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Is My Videocard Good??
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nssnman
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10. July 2004 @ 14:41 |
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Specifications
RADEON X600 XT Technology Specifications
* World?s first PCI Express?Graphics Chip
* Native x16 lane PCI Express
* Double the bandwidth of AGP 8X
* Increased memory bandwidth to 12 Gigabytes/sec.
* Four extreme parallel 3D rendering pixel pipelines
* Two programmable vertex shader pipelines
* 128-bit memory interface supporting 128MB or 256MB DDR1 memory configurations
* Full DirectX® 9 support
SMARTSHADER? 2.0
* SMARTSHADER? defines the level of realism in latest 2D/3D games and applications
* Complete hardware-accelerated Microsoft® DirectX® 9.0 programmable vertex and pixel shader support
* Full hardware support for OpenGL® 2.0
SMOOTHVISION? 2.1
* SMOOTHVISION? improves image quality by smoothing jagged edges, improving blurriness and refining background details during on-screen motion and at lower resolutions.
* SMOOTHVISION? settings are user configurable in ATI CATALYST? Control Panel:
o 2x/4x/6x Anti-Aliasing modes
+ Sparse multi-sample algorithm with gamma correction, programmable sample patterns, and centroid sampling
+ Lossless Color Compression (up to6:1)at all resolutions
+ Temporal Anti-Aliasing
o 2x/4x/8x/16x Anisotropic Filtering modes
+ Up to 128-tap texture filtering
+ Adaptive algorithm with bilinear (performance) and trilinear (quality) options
HYPER Z? III
* HYPER Z? ensures optimal hardware performance by discarding irrelevant object data that is not visible to end-user on their display.
* Leverages key features from ATI?s third generation HYPER Z? III technology that conserves video memory bandwidth for improved performance in demanding 2D/3D games and applications.
* Lossless Z-Buffer Compression (up to 48:1)
* Fast Z-Buffer Clear
* Z Cache optimized for real-time shadow rendering
VIDEOSHADER?
* Seamless integration of pixel shaders with video in real time
* FULLSTREAM? video de-blocking technology for Real, DivX, and WMV9 formats
* VIDEOSOAP? noise removal filtering for captured video
* MPEG1/2/4 decode and encode acceleration
o DXVA Support
o Hardware Motion Compensation, iDCT, DCT and color space conversion
* All-format DTV/HDTV decoding
* YPrPb component output for direct drive of HDTV displays?
* Adaptive Per-Pixel De-Interlacing and Frame Rate Conversion (temporal filtering)
Additional Features
# Dual integrated display controllers
# Dual integrated 10 bit per channel 400 MHz DACs
# Integrated 165 MHz TMDS transmitter (DVI 1.0 / HDMI compliant and HDCP ready)
# Integrated TV Output support up to 1024x768 resolution
# Windows® Logo Program compliant
# ATI CATALYST? Software Suite
2D DISPLAY MODES
Resolutions, colors and maximum refresh rates (Hz) in 256, 65K or 16.7M colors
Monitor Resolution Hz
640x480
200
800x600 200
1024x768 200
1152x864 200
1280x1024 160
1600x1200 120
1920x1080* 16:9 120
1920x1200 100
1920x1440 90
2048x1536 85
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Praetor
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10. July 2004 @ 15:19 |
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Yes although if you're forking out the money to buy this thing, shouldnt you have checked before buying? ;-)
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JSRife
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11. July 2004 @ 11:09 |
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That is like asking People if they think you got a good car and you tell them you drive a 2004 Rolls Royce. Question you already have an answer too.
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Praetor
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11. July 2004 @ 12:05 |
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BTW the answer is ... unfortunately ... NO. The 9800 series of cards seems to have superior core specs in virtually every category.
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JSRife
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12. July 2004 @ 04:25 |
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That is hard to believe, I do believe you though. I wonder why the 9800 cards are kicking the new generation X series cards asses? What about the stats on the Nvidia 6800? Are the ATi 9800 out doing it also? Maybe it has something to do with the PCI-Express or something, new technology just starting out and all, maybe they are weaker cards on a higher format or something? I dunno. Kinda cool the 9800 series are still hanging in there strong. People are quick to sell something out before they know all the facts I guess. Maybe they jumped on the new generation cards bandwagon before it even had a chance to show the world what it can really do, talk is cheap , the proof is in the pudding along with perfomance to back it. The way it sounds the 9800 is performing, and the new series of cards have the public drooling over the cool box and the fact it's new.
