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The Official PC building thread -3rd Edition
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18. September 2008 @ 17:34 |
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That is strange for sure. You know that your cpu and psu are good right?? You don't have a grounding problem either? I'm needing more info personally. lol. I'd be looking at the video card or PCI slot as well.
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18. September 2008 @ 17:47 |
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That was my thought too GM, but wouldnt you hear a beep, if not a proper code? The card (7600GT) is fine, the fan spins on the bad board and does its job with a good one.
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18. September 2008 @ 17:57 |
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18. September 2008 @ 18:02 |
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18. September 2008 @ 18:14 |
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Benchmark me all you like, it doesn't take from the fact that in my REAL world experience every game that supports quad cores runs at nearly double the speed of a 65nm dual core. You can't take paper readings like these and just slap them into real world results, it doesn't happen.
Not all games may be like Crysis, but 25fps is laggy. 46fps is not. For those intending to throw away their existing board as soon as Nehalem hits, it isn't such a big deal, but for those who have just saved potentially over a hundred pounds by upgrading their system before the falling pound hit home on component prices, it's nice to know their Quad core CPU is already at work enchancing their games, and will only get better at doing so further down the line.
Age of Conan was unbearably laggy on a Dual core. It's practically silk on a Quad, HD4870 or HD4870X2, the results were the same. Dual core failed at that game.
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18. September 2008 @ 18:33 |
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I can save you guys a bit of grief. On single and dual threaded games the fastest clocked processor of the same make will win and that is usually a dual core, but not always. On a quad threaded game a quad core will walk all over a dual core almost regardless of clock speed. Running most of today's games dual core has the advantage but in a matter of months a dual core will be hard pressed to keep up. I just read an article the other day on just this debate but I can't remember which one since I read so many. Graphics card GPU's are having a hard time trying to keep up with the complexities of modern rendering and more and more of the code is going to make use of multi core processors, and having more cores is going to be a benefit, but not today on most games.:D
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18. September 2008 @ 18:36 |
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If there were a small number of titles in which it worked a bit, but not much, then I'd be more agreeable with Duals still being better for games, but since there are several that do it ok, and at least a couple that do it very well indeed, it's more of a good sign for quad core gaming. Several of the people at my LAN party have quads, and they're not idiots, far from it.
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18. September 2008 @ 19:19 |
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brilliant article russ, im happy :D
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option...d=9489&Itemid=1
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One of the biggest concerns about Bloomfield X58 motherboards were previous reports that X58 boards will have to use the same voltage for Vcore, CPU and Vmem, the memory on the board. In previous reports, we learned that first revision of the boards had these two things Vcore and Vmem synchronous.
We learned that motherboard manufacturers will be able to separate the CPU and memory voltages and yes this means that you will be able to set the voltage on your CPU independently from the one on your memory.
This will certainly make the overclocking much easier as you won?t burn your CPU with 1.8V voltages that you might need for some ultra faster DDR3 memories. You can expect that next Asus, MSI, Gigabyte board among the others comes with separate Vmem and Vcore settings. /quote]
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18. September 2008 @ 20:52 |
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spamual,
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brilliant article russ, im happy :D
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought the real issue for overclockers was the frequency of the memory controller being controlled by the CPU speed, limiting the ability to OC well? I'll have to check back a ways in the thread and see what the original article said about it!
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18. September 2008 @ 21:15 |
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The article is saying that just because the memory controller is on chip along side the CPU doesn't mean that it will affect the ability to control memory voltage as a separate entity. Anyone who has owned an AMD CPU could have told them that. I still have some concern regarding Nehalem's overclock ability, because the memory controller is on chip. With AMD it wasn't too much of an issue because Hyper transport multiplied times 5 to get the effective bus width versus Intel's quad pumped front side bus. That's why I decided to pick up the Q9650 because I think that the differences could be less than many expect. As a result I don't intend to move to Nehalem until at least a second generation. I have plenty of horse power for now. When the 8 core Nehalems become mainstream and affordable then I will be ready to make the jump.
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18. September 2008 @ 21:21 |
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By the looks of things i7 chips will have a higher TDP than the Yorkfields as well...
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18. September 2008 @ 21:29 |
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However, it it turns out that not only will Nehalem be offering 6 and 8 cores but it also overclocks as well then just call me fickle. LOL
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18. September 2008 @ 21:31 |
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Heh, unless I start ripping High def I'll probably pass on the Octa-core for now haha - look at the debates we've had with duals vs quads! :P
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18. September 2008 @ 21:38 |
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look at the debates we've had with duals vs quads!
Wouldn't that make an 8 core CPU the ultimate consensus chip since is effectively "dual quads.":P
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18. September 2008 @ 21:40 |
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Haha, yes it would... The mind boggles at the 3dmark score you'd get though!
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18. September 2008 @ 21:42 |
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Sophocles,
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However, it it turns out that not only will Nehalem be offering 6 and 8 cores but it also overclocks as well then just call me fickle. LOL
It's funny but it sounds like the old higher clock speed thing with Intel all over again! Only this time they have the horses to go along with the clock speed, where before with the D series all they had was a dead Dog with a nervous Twitch! ROFLMAO!! I just hope that Intel isn't peeing on their shoes again! They're famous for that! LOL!!
