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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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19. September 2008 @ 08:09 |
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Core for Core the E8600 will be about 35-40% faster than the E8600 I reckon. The Q9650 however, will be only about 5% behind, 10 at the absolute most. Once overclocked, the E8600 will probably safely top out about 4.3, and as we've seen from Soph, the Q9650 is good for at least 4Ghz. Based on this, there's no ruddy difference, if you get the best quad core, it's just as good as the dual core for dual core, and with the same monstrous gains where quads are supported. Man, I want one! haha. Thinking about it, the cost for the chip isn't unreasonable either, as it's damn near exactly double what the E8600 costs, which is essentially what you're buying two of. The Q6600 is approximately double the price of a 2MB chip that will max out in the lower-middle 3Ghz zones, maybe a little bit more since the price increases since they haven't affected the budget dual core chips much...
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19. September 2008 @ 08:23 |
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Originally posted by cincyrob:
let me add in on this with my limited knowledge.
Spam. im with you on the E8600 100%, BUT
the bench's you showed is like compareing apples to oranges..a 45nm c2d vs 65nm c2q if they really wanted to compare duals VS quads, wouldnt in been wise to get a E8600 vs Q9650? top of the line in both classes. and both 45nm.
I think theE8600 is a awsome chip but to be the best you gotta challenge the best. and it is just common sense 4 is better than 2(well in most cases). in that test there i dont think its fare to test a new 45nm against a 2 year old 65nm cpu granted the Q66/6700 is still a sweet chip it is older and not the same technology
after seeing Sophs Q9650 post the numbers it has,and me doing the encoding and such that will use all 4 cores(with HC Encoder) it is makeing more logic to go with a quad....look at it this way. you get a Q9650 you are really getting 2 E8600's...lol
thats just how i see it. i know its nothing technical just my way of looking at it. but id still take a E8600 right now with no questions asked. cause the Q9650 is to costly for me ...lol
Well said RedRob. ;) For the money and the needs as of right now with most applications and games the E8600 is a good chip if not great but if looking at some sort of "future proofing" the Q9650 is the way I would go. NOT knowing the fate of i7 as of yet it seems that the market will drive down the E8000 series and Q9000 series chips and I'm personally "in" if it can happen financially. :D
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19. September 2008 @ 08:30 |
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sammorris,
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Pretty much everything about the nehalems... overclockability, BIOS options, heat output, and so on and so forth.
I'm inclined to agree with you. It's sort of scary as Intel is saying a 30% increase in performance, clock for clock, but no one will consider it a success unless it's the best overclocker ever! So much has been guessed at, speculated on and written about it, with some recent tests using some "Not Quite Ready for Prime Time" motherboards have shown some wrinkles that need to be ironed out in the hardware. You can bet that bugs in the X58 will be cured and motherboards plentiful before Core i7 makes it's debut. If the motherboards aren't ready, Core i7 waits! Intel very badly wants to continue their string of successes with the Core2 and the Core2 Quads!
I'm also pretty sure they will wait until interest slackens in the sales of it's current duals and Quads. With Intel pricing the lowest cost Core i7 at $234/1000, prices should fall pretty good, even on the current $1450 one! My best guess is that the Q9650 will be affordable for a lot of us who plan to skip i7, Chapter I! I would guess somewhere around the low $200 range I can see some fun times coming for a lot of us, already! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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19. September 2008 @ 08:32 |
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Put it this way - disregarding the fact that my Q6600 is more than adequate for a moment, I have the means to just plop a Q9650 into my system at the momen, barring the cost. For Nehalem to be of any benefit to me, a new board, RAM and processor combined need to give the same benefit as a Q9650 for the same price... I am somewhat doubtful. Assuming an i7 board costs roughly similar to the board I got for 775, maybe a bit more, that would leave £250 left for the RAM and CPU. 4GB of DDR3 is what, £120? We're left with £130 for a CPU of equal performance to a Q9650. Hmm.
The 920 chip looks like it will hit the UK at £200.
Is there a cheaper i7 I didn't find? I See $284 for the 920, not $234...
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19. September 2008 @ 08:59 |
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sammorris,
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The 920 chip looks like it will hit the UK at £200.
