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5. February 2009 @ 23:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Ouch. Again, I state my dislike of quad GPUs LOL!

No benchmark for Warhead AFAIK. Maybe there are some custom benchmark programs floating around? Let's at least see some results from Crysis. Both 2560 and 1920, AA and no plz :D



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Crysis Warhead Fraps results (First action sequence, all settings Enthusiast)

1920x1200 25-40
1920x1200 4xAA 22-36
2560x1600 15-26, odd dips to 12
2560x1600 4xAA 12-23, one dip to 10

It's worth noting that the first time I tried 2560 with 4xAA, Crysis maxed out my 4GB of RAM and the system started paging. It took me about 5 minutes to alt-tab, open task manager and close the process after I realised this, that's how badly the system ran. The problem has yet to recur, but that was quite amazing. Idle memory usage is around 700MB, putting Crysis' demand above 3.4GB, well above, as it only reached 80% loading.

Now going to try normal Crysis benchmark tool.





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Crysis Benchmark tool results
(First run only, don't have the time to run multiples, so results will be slightly lower due to loading lag)

1920x1200 30.03
1920x1200 4xAA 28.29
2560x1600 23.60
2560x1600 4xAA 19.77
All settings Very High.



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Impressive results for very high :D But with AA it looks painful to run, lol.

I can see the urge to use AA to, in effect, "max" the game. But from my own experience, AA doesn't do much for the visuals. In fact, with FSAA enabled, it disables the foliage AA already used in the game. So AA should be left to bragging rights benching and no AA should be used for real gameplay, IMO.

I'm really enjoying the ToD mod right now in most parts and not so much in a few parts. During daytime sequences, it has a profound impact on the game and really looks fantastic. But when it gets dark, it REALLY gets dark. Flashlights and night vision are actually required to navigate, lol. It actually hinders gameplay to an extent. Especially in the last parts of Relic(driving in pitch dark anyone?) and Onslaught.

The ToD mod makes it get dark in the end of Onslaught when it was originally a completely daytime level. This makes it really difficult to navigate the huge area. I actually disable the mod for doing that level. Though watching the airstrike on the ammo dump is a real treat with ToD :D

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I may have to try that mod. You are right about AA in the original Crysis, Warhead's AA is better, but also more demanding.



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Recent attempts have shown better Crossfire performance with Warhead. With the CCC high config and lots of tweaks, I get about 32-36FPS in normal play. And frequently down to and below 25 in the ice levels or with intense visual fireworks going on. Over all, not bad. But Crysis still runs much smoother even later on. About 36-40FPS in normal play, only dropping to the mid-high 20s or so with intense visuals. Both using nearly identical configs.



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That's because the scaling is now as good, Warhead is just a much more demanding game than the original Crysis, in stark contrast to what they originally said.



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Found CrossfireX off this morning, rather strangely. Not sure if last night's tests were using 2 GPUs or 4. Re-ran the Crysis Very High test at 2560x1600 no AA but with 3 runs this time, and got an average of 28.96. 22.99 with 4x AA.



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Oh yeah. I finally did some OCing on the Phenom II this morning. 3.708GHz, 18 x 206MHz FSB w/ 1.45v. Running Orthos Prime but all looks stable after 8 hours so far. 34*C idle and 58*C load. Nice going AMD, you guys have made an excellent chip :D

EDIT: LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AMD Phenom II 940 BE @ 3.708GHz 18 x 206MHz 1.45v
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Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 3.708GHz 412MHz FSB 1.45v
2 x 1GB Mushkin XP PC2-6400 @ DDR2 825 CL 4-4-3-10 2.1v



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What voltage?



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Read my edit. Any higher and it would have needed 1.5v or more. Max that would boot was 3.9GHz w/ 1.55v and a crazy 4GHz at 1.65v. But that didn't stay long :P



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Clock for clock then, the Phenom II's probably about the same as the Q6600 then?



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I'd say so yeah. The memory bandwidth and latency are better, but mostly the same FPS in everything, including Crysis, and the same 3D Mark score. Just under 18000 at default settings. It really is a clock-for-clock equal. And I got both for about the same price.

They even get better temps. Go figure XD AMD really brought back some competition. Check my profile for the final temp readings.



