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JSRife
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19. July 2004 @ 06:05 |
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Saw Best Buy dropped there price down on the ATI 9800 pro :) $189.99 after rebates :)
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19. July 2004 @ 06:19 |
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Well most of my time using it... the rest would be for polishing and cleaning LOL
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otester
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19. July 2004 @ 07:06 |
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I suppose i was a bit wrong about NVIDIA because the many reviews that compare 6800's to the X800's shows that the 6800's win by miles adn the drivers are better two.
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Xian
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19. July 2004 @ 07:10 |
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The PS3 was sold in Japan just recently, but the system had problems so they pulled it from the shelves. The PS3 will be arriving sometime in 2005 in the USA
I think you are mistaking the PSX or PSP for the PS3. The PSX is the one that is out now in Japan with the built in DVR and was pulled for some problems. The PSP is the handheld they expect out in 2005 in the US. They have just started sampling the chips for the PS3, and have not gone on sale in Japan yet. Even the PS3 SDK to create games for it will not be released until maybe as late as Q3 2005 according some articles. The latest news said they would be unveiled at the E3 in 2005, so it will not be out in the US until 2006 more than likely.
http://money.cnn.com/2004/07/12/news/international/sony_playstation.reut/
http://www.gamespot.com/news/2004/07/12/news_6102332.html
Sorry for the offtopic comment, but the info was incorrect.
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Praetor
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19. July 2004 @ 10:33 |
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Not horribly offtopic but yeah, i figured as much .... there's just simply no way in hell consoles with outpace towers thaaaaaaat fast :)
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Vular
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19. July 2004 @ 10:47 |
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I agree, I was starting to get a little afraid. We don't those asians hogging all the game market, also if it were already released then pulled back you would think that all the specs of it would have been already available.
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19. July 2004 @ 12:11 |
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LOL yeah good call ... heeeheee ... there's something to be said for a grain-of-salt :)
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19. July 2004 @ 22:14 |
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The only reason that I chose the ATI card over NVIDIA was because the TV capture on the theatre 200 is supposed to be the best out there right now. It really is fantastic in more ways than one. I can now get my 13 year old son to go to bed at a decent hour even if I love the eighties is on VH-1 or The Cosby Show nick at night marathon is on. I can even use DVD RW to write the shows over and over again. I love being thought of as the smartest dad around.
otester what are you going to be doing with that card? You gonna get H2 or D3? Also there are articles showing that with these newer faster video cards they are more dependant on clock speed. Hardocp did a test that shows to fully get the most out of the 6800 or x800 you need 3.4 P4 or Athlon 64 3500 proc.
I can run far cry at medium settings with my np 9600 and it has no problems with the grass or the water. If I experience any lag I just defrag and that cures it.
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otester
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20. July 2004 @ 06:23 |
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im going to buy all the latest kit (processor , memory , mboard etc) i can when HL2 coms out
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Xian
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22. July 2004 @ 03:59 |
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The offical Doom 3 benchmarks from Id are out for the latest video cards:
http://www2.hardocp.com/article.html?art=NjQy
Nvidia beats ATI in nearly every single benchmark in Doom 3, but both give good enough performance to enjoy the game.
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Vular
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22. July 2004 @ 06:04 |
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Yeah, Ati doesn't do well with OpenGL, but they are better at it, when cat 4.8 drivers come out I think they are supposed to be improving on this, but not sure. I guess we'll se, would be nice..
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Praetor
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22. July 2004 @ 12:01 |
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Just curious, wasnt OpenGL traditionally ATi territory?
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otester
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22. July 2004 @ 13:07 |
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i have used old (not that old!!!!!) cards and played on games and the performance is ok but flickers appear in some games (even the old ones)!
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Vular
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23. July 2004 @ 04:35 |
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Not sure if OpenGL was traditionally ATI territory or not, but even when running psx emulators it says to use the DirctX plugins for ATI cards and to use OpenGL for Nvidia cards, so my guess is that it's been like this for a while. I personally liked Glide when 3dfX cards were at the top, to bad they never improved on it because it was far more better then the other two at the time.