The longer the motherboards take to get the kinks worked out, the lower those prices will get. I doubt the 920 (???) will even continue in production! I think the Q9550 with the new stepping will be the low end of the existing quads after looking over pricing for a while. The Q9550 is only $10 more right now than the Q9450. And the Q9650 is $220 more, so I look for the Q9550 and the Q9650 to stay in production the longest! I'm also going to re-think my price guess and say $199/$249 for each when Core i7 hits!
Happy Computering,
Russ
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19. September 2008 @ 09:15 |
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$199 for the Q9550 quite possibly, but $249 for the Q9650, given that it's currently $550? I'm not so sure...
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19. September 2008 @ 10:09 |
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id love to see benches in games with E8600 vs Q9650, if only i could find them.
but really what i meant by showing that was quads are not more effective than quads, THOUGH sams findings were the opposite to that.
im still confused, but for me unless i can find a Q9550 E0 for £200 (aint gonna happen) ill stick with the E8600 E0.
ill trust fudzilla, because from what i have seen from them over the past 4 months has been a-ok.
Oh and sam, remember one will most likely be buying triple channel DDR3, so the cost may be higher, unless prices fall more. the prices now are brilliant, esp considering how much they have dropped over the last 5-6 months.
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19. September 2008 @ 11:04 |
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Spam
does £200=$365???? if so i can get a Q9550 and its EO stepping, and mail it to you and still make $20 on it..lol
i gota learn the currency rates better..
is it EURO or GBP you guys use? no im not being funny?
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19. September 2008 @ 11:08 |
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It's GBP for us, the actul exchange rate at the moment is 1.75 dollars per pound (was 2.05 earlier this year). However, a $550 CPU will cost us £385, due to the taxes imposed on imported goods, along with VAT on all non-essential products.
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19. September 2008 @ 11:16 |
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so then $289 would be £158
heres a shot of everest. Ive noticed with this mobo it don't show the CPU temp just the core temps. also the mobo temp. guess i got the mobo nice and cool..lol
is there a newer version of everest? or does this one not support the p45 boards properly?
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19. September 2008 @ 13:21 |
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the Q9450 is the best choice for the money. encoding time are great with DVD Rebuilder
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19. September 2008 @ 13:42 |
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no it isnt, the Q9550 is, as its the same price.
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19. September 2008 @ 14:16 |
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Indeed it is. I said the Q9450 too until I was told of the price change... Seemingly it's the same in the USA too, which is rather odd.
Interestingly enough newegg are out of the Q9450s at present - just out of stock, or have they stopped selling them I wonder?
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19. September 2008 @ 15:33 |
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I'm on the phone with Newegg as I type this. They are willing to Exchange it, but will charge me 40bucks restocking. What do U think I should do? This is the initial cost
ASUS P5Q Premium LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard $259.99
Or should I take a chance on just swapping the Brd 4 a new one
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19. September 2008 @ 16:01 |
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Originally posted by rick5446:
I'm on the phone with Newegg as I type this. They are willing to Exchange it, but will charge me 40bucks restocking. What do U think I should do? This is the initial cost
ASUS P5Q Premium LGA 775 Intel P45 ATX Intel Motherboard $259.99
Or should I take a chance on just swapping the Brd 4 a new one
What about the Deluxe model rick?? It's a proven mobo and I think it's only $199 at present. ;) Just an idea. Sorry to hear that you're having issues with that mobo. :(
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19. September 2008 @ 16:04 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
Dead
Go over all your cable connections and check your panel control connections to insure that you have your polarities right.
It's still possible to get your hands on a socket 939 (that is your processors socket type?) server board but getting one in stock could be an issue.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131160
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDet...=249611
Thanks for the links soph, I didnt remember Opty's were originally meant for server use until you posted those links. The one at zip zoom is in stock. For the price though, I can almost get a decent midrange 775 mobo and CPU, and since theres interest in my CPU in the resale market I'm leaning that direction.
My cables are currently the same (front panel switch, reset, HDD and power LED's only) as they were when it ran for over an hour. I hook up all USB's, firewires, and audio after the system proves to work.
I have rechecked power supply, and tested with PC3200 instead of the PC3500 I'd originally used. Also reset CMOS, so, I'm at a loss.
I'd be OK with it being crap mobo if it wouldnt have given me the hour worth of of working setup time! Now its just irritating!
P.S.---Does it help if I mention that it was supposed to turn off after pressing the switch for 4 seconds but didnt.