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Well yes, at stock they did, the Q9400 is the same price :) I still have to pay £32 more for a Phenom II 940 than a Q6600 though and I get a free game with the latter, so when overclocked, nah. It's good to see AMD finally breaking the 3.3-3.4Ghz barrier for overclocks though, hopefully they'll get a bit further with newer chips and start becoming competitive again.





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Well it was mostly about finding the right architecture to allow speed, value, and OCing. And they seem to have finally hit the mark with both video cards AND CPUs. So hopefully, everything new from AMD/ATi will improve on Phenom II and HD4000. We might see performance rivals to i7 and the GTX280.



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Rivals to the GTX280 will certainly come in time. Not so sure about i7, the 940 is a long way off beating anything but the i7 920.



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Sam and Estuansis, nice to see you guys cranking on your new hardware. Sam do you need a bigger case?

(By the way, CCC - are you guys talking Catalyst, or a crysis hack I should take note of when I finally get the new rig built - lol)

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CCC Custom Crysis Config. Comes packed with the ToD mod. Google it.



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Thanks - and - just curious - is that ToD mod the same one you used to like a lot - made the sky a little rosier in crysis?
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LOL... rosier... it actually changes the entire lighting scheme of the game. And yes it's the same one. Basically makes the lighting more dynamic and natural. They change the time of day settings for all the levels.



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Niiice - ToD - Time of Day - thanks for explaining that part too. I'm sitting here with this big monster - wait til I post a shot of it next to the little one - remember that Schwarzenneger movie "Twins" with Danny DeVito? All I can do with the P4 is maybe go back and play COD2 - Maybe. No point in playing anything else if I can't turn the settings up.

Well, if I finalize this next transaction and get paid this month, I'll start toward the $1500 new build.

Just to check one last time, so we're sure, guys, core 2 duo quad (and Phenom quad) beats i7 quad, for gaming? Right?

For high resolutions 22" and above, the greek-translated benches proved it - but any other benches agree?

I mean I'm getting all new mobo and everything - I could go i7 for about $200-300 more. But I'm only interested in gaming - not video editing or anything else, lol. So nehalem may be great for all kinds of other stuff, but I just want the best rig for gaming. Core 2 duo quad, right - Q9550 oc'ed to 4 ghz. (I'm not quite ready to join you in Phenom, Estuansis - maybe next build.)

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Well for all intents and purposes, Intel will still give you a faster, better OCing, and more refined product for your money. Phenom II as-is is a bit too power hungry and still doesn't OC near as well. They will have to work on it before Intel should be seriously worried. But I suspect that will change soon when AMD starts expanding on AM3. Maybe next time, eh?

The Q9550 will serve you well for years and will be awesome for gaming. I would, in fact, recommend one over i7, just because of the extra cost. i7 is faster in games, but it really is only worth it if you see yourself needing every ounce of power you can get. Which I don't think you will. i7 would be more suitable for heavy duty multi GPU rigs like Sam's. It's super overkill for anything but.

Monitor-wise I recommend a 1920 res display. Good balance of visuals and speed. 2560 requires ungodly power and constantly updated hardware, while 1680 is more for the mid range gamer.



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The Core 2 and Phenom 2 don't beat the i7, the i7 just isn't any better, and more expensive, and therefore not worth having (for gaming, at least)
As far as monitors are concerned, 24"s are more suitable, but the versatility of 30" screens is wonderful if you can afford one. You don't have to use native res, you can scale up and sit back, or you can 'centre box' to the same effect as a 24".





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(Another long post - damn Ray's gonna complain again!)



. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . " Jiminy Cricket, meet King Kong! "




Lol.

This is something that Sam probably knows, but maybe nobody else noticed:

There is a Russian girl in the early sections of Call of Duty 2.

I went upstairs in the Stalingrad apartment building, entering the short hallway where the Germans waited in ambush around the corner, and there she was, in brown uniform and tight pony tail, two more of our comrades grouped just beyond.

I have played through this part several times before. I said to myself, "Where did she come from?"

I went back. Crouched down on the floor near the wall, looking straight ahead, she moved her head slowly back and forth, pausing to create a bit of warmth by rubbing together her cold, partially gloved hands, her breath a thick fog in the sub-zero winter chill.

I forget her name, Zilda maybe. She was immediately killed by a grenade when she joined the fight. I was also killed later before finishing the round, and passing her the second time through I was much more aggressive - dead nazis don't toss grenades. She survived that time, and she surfaced again when it was my unit's turn to go out and repair the telephone line.

