 |
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firstly it's obvious your not a parent.
secondly the quality drop isnt that bad i have a 32" screen and the resolution is no worse than a VHS. Even when you do reduce quality you mainly reduce the number of fps so the picture becomes jerky rather than pixilated. Most of those in the know say that anything above 80fps is beyond the limits of the human eye.
thirdly what the starfish are you doing on a DVD backup forum if you only watch your pristine originals?
positive feedback only in future please!
Try it you may be surprised
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brian100
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27. May 2004 @ 13:27 |
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True, im not a parent, youve got me there..fair and square.
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thirdly what the starfish are you doing on a DVD backup forum if you only watch your pristine originals?
After reading your "guide" i must admit I often wonder myself what im doing here. Most of the backups I produce are close to "pristine" quality.
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positive feedback only in future please!
Good luck matey..i will read this thread with interest.
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Try it you may be surprised
I have tried it, that's why i posted a response.
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27. May 2004 @ 15:32 |
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positive feedback only in future please!
One must realize this is an international forum where everyone here has an absolute right to post comment good or bad as long as they aren't crass or vindictive about it. It's a bit unrealistic to expest otherwise.
I admire you're willingness to share your thoughts and experiences although there have been many threads on this subject and the general concensus is that more than two films per disc results in quality that is unacceptable to most. Picture quality is also a highly subjective factor - beauty is in the eye of the beholder :) The good things is kids don't usually gripe about picture quality any way!
Pushing the envelope can be interesting so do let us know how it goes with the three films per disc.
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deester1
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27. May 2004 @ 16:17 |
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well i think that 2 films per disk are more than watchable. they save disk space and saves my originals from the bin lids (kids).
since i only carried out this experiment today i did'nt have much evidence when i posted "the guide".
now i have watched a whole dvd i have this to say:-
mostly the loss of quality is low, even when viewed on a tv through a scan converter (pretty rubbish one at that). Through a DVD palyer its slightly better.
i will say however that with scenes with high contrasting colours ie. moon against a black sky the image is slightly digitised (see the sqaures of a digital image with low refresh rate). this is because digital film works a little like animation (so long as the image refreshes fast enough then the eye fills in the gaps. Digital film images work a little like the "make a curve from lots of straight lines" experiment you will have done some time ago at school. By lowering the fps you remove some of the straight lines that make up the gaps.
In conclusion i will say that if people wanna back up 2 movies to a disk that is more than watchable on most modern tv's, then this works fine.
i have to say though brian100, that given the results i wont be trying for three films per disk. with another 33% loss the films could be anoying as a starfish (word for today).
As for Nephilim i didn't mean to cause offence with my defence of what i see as a perfectly good system. By the way my kids latest "phrase for the day" is "daddy thats rubbish" (you think they get it from mum? cough*)
On a brighter note having both toy story one and two on the same disk (this was actually the first time i sat through either) keeps them quiet for hours and they dont try to "play" food (eg pizza, sandwiches)in my DVD player...:)
+ you gotta admit toy story rox...:)
oh, i also did pirates of the caribbean and gone in 60 seconds for a real test. both highly enjoyable without jerk or pixilation.
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27. May 2004 @ 17:52 |
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As for Nephilim i didn't mean to cause offence with my defence of what i see as a perfectly good system.
None taken :)
You can't argue with success! I've always contended picture quality is subjective and if you like the results then you got what you were after especially if you can keep the little tyrants occupied through both Toy Story movies!
I've both Toy Story's as well and have honestly never had any interest or need to join two films but with so many posts about it I may have to give it a shot and see what happens especially since I just got Nero 6 Ultra and want to play with Recode :)
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brian100
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27. May 2004 @ 22:45 |
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with another 33% loss the films could be anoying as a starfish
That statement is a flagrant charcter slur on all decent law abiding starfish.
Seriously though, if you are happy with your method by all means continue.
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deester1
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28. May 2004 @ 03:30 |
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Ive tried the method in recode this morning. Since recode was writen mostly buy the same guy thay wrote DVD Shrink then you wont be surprised to find out the method is much the same.
There are some limitations however.
1.you have to rip both DVD's first (cant work with one in the drive) because recode doesn't handle copy protected material.
2.even at full compresion of both films you still end up with a file thats about 5 gig and has to be further re-encoded (same limitation as shrink method)
On the plus side its much easier to have 2 files open (or a disk and a file)in recode and saves much of the clicking backwards and forwards that has to be done in shrink.
Again i was happy with the quality of the matrix 1 and 2 together.this time i cut the credits from the films and joined them in the middle with merge titles and have 1 long film (just for science's sake..:)..)
If i only had a DV9 burner!!!!! Tomorow my plan will go into place for the takeover of the world!!!
sorry got a bit carried away there.
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deester1
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28. May 2004 @ 04:10 |
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Just keeping you updated with my madcap scheme.
I was just palying around with recode some more and it appears that you can use menu's with it (Srink didnt deal with menus when re-authoring). So if you dont want 2 films on a disk what about using the above method to put a film and all its extras on one backup DVD?
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321sucker
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29. May 2004 @ 14:29 |
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I'm using Nero 6.3 and am wanting to create a menu on a dvd 2ith 2 or more movies. Is there a way to acheive this?
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deester1
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31. May 2004 @ 04:18 |
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if you have Nero fully registered and all enabled there is a method you could use.
firstly rip both original movie's either into files or AVI format.(see ripping guides)the movies will need to be shrunk to a level where they would be just watchable. As i said before space is gonna be tight.
once you have your 2 movies you can create a DVD using "vision express 2" this allows you to re-create chapters and adds a fairly basic looking menu to the dvd.There are tutorials for vision express on the Nero homepage.
