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Besides being great fun for OC(ing) one can save a bundle on their heating bill. Definitely a winner for those who live in colder climates. Still for those occasional warm days, a person had best not forget to install the Zalman 9500 if they're going to do any serious OC(ing) at all.
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To determine if we needed a new power supply for our test system, we also loaded the CPU in tandem with the graphics card. This produced a measurement of total power consumption of 512 watts at the wall socket! This might sound like a lot, but also requires that you factor in the efficiency rating of the power supply itself. Most PSUs have efficiency ratings of somewhere between 75 and 80 percent, which means that the components in our test system are consuming 384 W of power. Thus, those who have a 500 Watt power supply in their PCs can overclock this CPU without a second thought.
I do believe I'd go with a 500 watt or better PSU on this one.
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brobear
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Gremlins. The page wasn't switching.
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Very interesting article,I too am contemplating a build using this processor though only for the overclocking challenge.
No matter what the outcome may be,I have no plans on jumping ship as I like many others believe Amd still has a secret weapon waiting in the wings.
Only time will tell...Ah yes,I love suspense!
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mmm, Gremlins have been popping up a lot on AD recently.
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11. May 2006 @ 10:15 |
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No matter what the outcome may be,I have no plans on jumping ship as I like many others believe Amd still has a secret weapon waiting in the wings.
Where's Baltekmi? I distinctly remember him saying that Intel had a secret weapon. LOL ... and they still have the vapor processor to release.
In the spirit of competition, I suspect we'll be seeing more developments from both Intel and AMD.
Using ship analogies, I think I'll be like a Ferry; go from one side to the other depending on who has the most interesting toy at their dock.
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11. May 2006 @ 10:28 |
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@brobear,I like that one.May I use it?
Actually I do have systems from both of the big boys and my opinion is that they are both very good...depending on the task at hand.Though I presently am leaning more toward Amd...it could just be "new toy excitement"
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11. May 2006 @ 10:52 |
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Heres a quick question.
So I OC'ed my system, as you can see from my past posts and everything is great. However, sometimes I feel like some times my system is as slow as a Pentium II processor. Is this b/c my memory is now on a divider? I believe its on a 15 divider. Is that the case? And how can I fix it?
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11. May 2006 @ 11:05 |
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In doing anything, or just particular tasks?
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It's most likely being bottlenecked by your hard drive.
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If it's ultra slow perhaps not, but that's a definite possibility. Have you defragged recently?
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If it's ultra slow perhaps not, but that's a definite possibility.
All hard disks are bottlenecks compared to CPU and memory and any jerkiness or slowing is most likely caused by it. Even a fragmented Raptor will bottleneck but a 7200 RPM hard disk that's about 40% filled and slightly fragmented will cause it to slow down as well.
Here's another consideration that most people overlook, the actual swap/paging file can also become fragmented. Windows Disk Defragmenter won't defrag it when your computer is on line. You have to either get an application that defrag's it such as diskeeper, or do it manually by eliminating your paging file, and then defragmenting your hard disk and then recreate a paging file again. If you don't have lots of system memory this can also be done in safe mode.
Another problem can be a cluttered or fragmented registry but the problem that was described is most likely hard disk related.
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Yeah, didn't know abt the page file though!
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Sophocles,
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We had a look at one of the first solutions back in March, AOpen's i975Xa-YDG</a.. This is a full-fledged Core Duo ATX motherboard, but its 975X chipset is not known to be energy efficient.
I keep telling you that it's dyslexia of the eyes. I just mis-read it. Sorry bout that!
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Feel free to use it. ;)
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Strange you landed on another socket configuration which uses processors with the more efficient 65 nm process specs.
Those D805(s) are available all day long at a lot of dealers and who would want the $289 AOpen mobo when they could have Asus boards for about $180 to $230 US. Plus, if we're to take Tomshardware to be a reliable source, the only mobos they're suggesting for use at present are Asus and Gigabyte with the D805.
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Brobear,
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Where's Baltekmi? I distinctly remember him saying that Intel had a secret weapon. LOL ... and they still have the vapor processor to release.
It probably overheated and melted down!
On the 500 watt PS. That's the current draw on the AC line. The componants draw a fair ammount less from the PS! Not only that, you almost never get a situation where everything is running at once. I just bought another Demon Silver Chrome 480 watt PS for the new one. Even with the 7900GT it won't come close to drawing that. I have a DVD-Rom, DVD Burner, a CD-RW, A Maxtor Diamond Plus ata133 hard drive and 7 fans. One of these days (when I'm not so lazy) I'll stick an amprobe to it and see exactly what it draws.
Food for thought, tip of the day: "Never pet a burning dog"!
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To determine if we needed a new power supply for our test system, we also loaded the CPU in tandem with the graphics card. This produced a measurement of total power consumption of 512 watts at the wall socket! This might sound like a lot, but also requires that you factor in the efficiency rating of the power supply itself. Most PSUs have efficiency ratings of somewhere between 75 and 80 percent, which means that the components in our test system are consuming 384 W of power. Thus, those who have a 500 Watt power supply in their PCs can overclock this CPU without a second thought.