I'll be damned! A Russian girl soldier! Sam always talks about "gorging on pixels." The newegg reviewers mention "more immersive."

You simply notice more things in 30 inches!

Estuansis - with your love for the graphics - your photographer's eyes' appreciation for the subtleties of the artistic rendering - you may seriously want to reconsider your position on 30". Yes, as Sam says, 24" is more suitable. At that resolution it's easier for the hardware to keep up with the games. Your arguments are valid - 2560x1600 is too much of a load on the system - big monitor investment - and beyond that it forces one to always invest in the latest and greatest hardware!

However, beyond the initial one-time investment, Sam promotes the versatility of the monitor - run it in a 23" letterbox in the middle of the screen if the game is unbearably burdensome, like GTA4 or Warhead. Run it in full, glorious 30" size, for the more reasonable titles, like Call of Duty 4 and 5, and Hells Highway. And to those arguments I can only add: Estuansis, I never before noticed the COD2 Russian girl! Lol And I confess, even without makeup, she's kinda cute! Hahahaha.

I am getting 44-48 frames a second, 2560x1600, with all settings maxed, no AA. My on-screen ati tray tool display - tiny up in the right top corner of the screen - I never even notice it - shows virtually 100% gpu load, and about 80% cpu load. My 3850 is performing brilliantly - maybe it's time to try 4x AA. I'm so glad I never got the gecube - I'm sure the 512mb vram is helping a lot. Everything is as smooth as silk - no stutters at all!

It's funny. When I first brought the 30" home, I wasn't so sure about the screen sharpness - my wallpaper didn't look all that great. As I found out later - webshots was fully stretching some of the lower resolution 16:9 photos, whereas none of the higher res photos I was trying out had that aspect raio. Anyway, two nights ago I got some time to really check things out, before playing COD2. As I saw by tiling, resolution-wise, none of my screen wallpaper is 2560x1600 - every picture is less - the maximum on a few is 1600x1200.

In stretch mode, Webshots was not even trying to stretch those, maybe because of the 4:3 aspect ratio, but was instead displaying those largest 1600x1200 pictures as wallpaper with the picture in the middle of the screen, as Sam was just talking about. They did look fantastic, that is true - I see what letterbox gaming will look like when I have to drop back to 1920x1200, and I see that it will look great! You don't really notice the border - it blends in with the black case finish.

For my desktop wallpaper, I didn't want the border, so I decided to try tile mode, instead of stretch. The result was amazing! Absolutely gorgeous, crystal clear pictures, including some family shots that partially tiled with half of the picture again, still looking great like that, and some other shots that create amazing full-screen wallpaper effects with 10 colorful tiles. I took a couple hours to go through all 2000+ wallpapers and pick out the best 200 to cycle through for daily wallpaper, and for 10-second screensaver images when I let the rig sit for a while. Sharp and stunning! (By the way, if anybody wants the free webshots program, I have the old version before they messed it up - only about 1.5 mb. Let me know.)

Then, after all that wallpaper selection, I turned on Call of Duty 2 and was up all night of course! LOL

So, the 4800 3dmark6 p4 3.2ghz, and the 3850, encounter no problem at all at 2560x1600 on COD2 (of course - it's a three year old title!) I can't wait to replay my favorite game from the Medal of Honor series - Pacific Assault - with the bombing of Pearl Harbor in that fantastic opener - I hope they also support the 2560x1600. (If not no reason to replay!) And I know that Half Life 2 supports that resolution. I'll be going back through that one too, and all the episodes. I'll see how 2007 Episode 2 works out!

I'm probably good on the two earlier Band of Brothers titles too. The 2008 title, Hells Highway, which destroys me in cpu-generated rain about 2/3 of the way through the game, might work too, even if quite laggy, with low settings - before the rain, that is. I supose I really should wait for the new build on that one, but just for the fun of it I might try to go to the mission with the beautiful farmyard with the windmill, to see what it looks like in 30 stunning inches. I might turn everything up and see if I can get 10 fps, lol. Four days ago, I briefly tried the 2008 Medal of Honor Airborne - with all settings low it runs slightly laggy around 25 fps or so. Best not to play that one until the new build. I think best not to play anything that I can't maximize the settings, or at least very high on crysis with the dual 4870x2 boards.