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JSRife
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12. July 2004 @ 04:57 |
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Smart Shader 2.0.....What? Didn't the ATI 9700 come with that, lol
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12. July 2004 @ 09:50 |
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The X800 is the real deal and runs neck and neck with the 6800. The new mid/low range cards from ATI don't look like much from the specs but we'll just have to wait and see what they can do.
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Praetor
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12. July 2004 @ 10:03 |
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That is hard to believe, I do believe you though.
No need to believe me. You can check for yourself!
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I wonder why the 9800 cards are kicking the new generation X series cards asses?
Either very bad or very good marketing strategy, we'll have to wait to see how it turns out
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What about the stats on the Nvidia 6800?
http://www.google.ca
http://www.nvidia.com
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Are the ATi 9800 out doing it also?
Well... look and see!
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Maybe it has something to do with the PCI-Express or something, new technology just starting out and all, maybe they are weaker cards on a higher format or something?
Not likely. With the much lower performance of the budget-midrange cards I doubt they'll come close to saturating half of their theoretical speed cap.
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People are quick to sell something out before they know all the facts I guess.
Yes they are.
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talk is cheap , the proof is in the pudding along with perfomance to back it
Yes.... talk is cheap.
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The X800 is the real deal and runs neck and neck with the 6800.
Argueable that the nVidia chip is superior (even if it's slower which i wont get into) .... the 6800 has support for Shader 3.0 while ATi's flagship is "way back" at 2.0 .... not much of a real world difference (until the next gen games come out) but just an oddity that ATi didnt "step up"
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JSRife
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12. July 2004 @ 13:09 |
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JSRife
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12. July 2004 @ 14:05 |
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I don't know how much truth is in Benchmarks..Checked out Tom's Hardware site, and they were comparing these cards. Praetor, the post I just made before this one is blank I know...I tried to copy and paste what I saw on Tom's Hardware site, but it didn't work. Don't know how to copy and paste things to these post for others to view. I copy and then when I get to where I am at now I paste it and I get nothing????
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12. July 2004 @ 14:52 |
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the 6800 has support for Shader 3.0 while ATi's flagship is "way back" at 2.0 .... not much of a real world difference (until the next gen games come out) but just an oddity that ATi didnt "step up"
An oddity indeed but just how much of a difference it'll make and how soon titles will implement pixel shader 3 remains to be seen :)
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Praetor
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12. July 2004 @ 22:36 |
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Very true and short of Doom3 I dont think there will be much in terms of realworld advantages in performance (there is a noted advantage in the lifespan of the card given that support however).
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JSRife
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14. July 2004 @ 04:38 |
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I got the latest generation and one of the most expensive video cards they make , is it any good? Could I play Pac-Man or Frogger on it? LMAO
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Praetor
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14. July 2004 @ 05:43 |
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I got the latest generation and one of the most expensive video cards they make , is it any good?
Instead of saying that and leaving it vague ..... you could have said what video card you have.......
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4W4K3
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14. July 2004 @ 16:20 |
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[guote]I got the latest generation and one of the most expensive video cards they make , is it any good? Could I play Pac-Man or Frogger on it? LMAO
that sounds like a buyer who has no idea what they bought. you can buy the most exensive new hardware...and it still is crap compared to older more popular hardware. take the FX5200...i consider that a pretty sorry GPU...but it sure is hot right now for new teens wanting to get into gaming. thats the most effective marketing i have seen excluding the "SE" and "LE" model cards.
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4W4K3
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14. July 2004 @ 16:21 |
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I got the latest generation and one of the most expensive video cards they make , is it any good? Could I play Pac-Man or Frogger on it? LMAO
that sounds like a buyer who has no idea what they bought. you can buy the most exensive new hardware...and it still is crap compared to older more popular hardware. take the FX5200...i consider that a pretty sorry GPU...but it sure is hot right now for new teens wanting to get into gaming. thats the most effective marketing i have seen excluding the "SE" and "LE" model cards.
[COLOR=Green]AMD[/COLOR] Athlon XP-M 2600+ (2535MHz) 1.74V IQYHA
ABIT NF7-S Rev 2.0 (241*10.5) 1.8V - Pencil Mod
[COLOR=DimGray]OCZ[/COLOR]-EL 512MB PC-3200 DC-Platinum (483MHz) 2.85V 2.5-2-2-11
[B][COLOR=Red]RADEON[/CO
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forkndave
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14. July 2004 @ 17:28 |
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I believe that is probably sarcasm.
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Praetor
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14. July 2004 @ 17:52 |
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I believe that is probably sarcasm.
