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PacMan777
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10. April 2007 @ 21:53 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Go a googlen. ;)
http://www.xmission.com/~acqutek/usa/intr-cpu.htm
You'll also need to figure out what a backplane board is. :)


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WTF is a backplane board?
LOL!
Stuff it its more then likely something that was hyped and never took off.








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Check the link. LOL


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I did but first impression of teh site made me think CHEAP!.








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That particular site was more old tech, but would give you an idea of what a CPU card is. It's more or less a single board computer and some of the newer ones run over $1,000. Not exactly cheap. Here's one for you.
http://www.cyberresearch.com/store/indus...34-X_7611.2.htm


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Dam that junk...
1,350$...
But whats the use you still need a full motherboard to use it dont you?
to plug it in?








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Why not? When discussing flow in a case they're an important part of the discussion. Flat cables often act like a dam blocking good crossflow in a case.

Hey, when someone else is supplying the parts you have to work with you don't get to choose. She's going to replace them asap! I think that the MB is running so cool because of the very large NB heatsink. The fins are very thin!

It's currently doing a short prime run to check the temps at 3.06GHz and the CPU is 46C with a MB temp of 34C using a stock Intel cooler. Next up is a short OCCT run to see if it crashes. If it doesn't, I'll run Occt for 12 hours and see what it does. She has a Freezer 7 Pro to install when she gets it back! so the CPU temp should come down a bit more! I'll keep everyone posted and send some pics before the end of the week!

Beast Regards,
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orthos' small ftt test is much tougher and will realy test the cpu to its limits. i know i have said in the past that occt is as good as any but after testing this setup my opinion has changed. prime and occt both only just touched 40c on my setup at 3.3ghz(on 1.44v) orthos got it slightly higher hitting 44c after just under an hour then it spent the rest of the time going between 42 and 43c.


just my 2 cents but if it gets hotter it must be working it harder.

(room was always 21c)
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what are they doing 2 peices of amd news in one day?
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just my 2 cents but if it gets hotter it must be working it harder.

(room was always 21c)

Room temp is presently 26C. CPU is 49C. MB is 35C! 16 min through a 30 min OCCT run!

P5N-E/E4300. I'm happy as I had no intention at leaving it any higher than this! not for someone who hasn't a clue when it comes to overclocking. When the Arctic Freezer 7 Pro is installed the temps will come down a good 5-6C, I'm sure! I'm just not going to pull mine to find out. My temps are right on a par with Anandtech's results with the same MB and CPU with the stock Intel cooler! My MB temps are better though!

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If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein
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its the proccessor, is it not?
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Originally posted by marsey99:
orthos' small ftt test is much tougher and will realy test the cpu to its limits. i know i have said in the past that occt is as good as any but after testing this setup my opinion has changed. prime and occt both only just touched 40c on my setup at 3.3ghz(on 1.44v) orthos got it slightly higher hitting 44c after just under an hour then it spent the rest of the time going between 42 and 43c.


just my 2 cents but if it gets hotter it must be working it harder.

(room was always 21c)
Here's the change. I've used Orthos, Prime, and OCCT. Orthos uses Prime code, and is more dual core oriented. OCCT does as well or better. I like the way it interfaces with Everest. It kicks both cores to max and holds them there. I've monitored systems and from start OCCT climbs quickly at full load. If the vCore settings are too high it heads to the danger zone without slowing down. So I don't see how another program could load the CPU more. Would you care to explain how Orthos could?

Don't get me wrong. Orthos is a good program. I haven't seen it outperforming OCCT though.


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I'm a bit tired as it's been a long day. I've posted the benches in the Overclocking thread. Any comments will be welcomed. It's running OCCT at 100% CPU usage on both cores. If it survives the night I'll feel even better about it. I did a few things in my usual "Marches to a different Drummer" unconventional manner and I am quite pleased with the results. Hey, you don't know if you don't try!LOL!! My goal for Gina's computer was 3.00GHz and that's what it's running at! It is very fast! the OC is 66.67% which should be good for someone who knows nothing about overclocking and doesn't want any problems. I could have gone further but like I said I wanted 3.00GHz!

Happy Computering,
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Originally posted by crowy:
How's this for a sig??




http://www.xtremesystems.org/forums/showthread.php?t=100101

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2. An image-only signature should be less than 50kb in size, and be at most 500 pixels wide and 200 pixels tall.

Forum Rules: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/2487

It appears to break one of the guidelines. 640 pixels is broader than "at most 500 pixels wide". Too bad it's an image of text and not text, 5 lines of text are allowed.

It's a good thing the sig police aren't on patrol. There's still a few infractions floating around, just ask theonejrs.


