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10. July 2009 @ 13:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
how??? They only have a single PCI?!!!

Let me rephrase that (in fear of getting my ass kicked) the ones I've seen only have a single PCI!!!



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Some have PCI express 16x slots - look carefully :)



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10. July 2009 @ 13:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Owww their £100 and need a proper CPU!! (not the one you linked to I never saw the edit)

Whereas what I was looking at was a Gigabyte Ultra Durable with a built in Atom for £68.66. Another thing I've just realised is that a card of any kind won't fit in the Ipaq.



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Well, that's what half-height cards are for, hence why it's a 9800GT and not, say, an HD4850.



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go for an atom board with an ion chipset so you atleast get a 9300/9400 gpu and 1080p playback the 950 cant even do 720p playback



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It's a shame the Mobility Radeon tech used in netbooks hasn't seen much use in mini-ITX format, the M-HD4000s are the cards to have for HD video.



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10. July 2009 @ 14:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'M NOT USING IT FOR GAMING OR HD VIDEO!!!

I don't care that I can get a nicer one that does HD or gaming or anything because I have a proper computer for that. I'm building it for checking my emails/fiddling about with stuff. I don't want to pay stupidly lots for stuff I don't care about. I only asked to get a rough idea as to whether or not its worth trying 7 on it....... GOD ALMIGHTY!!!



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sorry, was just a suggestion, and a not so expensive one either. but sorry for that. as for an aton build for email checking, sounds good. mini itx cases are quite expensive though, you think itd be better getting a cheap netbook?



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I'm gutting a Compaq Ipaq for a case. So that's not a problem.

£25 for an Ipaq on Ebay

£63 for an mITX case

Always wanted to use an Ipaq as part of a project :-)



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Er, then why ask how the GMA950 is? What were you expecting?



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Decided to grab this shot last night as before I go back, all three PCs are next to each other. How cute :)



The red you see, far too far to the left of the red PC is in fact its reflection in the other case.
The green and blue wave at the bottom of the screen is the reflection of the LEDs on the arm of my chair.



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Nice fan controller. Have you ever had a problem with one? I've been considering a couple myself, but have heard of problems associated with them. E.g Fires. At the very least, smoke and stink thats hard to get rid of. Do you think they simply did something wrong.

Im looking closely at the zalman, but someone says it can only handle 7Watt fans and under. That doesn't seem like much! While on the other hand the Sunbeam controllers handle 20W and 30W. I would like a cheap one to slow a 120mm fan I have in my secondary's PCI area. Its extremely loud. If I had to guess, its probably pushing 40-50 dB+ Yes, its that obnoxious LOL! And obviously a NICE one for the Haf 932 would be wonderful! :D

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Originally posted by me:
I only asked to get a rough idea as to whether or not its worth trying 7 on it
That's why I asked :-)

I generally can't be arsed with fan controllers (from the person planning to build another PC because hos proper one is too loud lol). But that's mainly because I'd end up overheating my rig from turning fans down just to check my emails or something and then ending up compressing files, listening to music, playing on photoshop and all sorts in fact that's what I'm doing right now when I only meant to put some tunes on my Ericsson...



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It's crazy how much better the ATI Radeon Mobility cards are compared to the nVidia GeForce M cards...

A Mobility HD4570 is very nearly as good as a 9600M GT... In desktops even the HD4670 is generally worse than the 9600GT :P



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You only get problems with them when you buy cheap, low wattage ones and run too much off one channel. The zalman fan controllers get HOT. I only run low speed fans off those. They're nice controllers, but I wouldn't trust them for arrays of fans or high speed ones. Both the visible fan controllers there are Sunbeam Rheobuses, very well built (Despite being sunbeam) and very powerful. They're at least 12W per channel, which is ample, as over 6 channels that's 72W.
If you design a system properly, it won't overheat when you turn the fans down. My work PC only has two 120mm fans which run at 400rpm, which would leave many pc enthusiasts speechless. When I tell them it has a 2.5Ghz dual core processor with no fan on the cooler, 4GB of RAM, a terabyte hard drive and a graphics card as powerful as an 8800GT, they're amazed it runs with that little cooling. The fact is, it not only runs, it runs well. Pick your components right, and cooling a PC really isn't that hard.
Shokz: Another wonder of nvidia's rather suspect marketing system.



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11. July 2009 @ 21:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by sam:
At fragsoc the vast majority of us use Razer mice, either the Diamondback, Copperhead or Deathadder. Excellent products. I've tried logitech mice, haven't tried steelseries ones (even though they sponsor fragsoc) but if they were that great, I'm sure I'd see a lot more of them.
It's not that I like having wires. I dislike the faults with wireless mice, and that incident there is exactly what I'm talking about. Wired mice are lighter, cheaper, more reliable and there's a lot more choice too. As for Laser vs optical, you tend to see either IR or Laser these days. There doesn't seem to be a vast difference between the two. For ref, it's usually a competition between 1600,1800 and 2000dpi these days, 1000 is old!

Hmmmmmm. Thanks for your comments, Sam. IR is infra-red - is that the new standard instead of optical - or is that a subset of optical? I thought once you said you had an optical mouse, not a laser mouse. I recall you mentioning the Razer series before.

When the customer service rep, Carl, said they had determined just to send me another mouse, I was going to ask him what type of problem it probably was - a micro-crack on the circuit board, etc. But I hear you saying, Sam, that my little random firing incident is indicative of the kinds of problems that can pop up with wireless mice, problems you virtually don't come across with wired mice.