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18. September 2008 @ 21:45 |
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I certainly hope so, with Netburst reinstated, it's too reminiscent of the Pentium Ds... High clocks, high heat, Intel are worrying me. Still, this time round, AMD have already made the Pentium D! lol
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18. September 2008 @ 21:52 |
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bascially before they said the Vcore and VRAM are linked, which would stop the Vcore at about 1.5 ish and the ram would only clock to about 1333
now its unlinked, so wehey.
next you lot are concerned at the OCability?
http://www.fudzilla.com/index.php?option...d=9490&Itemid=1
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Our sources have confirmed that you will be able to clock the cheapest, $284 priced Nehalem from 2.66GHz all the way to 4GHz.
This is definitely good news for many overclockers and enthusiasts but of course you will need a good board to achieve such an overclock.
When it comes to overclocking whatever rating you?ve seen on Yorkfield 45nm quad core overclocking should be seen with Nehalem, and we all know that Core 2 generation was one of the best thing for overclocking since the beginning of time.
Naturally the unlocked Core i7 Extreme edition at 3.2GHz default clock might be able to clock even more but 4GHz from 2.66GHz is definitely an impressive number.
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18. September 2008 @ 22:05 |
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I wouldn't get too excited about anything that fudzilla is posting. They don't quote their sources and they just don't strike me as an Intel insider group. Now if Anandtech was the source I would give it credence. Of course the memory and controller are unlinked. One is on the chip and the other is on the board which leaves the option open to the board manufacturer, but I wouldn't count on Intel boards giving any leeway.
I really am hoping that Nehalem have some stuff under the hood because dealing with large and high definition graphics files are show stoppers. I want my stuff ready in an hour maybe even two but not 16.;D
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18. September 2008 @ 22:16 |
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firstly its i7, and they ate the 920 (2.66) 940(2.93) 965(3.2 extreme), not nehalem. :P
and secondly, its been a long long time since fudzilla posted horrible roumers. they do post reliable stuff. and anandtech dont normally and a news section unless you count dailytech.
fudzilla, IMO are becoming quite reputable. they were brilliant dureing the build up to the GT200 and R700 gfx cards. predicted quite a bit stuff true, esp the big thing of 800SP instead of 480, which most other sites were saying.
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18. September 2008 @ 23:44 |
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Sophocles,
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I wouldn't get too excited about anything that fudzilla is posting. They don't quote their sources and they just don't strike me as an Intel insider group.
My feelings exactly! I've been reading some of their stuff and for people supposedly "In the Know" they do an awful lot of correcting themselves from post to post! They're posts are begining to sound an awful lot like mostly Un-educated Guess Work! They seem to throw things out there and then make corrections based on other forums work. If they were in the mix with Intel as a real source, they wouldn't be doing that! It's also bothersome that they never supply links to back up what they say!
If spamual wants to stretch thinks a bit farther I could lay claim to being the first person, Anywhere to report a 3 core AMD! Or HD graphics on board that are designed to work in conjunction with the chipset for better HD3200 and up Graphics!
I think 1t was about 3 years ago for the 3 core, wasn't it?. The three core is here and so are the graphics! I missed badly on the Purpose of the third core, but there's still a 3 core for sale today! With the graphics, They've even exceeded my own expectations. Foxconn has a $235 MB called the destroyer, which is an SLI board with OBG! nVidia GeForce 8 series on board! Or Asus with the $145 AMD 790GX with Ati HD3300 Graphics!
The first part of this information was garnered straight from the source, as I'm sure you remember. I overheard a conversation between two AMD execs on the train going to work! Needless to say, I kept my mouth shut and my ears wide open. I didn't ask any questions, either! LOL!! The graphics were a guess based on my experience with the on board nVidia 6100 graphics. They were a stunning leap from any other OBG ever seen before! I just reasoned that if nVidia was doing that good a graphics on a cheap MB, then there's got to be more of the same coming on the higher mid priced motherboards!
My whole point is my track record is much better than Fudzilla's and I've had one real good source! So I'll give my track record 75%! I think that's fair since I only missed the purpose of the third core! My guessing seems better than their facts! I think they make it up as they go along as they are always a bit behind Tom's, Anandtec and even Cnet! For that reason I think Fudzilla is more BS than actual facts!
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19. September 2008 @ 07:38 |
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Bombshell:
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19. September 2008 @ 07:39 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Bombshell:
"I'll believe it when I see it"
Believe what?
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19. September 2008 @ 07:41 |
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Pretty much everything about the nehalems... overclockability, BIOS options, heat output, and so on and so forth.
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19. September 2008 @ 08:00 |
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let me add in on this with my limited knowledge.
Spam. im with you on the E8600 100%, BUT
the bench's you showed is like compareing apples to oranges..a 45nm c2d vs 65nm c2q if they really wanted to compare duals VS quads, wouldnt in been wise to get a E8600 vs Q9650? top of the line in both classes. and both 45nm.
i think theE8600 is a awsome chip but to be the best you gotta challenge the best. and it is just common sense 4 is better than 2(well in most cases). in that test there i dont think its fare to test a new 45nm against a 2 year old 65nm cpu granted the Q66/6700 is still a sweet chip it is older and not the same technology
after seeing Sophs Q9650 post the numbers it has,and me doing the encoding and such that will use all 4 cores(with HC Encoder) it is makeing more logic to go with a quad....look at it this way. you get a Q9650 you are really getting 2 E8600's...lol
thats just how i see it. i know its nothing technical just my way of looking at it. but id still take a E8600 right now with no questions asked. cause the Q9650 is to costly for me ...lol
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