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i can only base my opinion on my findings, orthos made my cpu get hotter which in my opinion makes it the better torture test. both it and occt showed up as running both cores at 100% yet occt didnt get it as hot.

i dont understand why this was the case, its just what i found with my setup.

the arctic freezer 7 pro should knock about 8c off the stock cooler and after 200+ hours it should drop another couple of c too when the paste has cured. its a shame that you havent put a 7 pro on it as i would of liked to know what the max you could get with it was as myself and sam have had such a different experiance with our setups.

you are right about your mobo, it is cooler than most unmoddified ones i have seen too. infact mine is only slightly cooler and it has a 60mm fan screwed on top of it now. mine tops out at 36/38c(deppending on room temp) after prolonged heavy load and idles at 32/34c.

can i ask which version of everest you are running as even the beta i tried couldn't correctly show my cpu temp. it reported it as 25c all the time. now on mine i have 2 mystry temps, 1 at 25c all the time and 1 at 40c all the time. both speedfan and everest show them only pc probe gets it right.

im running mine at 3ghz now as my 24/7 speed and only of i need to do some thing a bit quicker will i knock it up to 3.3ghz as the extra volts needed to gain that 300mhz isnt worth the heat it generates in my opinion.

anyway im wandering into another thread here so i will sign off for now.

take it easy.
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PacMan777,
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There's still a few infractions floating around, just ask theonejrs.

Lost in Space, the one between my ears! LOL!!

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Originally posted by marsey99:
i can only base my opinion on my findings, orthos made my cpu get hotter which in my opinion makes it the better torture test. both it and occt showed up as running both cores at 100% yet occt didnt get it as hot.

i dont understand why this was the case, its just what i found with my setup.

Not a universal situation as my setup and others won't confirm it.

the arctic freezer 7 pro should knock about 8c off the stock cooler and after 200+ hours it should drop another couple of c too when the paste has cured. its a shame that you havent put a 7 pro on it as i would of liked to know what the max you could get with it was as myself and sam have had such a different experiance with our setups.

Not a shame. I have a Zalman 9700 that works well. I have no temp problems. I didn't install an OEM HSF to do before and after. I knew up front what I needed for the build and OCing. Normal MB temp is 38C and CPU 32-34C while multitasking. With a movie playing, RB encoding, checking my email, and visiting AD, the temp on the mobo is running 39-40C and the CPU is 43C. The mobo has passive cooling and doesn't go higher then 40C at peak, so that's normal unless I want to mod the board.

you are right about your mobo, it is cooler than most unmoddified ones i have seen too. infact mine is only slightly cooler and it has a 60mm fan screwed on top of it now. mine tops out at 36/38c(deppending on room temp) after prolonged heavy load and idles at 32/34c.

can i ask which version of everest you are running as even the beta i tried couldn't correctly show my cpu temp. it reported it as 25c all the time. now on mine i have 2 mystry temps, 1 at 25c all the time and 1 at 40c all the time. both speedfan and everest show them only pc probe gets it right.
Without checking the version number I'll just say the latest. I keep it updated since it's a licensed version. I've checked Everest against PC Probe and Speedfan and the temps are similar, Everest just does more. By the way, the trial or freebie Everest doesn't work as well as the full program.

im running mine at 3ghz now as my 24/7 speed and only of i need to do some thing a bit quicker will i knock it up to 3.3ghz as the extra volts needed to gain that 300mhz isnt worth the heat it generates in my opinion.

You're right on that. That last bit of increase is the most expensive.

anyway im wandering into another thread here so i will sign off for now.

take it easy.



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To All,
Can someone please explain to me how to validate Super Pi. I went to the listed URL and got an Apple OS site!

Thanking you in advance,
theone


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http://www.xtremesystems.com/pi/

thats the right url for that russ, can you have a look at my previous post as most of it was aimed at yourself as your playing with a setup much like my own, thanks.

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@pacman

which mobo and cpu do you have your zalman running on? i only ask as if its not a p5nesli with a e4300 then the comparisons are going to be quite usless. this will also be the case with the everest readings unless, of course, yours is another nf65i chipset.

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Different board and processor. The discussion on software is relevant if your system doesn't have a flaw. The only thing we can't do is compare temps and then that's hard to do anyway. A system would have to be built with the same exact components and use the same BIOS settings and be kept at the same room temps. Too many variables except in a controlled situation. If someone wanted to give me a freezer I might compare it, but I'll stick with Zalman otherwise.


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not realy as my everest does not fully support my mobo chipset as it is still quite new, hence it not knowing that my cpu temp is not the one it reports. it also keeps asking me to send reports back to lavasoft about the c55 somthing or other.

as for it relevance of it im not sure, as different chipsets use different amounts of power which in turn creates different amounts of heat. nvidias corelogic has always been more power hungry and ran hotter than ati/intel/sis counterparts.

apples and apples yes, but its still like a washington red and a granny smith.

the biggest flaw in my system is the lack of software to fully utilise it :)
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Haven't heard from bigdk in a while..............must be playing wth his new fridge!!!!!!!!



If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein

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Phil,
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apples and apples yes, but its still like a washington red and a granny smith.


Prefer pink lady's!!................Apples are nice to though!!!ROFL!!!



If the facts dont fit the theory, change the facts." -- Albert Einstein

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