In other words, the wireless transmission and reception of the signal can result in higher probability of experiencing the type of problem I just had? I have to admit that in 6+ years of fps games with wired mice, I never had a gun start to fire by itself before, which is why I was so shocked. Welcome to the world of wireless - I guess that's enough to make me seriously consider going back to "fighting the wire."

Thanks for the tip about today's dpi - perhaps a little overkill - but if that's what everybody has, 1600, 1800 and 2000, rather than "just" 1000, there must be a reason for it.

I'm curious about the "lighter" that you mentioned. I realize that without the circuitry and antenna to transmit the signal - and of course without the battery - wired mice can be much lighter. But I know of some mice where they give you weights to add to the mouse, to make it heavier. Of course that's a personal preference, but are you saying in general it is considered an advantage to have a lighter mouse?

Well, as much as I hate the thought of fighting the wire, I guess I'll have to seriously think about a wired mouse, probably Razer or Steel Series, although after the excellent customer service Logitech just gave me, I ought to seriously consider them too. I suppose I'll do some more reading of newegg reviews and get some more community commentary.

EDIT: Razer Mamba wireless laser mouse, 5300 dpi, 1000 hz polling, $130. (You can plug the usb wire in if batteries die and convert to wired mouse.) Any comments, anybody?

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i sold sam that fan controller, off it i ran 8 led fans and a 32W pump



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Well...I think you sold me then. They're pretty LOL, and if they're solid, i'll be happy for quite some time :D While some people would see this 120mm fan as hardly needed, IF needed...I believe it provides longevity to every component in the case. Certainly as the thermal paste begins to break down(age), thats where the fan will shine(ive seen fans do incredible things)! Besides, I plan on experimenting down the road. Probably get a much better exhaust fan too. well...plenty of time to think about that :D Thanks sam/everyone



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Shaff: That pump was not using 32W of power, I can tell you that right now. If it did even the Rheobus would have gone up in flames.
Rich: Infra-Red is the same as optical, but in the infra-red wavelength instead of the visible red wavelength. It generally offers slightly better resolution than standard red LEDs.
Wireless products aren't defective by design to start doing things like firing by themselves when they get old. However, there are far more things to go wrong - interference is a big one, and why if you do go wireless, NEVER go RF. When I had an RF wireless mouse, the cursor would jump all over the screen when the heating came on. This aside, there's a receiver and transmitter each end, batteries to replace, extra circuitry, and thus twice as many potential points of failure as wired mice. For the sake of the freedom of no wires, it simply isn't worth it.
1600+ dpi allows very high sensitivity mice. You can move the mouse over the whole screen (including 2560x1600) with less than an inch of movement of the mouse, and it still be accurate. That's very handy.
A few select mice allow customisable weight as some people prefer heavier mice for games. For one, I don't, and for two, the sort of mice that usually offer this are unreliable. One such example is the Roccat Kone, a truly dreadful product.
I've seen the Razer Mamba, but frankly, all of the above still apply even though it's Razer, and that's serious money for a mouse, more than twice as much as any of the normal Razer wired mice.



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sorry was 23W lol but each chaael can support 30w



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On wired vs wireless mice. Wired for me hands down. I tried a Logitech G9 even and it had loads of problems(in my eyes). Batteries need swapping, input lag with certain games, weird problems with interference when I turn other stuff on. I'm currently using my 1800DPI wired Logitech MX-580 and it works excellently. Pin-point sensitivity, on the fly adjustments, not worrying if my next match will be a big loss because my receiver is being dodgy. I'm not saying wireless mice are bad, just not right for me.

Ideally I want to get my hands on a Gigabyte Ghost. That is the finest mouse ever made. Too bad they're strictly limited issue ATM. Only person I know with one is a beta tester for Gigabyte engineering samples.



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Well...wireless is definitely right for me :) Ive not had one problem with my current wireless keyboard and mouse. Im uncertain why it calls it "optical mouse." I thought there were "optical", and "laser!" My mouse has an obvious red beam of light. So I assumed it was laser LOL! There I go assuming again eh. Anybody care to elaborate/teach LOL! Virtually NO lag. It warns me when the battery is about to give up. In which I have roughly a minute. The keyboard on the other hand, will miss a stroke. E.g typing away, and it begins missing letters/punctuation. It generally lasts for months and months on end. 6-8Months is the max ive hit. But now im gaming so it could drop to 2-3months. The laser on the mouse is where the real power usage comes in.

As far as interference, ive not had any issues. Perhaps my mouse was built on a Wednesday LOL! (Basically means I got lucky)
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well according to the reviews, its the best mouse ever made, but obviously over priced.

its a newer mouse, newer tech, untill we try it we cant exacrtly dissmiss it. it can be used are wired and wireless. sounds good, but IMO £120 on a mouse it WAY too much, id rather spend it on shsiha :D



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LOL! You know...my mouse and keyboard cost me 40$ at radioshack on black friday of 2005. I guess that's not bad for a mouse/keyboard with no faults in almost 4 years. Works on almost any surface too. Ive even had it on a white surface with no problems. As I said, must have gotten lucky then. Because it sounds to me like my mouse is a freak of technology.



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Haha the difference between a Radioshack mouse and a real Razer or Logitech is absolutely mind blowing. Do you know hany many DPI your mouse is? My Logitech Mx 580 laser is 1800DPI and my Razer Krait optical is 1600DPI. I've never used a single "Radioshack" brand that even compares.

Though there are quite a few opticals that are extremely reliable. One friend is using a 7 year old Razer Boomslang and it works great. 1000DPI too which is fairly acceptable. Anything below is usually jumpy, even when you use "enhance pointer precision" in the mouse options.

And then again, doesn't Radioshack carry a few Logitech mice now? lol



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