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23. July 2004 @ 04:38 |
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Do you think that if another company apart from ATI and NVIDIA picked up from were 3DFX started they could turn the tide in the Graphics card war? I think a make like Matrox or SiS could do an ok job!
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Vular
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23. July 2004 @ 09:14 |
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They probably could but Nvidia bought 3dfx for $112mil back in 2000 I think.
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JSRife
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24. July 2004 @ 08:05 |
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Quick question... Seriously thinking about picking up an ATI 9200SE 128mb for $49...I know a real piece of $hit card. Anyway I'm talking DDR 2100 memory 384mb of it, how much of that will I free up with that Video card? (ATI 9200SE)??? I use intergrated graphics now, so it would have to be somekind of improvement I would think. How much would I gain? 32mb-64mb? More less?
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otester
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24. July 2004 @ 09:01 |
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You will gain fuck all :-) because , for example if i put two PCI cards together (128MB) each , i wont get 256MB because ur monitor only has one VGA cable. Unless one of the cards is a accelerator (i have one , dont use it though , might sell it) then you can add more memory (EG: 32MB AGP with a 20MB accelerator you will get 62Mb graphics card.
FUCK SAKE!!!! SAVE TIME + MONEY AND BUY A NORMAL GRAPHICS CARD LIKE 99.9% OF PEOPLE!!!!
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24. July 2004 @ 17:35 |
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You need to cool your jets otester. Did you even read JSRife's post? You're answer has nothing to do with his question.
JSRife,
You will regain system memory and processing power by moving your graphics to an independent card no matter how pissy otester may think the card is. It's as simple as that.
I can't tell you exactly how much system memory you'll gain but I don't believe it will exactly equal the amount of RAM on the card.
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24. July 2004 @ 17:46 |
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You will gain fuck all :-)
I dont know what cracked out realm you hail from but you gotta go do some reading before you open up on people like that.
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for example if I put two PCI cards together (128MB) each , I wont get 256MB because ur monitor only has one VGA cable
If I put two Voodoo2's together, assuming they had 128MB apiece, I would get 256MB because, guess what? 128+128 roughly equals 256.
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Unless one of the cards is a accelerator (i have one , dont use it though , might sell it)
Every single video processing chip on the planet is an accelerator including both onboard video and the 9200SE
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then you can add more memory (EG: 32MB AGP with a 20MB accelerator you will get 62Mb graphics card.
Firstly, 32+20=52 not 62. Secondly, you analogy doesnt work except in very specific circumstances (which have no relevance to this discussion about the 9200SE). There are three ways of interpreting what you've said (both of which lead to incorrect conclusions):
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- "32MB AGP" = 32MB of onboard video memory, "20MB" = 20MB on a video card (only a few old cards, circa-TNT2 had 20MB)
- If you add a 20MB video card, you disable the 32MB originally slated to the video processing becomes free to do other things so you will save memory
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- "32MB AGP" = 32MB on a video card, "20MB" = 20MB video card
- This is a moot point: if both are dedicated video cards then you wont really be wasting system memory for video applications now will ya
Interpretation 03
- "32MB AGP" = 32MB on a video card, "20MB" = 20MB of onboard video memory
- Again, by having a video card, you negate the onboard-video memory allocation
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FUCK SAKE!!!! SAVE TIME + MONEY AND BUY A NORMAL GRAPHICS CARD LIKE 99.9% OF PEOPLE!!!!
1. Not everyone's a little rich kid like you who's got money to go buy things left and right
2. Your rant might have a little more oomph if you had the technical points to back it up.
3. No ALLCAPS :P
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24. July 2004 @ 18:33 |
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Some wierd stuff goin on in here...
Anyway, I just want to reimphasise the point "Research, Research, Research".
It works every time, so just take a few hours---if on dialup like me :( ---and look at a few cards you've got in mind. Just recently I did the ol' ATI9600XT/nVIDIA5900XT comparison over a few days and bought the 5900XT [overclocked from BFG Tech]. It feels good to do my homework and pick a card I think will be best. Hope it works out.
