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Dual layer DVD writers
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calebsw
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1. June 2004 @ 14:39 |
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Do you still have to encode the movie with these, or can you simply copy the movies disc-to-disc?
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1. June 2004 @ 16:56 |
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I believe you will have to encode. You don't have to compress.
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1. June 2004 @ 17:38 |
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Yes, you will still have to decrypt them. But as stated little or no compression. Only time will tell if its worth all the money needed to go this way.
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2. June 2004 @ 02:52 |
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At the moment, these are + format only so most settop players will not read them. Also, the media is very scarce & expensive. It's early days on this technology at the moment, and I'll wait until the -R versions come out before I even consider it.
If you have a DVD9 you need to back up, then DVDShrink will do a fine job. It really truly does work. I used to be sceptical until I took advice from these forums & tried it for myself. I'm sold.
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pbailey
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2. June 2004 @ 17:50 |
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Been a bit out of the copying game for a while, but i thought they were only going to use +R DL because the crc or something is a little better than the -r disc's structure?
DVD shrink is indeed the shiz nit for sure, just did the 3rd lotr and on my 68cm tv, (think thats about 34 inches?) there is no pixellation whatsoever, even in the dark action scenes, tho i'm sure with a bigger tv the blemishes will show.
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siber
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2. June 2004 @ 18:36 |
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wilkes, are you indicating that DVD+R DL will be difficult to read by free standing DVD Players because of the +R format? It may be that DVD players 'in the Stone Age of 5 years ago' had difficulties with DVD+R. I don't think that it is accurate that DVD+R cannot be read 'by most settop players'. The real figure now is that 90-95% of players read DVD+R and 100% of the new players do.
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2. June 2004 @ 19:10 |
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Sorry wilkes, but Siber's right, the DVD-R+R compatibility issue is long dead. When Burners went to dual formats, they were soon followed behind by stand alone players that were mostly already there. Dual layer DVD recording and players whether we like it or not are leaning toward the +R format and perhaps is the begining of the end for -R formats. Just look at the best burners such as Plextor, or any dual format burner and all of them are faster with + R recordings.
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3. June 2004 @ 02:14 |
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Whatever way you look at it, the DVD Forum are not going to support DVD+R/W.
As for compatibility, I stand by waht I said with regard to dual layer + discs.
As for "the beginning of the end for the - format , never. It is still the only official one, and a disc written to a+ blank cannot be replicated from, and it's content will never be able to use the logos.
Irt is stil - format& DLT tapes in the commercial world. The + format is for home use only.
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scott_b
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7. June 2004 @ 04:15 |
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I have to say i agree with Wilkes. Its far to much money to be investing in dual layer burners at this early stage and espically when it only supports +R.
Like he said, if u want to backup DVD 9 then definetly go for DVD Shrink - works all the time!
I have over 50 backed up movies now, all of which have been decrypted, compressed and encoded using DVD Shrink.
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7. June 2004 @ 05:03 |
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In a recent poll done on cdfreaks.com more people were using +r than -r. Secondly numerous members of this forum are using +r and it's a matter of time before the "DVD forum" will follow or they will become irrelevant. Anyone who owns a Plextor (I have a PX-712A) are more likely to be using +r than -r because that's where the speed is. Any +r blank that I've backed can be replicated. I use both -r and +r and I have 3 DVD players at home that plays them both equally. I've also taken my movies to my parents home and they play on their palyers as well, in fact even players that are rated as -r players have had no problems with +r. This is a debate that no one can win because no one here is going to change the minds of others about which is better. But which survives will depend largely on which stays out front in developing desireable technological advances. +R is already winning the speed contest and now it's going to take the lead in dual layer as well.
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7. June 2004 @ 05:54 |
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Don't be so naive!
The DVD Forum writes the specs. It will never "become irrelevant" as you put it.
+R is for home use, -R is for Pro use.
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deadcat
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7. June 2004 @ 05:54 |
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my 2 cents
DVD+R has had an advantage ever since the major computer manufacture started offering burners.
Hp, Dell, Compaq, all offered +r burners only
Its only recently that dual format have been offered.
These major desktop manufacturers, like it or not, cater to the majority of computer buyers. its all very well to say "im computer literate and know that dvd-r is the way to go" because your in the minority. Thats why my first drive was +r only, i was told by them it was the best. (how little did i know)
from the manufacturer of my dvd300eQuote:
The +r/rw format and +r/rw media was compatible with more of the drives and dvd players tested than the -r/rw format. Source: intellikey labs, 2002
Also i agree with sophocles Quote:
more likely to be using +r than -r because that's where the speed is. Any +r blank that I've backed can be replicated.
however there is no way i will be rushing out to by one of the first generation dual layer burners, considering 1- no media
2- no dual format (in case -r ever castches up :) )
3- 4x is plenty fast considering speed vs cost of disc
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7. June 2004 @ 06:34 |
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Like I said no one is going to change anyones mind about this because everyone is right in their own minds. And Wilkes I am not naive, I am expereinced. I began selling technology back in the 1970s when Dolby noise reduction was sold as a seperate component. The first simple IBM's (didn't have a hard disk) hit my sales floor in 1982. I've grown with PC technology and have seen more formats go obsolete than most people ever heard of. I probably overstepped a bit by stating that DVD-R is going to become obsolete but its role in DVD Recording has and will continue to diminish. The reason that +R is advancing so fast is not only because of its support by big name manufacturers but it seems to be easier to develop. My Plextor is 12X DVD+R and 4X DVD-R I don't think that Plextor intentionally made -R slower.