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19. September 2008 @ 16:41 |
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greensman : I'm going to try and get in touch with ASUS and see if I've got a troubled Brd. If they will know or own up to it, I've been trying 4 a mon to call them. I guess I'm going to have 2 foot the bill on the call, their 800 is still busy signal. Newegg said if I swapped the Brd and the same problem persists, I could turn it back 4 a refund less 40bucks & get something else. So figure I'd put a little time into swapping things around and see. TIME,TIME,TIME, what the hell!!
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19. September 2008 @ 18:02 |
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I've got a timer that I use when calling Long Distance. WOW ! If this ain't the SHITZ. I'M on the phone with ASUS, my dime. 1st U get the operator, takes 3mins,then she transfers U to tech support U get a level 1 tech takes 15mins. He can't help, he transfers U to a level 3 tech. How long does this take another 15 mins., give me a case number & RMA to return the brd.Another 15mins.Do they want to help U NO, Can they help U NO. All this BS just to return the brd for them to check and see if their is a problem. When in fact they could help with a little trouble shooting, right now. I'm going to send this back to Newegg, if the next brd comes with the same problem, then I'm done with ASUS.
I've put together 5 Computers just this yr all with ASUS 2 AMD, 3 INTEL
This is my 1st experience getting help frm mfgr. Never again with ASUS, Arrogant AssHoles I think
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19. September 2008 @ 18:44 |
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Samsung are much the same, but without the waiting time. :P
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19. September 2008 @ 18:45 |
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rick5446,
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This is my 1st experience getting help frm mfgr. Never again with ASUS, Arrogant AssHoles I think
At least you will get a new, hopefully fully functional one! Some great products, but Asus poor service is legendary! Not throwing rocks or bashing, just stating a well known fact!!
Hang in there Rick, if they want to evaluate the old MB, then it can be as much as a 29 day wait for them to repair it! 21days + ship time both ways! I hope they do give you a new MB! It'll be quicker!
Best Regards,
Russ
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19. September 2008 @ 19:06 |
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I've got a timer that I use when calling Long Distance. WOW ! If this ain't the SHITZ. I'M on the phone with ASUS, my dime.
Rick
You can do an RMA with Asus online. I did one last year. I wish I had the email address but go to their forums and you will find it. I never do RMA's by phone, always look for the web option.
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19. September 2008 @ 20:20 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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I've got a timer that I use when calling Long Distance. WOW ! If this ain't the SHITZ. I'M on the phone with ASUS, my dime.
Rick
You can do an RMA with Asus online. I did one last year. I wish I had the email address but go to their forums and you will find it. I never do RMA's by phone, always look for the web option.
That's what I did with my Striker Extreme!! NO hassles and from departure to arrival it was about 2 weeks max. I will say this tho, it took about 10-14 days for a reply once I sent my RMA request in.
I'm looking for the correct website for the RMA process. If anyone has it definitely post it please. lol. I'm much like Sophy in the fact that I can't find it. ROFL... I'm under 40 too!!! :D
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19. September 2008 @ 20:23 |
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@rick
ASUS support (try the trouble shooting section if you dare... :P)
I think you have to register for the forums or somthing. Try that. good luck. :)
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19. September 2008 @ 21:18 |
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I'm much like Sophy in the fact that I can't find it. ROFL
Hm! Perhaps that's why "you're laughing out loud and rolling on the floor" looking for it????
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I'm under 40 too!!! :D
Sigh!! So are many!! Alas, "I am what I am!" Quoth "Popeye."
FIN? Use the internet, it's cheaper for them, and easier for you.
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19. September 2008 @ 21:34 |
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I use my cell phone to make non toll free long distance calls. I have a nationwide plan and I never come close to using up all my monthly minutes anyway.
for RMA authorizations, I also do that via email for the few that I have had. for technical support tho I use my cell phone.
rick,
I don't know what probs you are having but have you searched for resolutions in the asus forum? have you tried a bios update? when I first installed the Q9450 in my rampage formula, I was having a problem with my pc rebooting a couple times a day while at idle even tho it passed all stress testing with flying colors.
after reading through the asus forum (under rampage formula) it turns out there was an issue with the Q9450 with LLC (loadline calibration) enabled. all I had to do was disable LLC. asus finally came out with a bios update (0407) that resolved this issue and I can now enable LLC.
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