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Saw Best Buy dropped there price down on the ATI 9800 pro :) $189.99 after rebates :)
I know man. That came out ONE week after I bought my nVIDIA5900XT. I think it might top mine, but I still love my card anyway [mine was also a LITTLE bit cheaper, so it's ok!]
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Oh: and BFG Tech friggin rocks, too.
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24. July 2004 @ 20:36 |
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It works every time, so just take a few hours---if on dialup like me :( ---and look at a few cards you've got in mind. Just recently I did the ol' ATI9600XT/nVIDIA5900XT comparison over a few days and bought the 5900XT [overclocked from BFG Tech].
The 9600 isnt quite a "fair" matchup for the 5900; the 5600/5700 would be a more useful comparison :)
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It feels good to do my homework and pick a card I think will be best. Hope it works out.
Oh hell yeah... well said! :)
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JSRife
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25. July 2004 @ 04:49 |
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Ok one last question on the ATI 9200SE video card subject. I have a basic understanding of the video card you have the 3 little thingys at the bottom of the card that fit into the computer for it to read the card or whatever, so it gets connection, now does it have a power cord also that fits into the computer as well? Do I just need to put in Video card program disc after hooking the card up? and then what, get updates for drivers? Then go and changed video settings? So it's no longer intergrated graphics and now ATI9200SE graphics? I know what you're going to say, "it's simple read the directions" Which I can read, just want to know what I am getting into before I buy a card. It's really simple right? I can add DDR memory to my computer with no problem (I know I'm a computer expert) HA HA JOKING!!!!! I'm just hoping the video card goes in easy as 1-2-3 ya know. I believe Best Buy charges $39-$49 to put a video card in, I don't wanna go in that direction, wanna do it myself.
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JSRife
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25. July 2004 @ 08:28 |
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And even more questions as I research further... I'm postive my Computer can handle 4x AGP Video card, possible even 8x but doubt it. Okay when I do buy a video card from lets say when it says this does it mean it is compadable???? BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
Does this mean this video card will play in any computer that is either 1x-2x-4x-8x? If I have 4x on my computer will it work then?
One last question...How does an ATI 9200SE stack up to a 9200LE ??? are they about the same??? Was just wondering because they are close to the same price.
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25. July 2004 @ 13:26 |
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now does it have a power cord also that fits into the computer as well?
Not on the 9200SE.
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Do I just need to put in Video card program disc after hooking the card up? and then what, get updates for drivers? Then go and changed video settings? So it's no longer intergrated graphics and now ATI9200SE graphics?
You will have to get into the BIOS and disable the onboard video (it might do that automatically, it might not). Once you boot up, you'll want to install drivers (which can be found on the ATi website)
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I believe Best Buy charges $39-$49 to put a video card in, I don't wanna go in that direction, wanna do it myself.
Yeah and FutureShop tried to charge me $40 to install my Pioneer106 and kept nagging me about it until I said sure... brought my case in and 40 minutes later they realized the case was locked ... needless to say those "techies" arent everything they make themselves out to be. Installing a vid card isnt that difficult :)
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I'm postive my Computer can handle 4x AGP Video card, possible even 8x but doubt it. Okay when I do buy a video card from lets say when it says this does it mean it is compadable???? BUS: AGP 1X/2X/4X/8X
You'll be fine with whatever video card you get. "Compatible" means just that, it's compatible with the AGP mode (which is set automatically anyways)
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Does this mean this video card will play in any computer that is either 1x-2x-4x-8x? If I have 4x on my computer will it work then?
Yes it will work.
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One last question...How does an ATI 9200SE stack up to a 9200LE ??? are they about the same??? Was just wondering because they are close to the same price.
Get me a link on the LE and I'll comment. If you're at a lower budget, I'd reccomend the GFX5200 -- it doesnt have the 64bit memory interface like the 9200SE and has a comparable price
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