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nosmarbad
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7. June 2004 @ 07:34 |
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Being fairly new to burning dvd movies I read with horror about the inability to replicate +R disks, after just replicating about 2 dozen backup movies from +RW to +R disks.
I then tried to replicate a +R disk to confirm, and sure enough on my hp dc3000 it didn't work.
Then I read someone saying they replicated +R disks, so does it depend on the burner?
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7. June 2004 @ 07:39 |
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I can't say all I do know is that I've never had a problem doing it. My first attempts were to take a couple of DVD X Copy of movies that a buddy owned and helped him put the to halves onto a single disk. When I copied them I ripped them using DVD Decryptes which also removed those annoying splash screens and the burned them with no problems.
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nosmarbad
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7. June 2004 @ 07:43 |
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Hmmmm, wonder why it doesn't work for me?
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7. June 2004 @ 07:57 |
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What software are you using and what DVD Burner. Send me your specs including what you use to rip with. I've done this with my Sony DREU-500, and my plestor PX-712A.
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nosmarbad
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7. June 2004 @ 08:05 |
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As i mentioned the burner is an external hp DC 3000 known as a moviewriter. I burnt the disk with dvdxcopy platinum whic i think is brilliant software, one or two clicks and i can't pick the quality difference to the original on a standard definition tv (I was reading all the debates on quality with DVD Shrink etc). To clone the copy i tried Recordnow which i have found to be quite good at copying non protected disks. I am retrying now as I write this by putting the +r disk in my old pioneer dvd rom whic h is supposed to read +r disks but appears to be reading this "Laser" brand. Previously I tried using the HP to read and write from the one drive but it locked up on the read with an error. It's a complicated business this dvd burning, like most computer tasks, nothing is straight forward.
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nosmarbad
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7. June 2004 @ 08:07 |
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As i mentioned the burner is an external hp DC 3000 known as a moviewriter. I burnt the disk with dvdxcopy platinum whic i think is brilliant software, one or two clicks and i can't pick the quality difference to the original on a standard definition tv (I was reading all the debates on quality with DVD Shrink etc). To clone the copy i tried Recordnow which i have found to be quite good at copying non protected disks. I am retrying now as I write this by putting the +r disk in my old pioneer dvd rom which is NOT supposed to read +r disks but appears to be reading this "Laser" brand. Previously I tried using the HP to read and write from the one drive but it locked up on the read with an error. It's a complicated business this dvd burning, like most computer tasks, nothing is straight forward.
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7. June 2004 @ 08:12 |
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I use a Samsung DVD/CDRW combo drive to rip ripping with you burner is uneeded wear and tear on it. Since backups have their encryption removed and they are the perfect siize to burn this should be easy. I can copy disc to disc as well but ripping insures fewer coasters. Download a free copy of DVD Decrypter in afterdawn software section. Put your previous back up in your DVD player and ript the entire contents of the disk in file mode to your hard drive. If you get that far then burning the result is a "piece of cake."
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7. June 2004 @ 09:40 |
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I am not talking about being able to use +R for copying discs (for your own personal backups, naturally) but being able to deliver them to a replicator for mass replication, so that the finished manufactured product will be able to carry the DVD-Video logo.
+R media can not, and never will be able to do this.
Personally I do not much care about what format is better than the other. All I care about is getting my output to the replicators in a form that is DVD Legal, and can carry the logo when replicated so my customers can see that they have a legitimate, finished, official product.
Currently, and for the forseeable future, this is either on HDD (Very few replicators accept this), DVD-R or DLT tape. You take them a +R disc and they will throw it back at you. End of Story.
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7. June 2004 @ 10:30 |
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I see, and to tell you the truth I don't care which is better either, I'm just going for faster, but I can and do use both. I don't have any current need for mass production since most of what I do is for personal use. Should it come to that then I'll burn -R. I think however considering the rate at which DVD+R is selling, eventually someone will see the potential for green. BTW some por guy read your post and now thinks he can't backup his backups. LOL
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7. June 2004 @ 10:56 |
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I guess I should learn to explain myself better!
Hope he sorts out his backup issues.
As for speed, I must admit that as I spend a lot of time getting the content right, I just don't want to spoil it all by burning too fast. Seen too many discs with too many errors all caused by burning too quickly, but each to their own.
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7. June 2004 @ 11:02 |
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I agree that's why I always burn at lower rate that my burner is rated for. My Plextor is rated for 12X so I burn at 8X so far so good.
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nosmarbad
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7. June 2004 @ 14:59 |
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Well may you laugh, trouble is I still haven't been able to backup from a +R disk. The couple of times I had tried previously, I thought it was a bad disk. Whilst I have no trouble copying from +RW, for some reason I am unable to copy from +R.
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