I thought that at one point. Now i'm not so sure ;)
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4W4K3
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14. July 2004 @ 18:59 |
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you can never tell on online forums if someone is REALLY that dumb...or they just think its funny to act like it. either way i would have to say if your going to spend time typing it, it might as well be serious...or at least funny to someone besides yourself.
[COLOR=Green]AMD[/COLOR] Athlon XP-M 2600+ (2535MHz) 1.74V IQYHA
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Praetor
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14. July 2004 @ 20:02 |
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you can never tell on online forums if someone is REALLY that dumb...or they just think its funny to act like it. either way I would have to say if your going to spend time typing it, it might as well be serious...or at least funny to someone besides yourself.
Hehe ... reminds me of a certain 1337 haxor i know of elsewhere....... :P
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Sunnymead
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14. July 2004 @ 21:00 |
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Okay, let me point this out. WHAT THE HELL? IS THAT GUY CRAZY? A GeFORCEFX5200! HA!
For the real point. The X series for ATI is actually awesome! The speed is incredible. The Nvidia Cards, though, are good, and are considerably faster, but PCI Express has ought to get even better. From the Benchmarks, Nvidia was cheating, and so was ATI, but only temperarly. I have an ATI Radeon 9600xt, and it's amazing. I get average 60 frame rates per second in Halo, and it goes above lots of times. My PC sucks, but my games are pretty fast.
Stick to it, your not making a bad choice. Price, well, that's something else. Try to find it as cheap as you can.
Also, for new video card users, never buy a GeForceFX 5600 or lower (well, maybe 5600). Also, never buy an ATI Radeon 9200 or lower, or ATI Radeon SE or LE edition cards. Always get original, XT, or Pro.
PC been Bios Flashed, and Formatted (so no more compaq)
1.4 ghz AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (ugh)
ATI Radeon 9600 xt 120 MB (joy)
80 Gig HardDrive (joy, well, yeah...)
Direct X 8.1 Surround Sound AC'97 Sound Card (er...)
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Praetor
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14. July 2004 @ 21:11 |
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Okay, let me point this out. WHAT THE HELL? IS THAT GUY CRAZY? A GeFORCEFX5200! HA!
Not everyone has $10000 in their left coat pocket.
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The X series for ATI is actually awesome
If you're talking about the X800 yea. Anything else you should go back and check the specs again.
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but PCI Express has ought to get even better.
Nothing is close to beginning to saturate AGP8X steady so PCIX is a on-paper advantage. Much like nVidia's support for Pixel Shader 3.0 and ATI's lack of it.
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From the Benchmarks, Nvidia was cheating, and so was ATI, but only temperarly.
Benchmarks can swing either way you know... visit ATI's site and then visit nVidia's site.
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Also, for new video card users, never buy a GeForceFX 5600 or lower (well, maybe 5600). Also, never buy an ATI Radeon 9200 or lower, or ATI Radeon SE or LE edition cards. Always get original, XT, or Pro.
Again, not everyone's got tons of cash lying around :)
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Sunnymead
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14. July 2004 @ 21:24 |
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Predator, I know not many people have lots of cash, but there are places on the internet (like ebay) where you can get things very cheap.
PC been Bios Flashed, and Formatted (so no more compaq)
1.4 ghz AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (ugh)
ATI Radeon 9600 xt 120 MB (joy)
80 Gig HardDrive (joy, well, yeah...)
Direct X 8.1 Surround Sound AC'97 Sound Card (er...)
24x Cd Burner, 48x CD Reader (er...)
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Praetor
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14. July 2004 @ 21:36 |
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Yes but consider that not everyone has a CC so ebay would be a difficult endevour. Like me for instance, I want a CC with a $100 cap but they wont give me one (bastards) so i dont use a CC.
Also, dont forget that after forking out several hundred dollars for mobo, ram, hdd, proc and stuff, forkin out $100-$200 for a video card isnt neccesarily on everyone's top ten list. I'm not sayin you're outright wrong or nothin and I'd reccomend the same thing ... just adding some perspective (from very personal experience at that).
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Sunnymead
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14. July 2004 @ 21:50 |
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Alright.
By the way, nice PC.
PC been Bios Flashed, and Formatted (so no more compaq)
1.4 ghz AMD Athlon XP 1700+ (ugh)
ATI Radeon 9600 xt 120 MB (joy)
80 Gig HardDrive (joy, well, yeah...)
Direct X 8.1 Surround Sound AC'97 Sound Card (er...)
24x Cd Burner, 48x CD Reader (er...)
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