Speaking of New Build, I have made some progress! I bought the computer case!
Originally posted by why Rich went over to Microcenter:
I went over to Microcenter about 20 minutes from here in Tustin - my printer repair guy had mentioned them to me regarding rebuilt laptops. I had to pick up another Linksys access point for Vanessa (sister of Miles, the Valve L4D animator) who has a hot spot in the back bedroom but needs to be able to work with her laptop in the living room. I found out that the $80 Linksys, which I run in client mode - linking my wired trailer office with the wireless router inside the house - has three other modes - one of which is range extender. I can run a site survey and get the mac wireless address of the neighborhood hot spot, and see if the range extender will give her the wireless hookup for the other side of her little LA rental. Worst case, I can run it in client mode, like I run mine - I have a couple of 50 foot ethernet cables if that's the only mode that I can get working.
I had never heard about Microcenter - but they are online - plus 21 retail locations spread around the United States. You can order online and have them ship, or you can tell them what store you are planning to stop by, and then they only show you items in stock for that particular store. I needed the Linksys for yesterday's visit. So I stopped by Microcenter Saturday evening, having ordered everything online. Nice store, and a big sign inside near the motherboard section says "Better prices than Tiger Direct and Newegg!" I don't know about that - but I was trying to use up my Paypal $250 credit, so while I was online I took a look to see what computer cases they carried. They didn't have NZXT, but they do carry Antec.
Originally posted by why Rich was comparing NZXT Tempest to Antec 1200:
Besides the Tempest, I had been considering the $189 Antec 1200, currently at Newegg for $169. There were 4 things I liked better about the 1200 over the Tempest: 1. easier to clean front filters - no need to pop the whole front off like the Tempest; 2. one big 200mm fan on top, on which I can place my answering machine office telephone, when the computer is idle, to keep dust from dropping in - easier than dealing with two 140mm fan holes on top of the Tempest - same total area of fan coverage by the way; 3. fan controllers on every fan which saves me $30 for a 5.25 slot fan controller - for the rare times, if ever, that I will be using the computer and not gaming; and finally 4. slightly .5" wider case, which means just a bit more room for the 160mm utra 120 hsf cooler - the Tempest was probably going to be okay in that regard - but it was possibly going to be quite a tight fit.
Yes, there were 17 Antec 1200 cases in stock in Tustin, - for only $129 - $40 less than the $169 price at Newegg! Holy Cow!

I have bought from Tiger Direct a couple times - they have the advantage of no California 8% sales tax. But now I swear I will always compare Microcenter prices to Newegg before I buy from now on. In my visit to the store, I met some pretty nice salespeople - some of them fairly knowledgeable. I told one guy in the motherboard section that the 1366 gigabyte boards wouldn't work for me because we found out that high res gaming needs core 2 duo quad. He was asking me about that - and then he showed me me the P45 Gigabyte UD3 board. I told him I needed the X48 for the two 16x pci-e slots - when he came back after checking he said that when you put in two boards, even the 16x drops down to 8x - you have two 8x slots in crossfire! (That's what he told me, but that's not what the product literature says - hmmmm.)

Anyway, we started talking about cpu architecture, and he took me over to the cpu section. One of his friends over there was really knowlegeable, and he started talking about the re-introduction of hyper-threading on the i7, which is what I have on the P4. He said that the nehalem quad pictures show 8 little engines. (Now that I think about it, I wonder if that works against them for gaming.)

He showed me on google photos that my P4 is actually two separate cpus, with the ability to maintain two separate threads. What keeps it from being called two "cores" as in the two distinct cores of core two duo, is that each little P4 cpu has to share execution path and memory access. So I have to admit, the Microcenter visit was a very nice experience.

I hope I don't have problems with their return policy - all the reviewers say that Newegg is great to work with in that regard. Another thing that is really great about Newegg, is that they have a vastly superior product search engine. Microcenter online is very weak in that regard, with limited product photos, and no reviews.

But Microcenter is relatively close by for me, and for anyone who lives near their other centers - only 21 in the US. And, at least occasionally, as I discovered with the Antec 1200, they have KILLER prices!!

Rich
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Rich - glad to see things are going well with the 30".
visit http://interfacelift.com for some 30" wallpapers.
One of the first things you learn when you get a monitor like this is how to hack games to support the resolution, usually you can just stick 2560x1600 in the config file and it will work, even though the game doesn't list 2560x1600 in the options. Google 'widescreen gaming' for some help on those.





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