First it's dyslexic eyeballs and now it's "half-heimers" or "old timer's" memory loss. LOL That quote sort of explained the situation with power supplies (efficiency ratings vs power drain at the outlet). Since I don't like pushing any system to the max (even for a short while, if I don't have to) and like having a nice margin of reserve function, I'd opt for a higher capacity PSU. That's why I've got a 550W Antec in this PC and rarely put much of a strain on it. Actually it was purchased with a more performance oriented system in mind. You're not building a fire breathing dragon like the D805 either. ;)
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It probably overheated and melted down!
More dyslexic brain waves; the Conroe is the ice cube, the D805 is the fireball.
Food for thought: Tip of the day, don't put the cat in the fridge. ;)
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On the 500 watt PS. That's the current draw on the AC line.
I think that was a 500 watt draw on the entire system, the actual CPU draw is probably about 150 watts. SThe pre over clock draw was around 95 watts. I believe I stated that I felt certain that my system could take it. I also recall suggesting that even at 3.8 Ghz it would make a hell of a budget system on air cooling. When I get time on the weekend I'll look more closely at the article.
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shifting to smaller die sizes doesn't seem to have helped Intel much. Remember Intel's size drop from the Northwood to the Prescott rendered no power savings of any kind. Evey now and then Intel let's something slip that seems to have hidden potential that remains buried until someone hastens along its discovery. I still have one of the famed 300 Mhz Celeron's that would hit 450 mhz. That's a 50% increase.
I wonder how well the chip would do in Vapochill case with the chip cooled down to -39 defrees Celsius?
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shifting to smaller die sizes doesn't seem to have helped Intel much.
It they hadn't, they could have started another business as an offshoot of the current one, building PC space heaters. LOL
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Here is some food for thought...
Asus P5WD2-E Premium Motherboard
$219.99 Newegg this morning
$247.00 Newegg this evening
I wonder if Newegg read the article as well? <G>
They still have a refurbished board for $175 and the CPU is still at $128.
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Brobear,
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You're not building a fire breathing dragon like the D805 either. ;)
By that I assume you mean the heat from the CPU! Barbecue anyone? The meltdown was meant to be a joke, I know the Conroe is supposed to be the cooler chip. I knew what you were meaning about the power supply. I was just pointing out that the draw on it's AC line is considerably more than what the componants draw from the power supply. For what I'm building, 480 watts is more than enough. According to a link someone in this forum supplied my system draws about 315 watts from the PS.
What I don't understand is that the D805 has to be overclocked from 2.66 to 4.10 to barely beat the stock 2.0 x2 3800+. Look at the average FPS. The 805 does 97 fps at 4.0Ghz while the 3800+ does 93fps at 2.0 (stock). In the max frames the 805 does 220 fps at 4.10Ghz while the 3800+ does 209, stock! These are not significant differences and you have to water cool the 805 to accomplish that! The concept is OK but I for one would not spend $350 or so for the CPU and a MB not to mention big bucks for water cooling to run it just to barely beat the competition. That's not even bragging rights as far as I am concerned! Makes me feel real good about what AMD has coming up!!!
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No matter what the outcome may be,I have no plans on jumping ship as I like many others believe Amd still has a secret weapon waiting in the wings.
Looks like i am not the only one the believes in vaporware.
my 805 is on the way...its been kinda cold in my house, need somthing to warm it up. Oh the zalman 9500 is coming with it too.
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@baltekmi,What board did you choose,if you don't mind me asking.
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You now appear to be a true AMD convert. Up to about 4.0GHz the Zalman 9500 should handle the cooling. The 9500 or 7000 are custom favorites anyway, so nothing outrageous we wouldn't already be using.
D805-$128; 3800-$297. Noticable price difference and the 805 is still respectable at or below the 4GHz level. As an enthusiast's OC toy, I'll take Tomshardware's word on the Intel D805 being the new "Dance Queen". AMD can come out with their new super dooper secret weapon later today, but Intel got it's moment back as "King of the Hill" for a few days at least. The D805 isn't the greatest CPU, but it sure is the best bang for the buck for now and the most OC friendly (except maybe for the 300MHz Celeron Sophocles saved).
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That's not even bragging rights as far as I am concerned!
Well there's enough other people bragging to make up for it. LOL Where's Baltekmi? LOL
As for the hot jokes, I caught it. I was just messing with you. ;)
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With Newegg raising the prices, I suspect they are thinking about making some quick profits off the free press given the D805 compatible boards. They're not as altruistic as some people seem to make out. All I've noticed recently is a decent return policy.
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LOL That 9500 will do a good job of spreading the heat for you. Should keep your toes toasty warm. ;) You'll have even better luck if you have some case fans to blow the heat out into the room for you. We don't want you suffering from frostbite. LOL
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I haven't made up my mind yet. I am a Abit fan, but may get an asus board. It will be awhile, that's all the money I have to spend right now. I got more time than money lol. and even though this is impulse buying, the rest of the build wll have more thought put into it. I like brobears case though!
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