Ive never actually tried this because as i said menus take up valuable space when trying to fit 2 movies on a DVD. By using the buttons on your DVD player eg.disk info. you should be able to use a DVD with 2 "titles" without creating menus on the disk itself.
However i will try this sometime today and ill post the results in this thread.
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deester1
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31. May 2004 @ 09:50 |
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putting menus on a disk with 2 films is possible using Nero and free software. The problem is the whole process takes a very long time around 4 hours in total.
firstly rip both movies using shrink and disable the fit to disk option try to rip each movie into files with a total size no bigger than 2.5GB. This however may require more than 1 pass through DVD Shrink.
The resulting files can then be opened in Vision Express 2. Opening VOB's in Vision Express makes a load of MPG files in a tempory folder.
Make sure these files are in the correct order in your Title window. For some reason they are not always in numerical order!!!!!
once the files are in order select them all and click merge titles. This will stick all the bits of film which were split into vobs back together. The title can then be renamed.
Once this is done with both different titles the chapters can then be recreated. Click on create chapters and either do it manually or automaticaly.
Once you have done this you will be taken to a screen that allows you to create menus.
Since you have 2 titles on the disk the Menu will have three layers. A title menu which breaks down into 2 chapter menu's. here you can add a custom background to each menu and add buttons and animation.
finally on the burning stage choose burn to hard disk folder as the resulting file will almost have to be run through DVD Shrink once again before if fits on a DVD-R. Nb try to create files no bigger than 6 or 7 gb in this process or you may have difficulty in getting the final Shrink small enough.
Once the resulting file is run through DVD Shrink you should have a VIDEO_TS folder that is small enough to fit on a DVD-R.
As before space is gonna be tight so trying to fit 2 long movies onto one disk would lead to poor frame rate/bit rate and reduced quality. Just be sensible in the movies you combine onto on disk.
however just for backup quality DVD's which will be more than watchable and you wont mind getting eaten by the dog then this is the way to go!
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321sucker
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31. May 2004 @ 14:17 |
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deester1
TY, I too gave it a shot before I posted and I think its too cumbersome. I was hoping there would be a faster way, but i guess there is no shortcutting. I am looking at the Adobe tool and will give it a shot.
Thanks for all of your assistance.
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6. June 2004 @ 14:41 |
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excellent
mmmmmm..well on a very small tv you could probably get away with it, but on a larger set the qulity drop would be spotted by a blind man with spectacles manufactured from 43 day old rotting bacon.
as for this:
i will say however that with scenes with high contrasting colours ie. moon against a black sky the image is slightly digitised (see the sqaures of a digital image with low refresh rate). this is because digital film works a little like animation (so long as the image refreshes fast enough then the eye fills in the gaps. Digital film images work a little like the "make a curve from lots of straight lines" experiment you will have done some time ago at school. By lowering the fps you remove some of the straight lines that make up the gaps.
until we all get cheap DVD +/-R9 then we need to put u[p with it.
pixellation is always a problem but I would assume that if you OWN the original you would be watching that and have the "BACKUP" stored in a SAFE place.
why not backup the disc straight away and then let the kids wreck the backup while the original is kept in a top drawer or up-top in the closet. I'm sure they wont notice pixellation, re-draw and refresh rate.
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drkmn303
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8. June 2004 @ 13:08 |
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I followed what you put in your guidelines and had no probs putting two parts of a film onto 1 disk.. I put the lord of the rings 3, which is a 2 disk film on to 1 following your instructions....thank you for posting them
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memcco
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9. June 2004 @ 00:25 |
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there's another way that's so much easier...use DVD2One and select User Defined at 2100 or 2200 for both movies and then open them up in TMPGE DVD Author, create your menu, remove the credits from the end to fit..and voila! works best with movies that are 2 hours or less. I do this all the time, and the quality is awesome...kinda like SVCD...but it saves me money.
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drkmn303
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9. June 2004 @ 04:08 |
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the only thing that i found with TMPGEnc dvd authour is that its doesnt allow the films to go over the 1.46. mark where most film know are nearly 2hrs long so having to split them up and then put them onto disk using the process in this forum...i 've used that software which u mentioned but to no success...lol
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9. June 2004 @ 04:36 |
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deester what are you talking about? dvd rencoding with shrink does NOTHING to the fps at all, it reencodes the video bitrate, you wont get a skippy image, youll get a pixillated image. and no films are in 80 fps. almost every film is in 23.97 fps, or 29.97 or 25 fps for PAL. the human eye doesnt notice anything over 23.97- 80 fps would be used for highspeed or slow motion sports moments or something, totaly unnecassary for a film. but in your defence i have come to the conclusion that you can fit about 4hours and change of video on a dvd with no problem. I notice the quality loss, but my family doesnt. so its realy just subjective.
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9. June 2004 @ 04:54 |
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Another way that works for me, is to rip one movie only to hard drive using dvd shrink, remove disc, insert new disc.
Re-open shrink, click on open files, open movie on hard drive, reauthor, browse to dvd drive and drag movie only over to reauthor window and back up. Volia 2 movies on disc
This works espicially well with cartoons (simpsons season discs fit 12 episodes on one dvd. Compression is around 50% but being a cartoon, is hardly noticable)
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17. June 2004 @ 07:05 |
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well if it wasn't for Deester i'd ddtill be looking for a way to add to three 30 minute standup comedy shows on on dvd....so Thanks alot deester since DVD Shrink wont have to do any compression the files will remain the same quality!! so you see Brian just because the information isnt useful for yourself ... it can be useful for others "mate"
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