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15. August 2008 @ 04:14 |
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Yep, 2560x1600.
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15. August 2008 @ 06:50 |
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I think I might download Crysis again. I honestly did not like it. Probably cuz I had a buggy version lol.
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15. August 2008 @ 08:10 |
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Crysis, section: Reckoning, end battle (mothership, end sequence)
Average frame rate: c. 18
Lowest typical frame rate: c. 15
Lowest spotted frame rate: c. 12 (nuke detonation, mothership sinking)
Overall opinion: Pretty playable
Settings:
Resolution: 2560x1600
Anti-Aliasing: none
Texture Quality: high
Objects Quality: high
Shadows Quality: high
Physics Quality: high
Shaders Quality: high
Volumetric Effects Quality: high
Game effects Quality: high
Postprocessing Quality: high
Particles Quality: high
Water Quality: high
Sound Quality: high
Holy hell...
http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/7550/...igh17fpsde2.jpg
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15. August 2008 @ 08:51 |
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The main portion of the game is probably nice and smooth for the most part. But I don't like those speeds in the final levels. A drop in res might bring it up from 18 to maybe 25? I don't know how well Crysis scales with resolution... I'd also drop the shadow detail to medium for a few extra FPS, but that's just me.
Can you run through again at 1920 res? Most importantly, Contact(first level) and Reckoning(last level). Contact is a good measure of what to expect for most of the game, and Reckoning is good as a worst case :P
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15. August 2008 @ 12:41 |
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Sure, I'll try it out this evening.
Yes, the frame rate in the end section isn't wonderful, but Crysis is playable at a lot lower frame rate than most games, and that is after all the most demanding section.
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15. August 2008 @ 14:09 |
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Well, I managed through the final battle at 15-20FPS so I know it can be done. But it's less about pure playability for me and more about keeping a semi-smooth framerate. I know that, even with Crysis, 15-18FPS isn't all that fluid. So I'm interested to see what the HD4870 can do at my own native res. If it's like I hope, then it should handle most of the game beautifully.
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15. August 2008 @ 16:03 |
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On low settings I was making frame rates in the fities, so at 1920 you should be able to go pretty high and have smooth gameplay.
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15. August 2008 @ 23:31 |
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The hacked very high settings for Dx9 barely even give a performance hit and they're about 95% of what Dx10 does. The only thing missing is more subtle blur shaders and the like. I enable Colorgrading, Parallax Occlusion Mapping(POM), and the higher detail water shaders. I leave lightbeams alone because, IMO, they look fake and can be a bit distracting.
Also, you'd be surprised how much stuff is affected by POM. You see it all over the ground textures and all over under water. It really makes the textures pop.
I will probably have no problem at 1920 res. So that is comforting. Despite its poor performance, I like Crysis a lot. It's an awesome game. Now to find the cheapest possible HD4870 :P
Also, what about Q3 engine games? Do they indeed work now? United Offensive can look really impressive cranked to the max.
EDIT: Been playing Crysis a lot more recently in anticipation of a 4870. The huge tank battle, Onslaught I think it's called. That level is HUGE! I'm talking at least a few kilometers square. It's undoubtedly the king of all FPS levels. And there's so many places to go and check out. All the little stands of trees can be entered and explored. All the cliffs are scalable, all the surrounding areas and woods and fields and villages(at least 3 or 4 separate ones at last count) can be explored. They pack so much detail into that level.
No matter how many times I play through that level, I always find something new.
-Buildings I've never seen(sometimes with weapons and ammo in them)
-New secret trails tucked into the woods
-Several hidden ponds and lakes
-Enemies doing all sorts of cool and realistic things(smoking, sleeping, talking to friends, sitting around, working on vehicles, walking on patrols deep in the woods)
-Hidden sniper towers that I only found because I was fired on from them.
-Little valleys hidden by the forest canopy, sometimes with big groups of 7 or more KPAs making a sweep through them, though sometimes the idiots give themselves away with laser sights.
And the open field is perfect for pitched battles. Just now, I had 3 KPA Humvees charging across the field at me guns blazing. They were bouncing on all the bumps, throwing up dust, knocking down trees. The sense of realism is amazing at times.
It's the incredible level design that keeps bringing me back. And the enemy AI is actually fairly intelligent. I can't count how many times I've been slowly creeping through the woods in stealth mode and stumbled right on top of big groups walking silently on patrol. They never talk until they see you for fear of giving themselves away, and they actually look like they're trying to walk silently. You can see that they are alert and scanning the woods carefully watching for any sign of movement. Sometimes you can even catch the leaders(red berets) making hand signals.
If you want the perfect level to represent all forms of gameplay in Crysis, Onslaught is it. You can go through it as quickly or as slowly as you please. I usually play in it for a few hours at a time. Sneaking around special forces style and picking off stragglers behind patrols and the like. Sometimes I stealth my way into a village and clear out a whole platoon silently. Other times I grab a truck and go off-roading just for the hell of it.
Mere words just can't describe how much stuff is packed into Onslaught. Play through it yourself and see what I mean.
I can't say it enough. Poor performance or no, Crysis is deserving of every award it got.
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16. August 2008 @ 12:24 |
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Para 1: I never looked at the settings in detail really, just applied an overall 'graphical quality mod' last time. I haven't done so this time as the last one was impossible to uninstall.
Para 2: Rember seeing it as an option somewhere, will try it out.
Para 3: Indeed, I liked it quite a lot too, save its bugs, I thought all of Crysis was enjoyable.
Para 4: Seemingly they do, Return to Castle Wolfenstein is certainly one example. Ironically, Quake 3 always worked on my 3870, but not any other games written in the engine.
Para 5: Yes, it is a very large level, and actually performs admirably considering this.
I'll try Onslaught again at higher detail. I really enjoyed 'Core', 'Assault' and 'Onslaught'.
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16. August 2008 @ 13:51 |
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That's why I still think Crysis is an awesome game. It is playable at 20FPS, more than it naturally should be. And it is a pleasure at 30-35FPS. Yes, it could perform a bit better, but look at what they've done. This is the most graphically stunning game I have ever played hands down.
Yes, I think Episode 2 looks better from an aesthetic standpoint. And yes, I LOVED all three Half-Life 2 games so far. But Crysis is just insanely above it in both graphics and gameplay. It is way ahead of anything else at this point and probably won't be matched for a long time still. Even the newest games you read about in magazines aren't as good looking or as open ended level-wise. Doesn't that warrant some forgiveness?
I hardly have any drops below about 30FPS except when there's loads of action on the screen. Then it might get as low as 26 or 27. Of course this is disregarding the second half of the game, which averages 25-30FPS with occasional dips to 20(alien ship level). The only place that does not feel entirely smooth is the final battle. Then I average 15-20FPS with occasional dips to 13 or lower in the most intense parts. 13-14FPS is also unnaturally smooth and actually quite playable despite obvious "jittering" in the mouse movement.
So my point is, if Crysis can feel pretty smooth and remain fairly playable all the way through the game, the programmers didn't mess up too bad. DirectX 10 was actually an afterthought for the game and was only a few new shaders. The developers thought that would make DirectX 10 look weak so they made the other settings DirectX 10 only. This is why most of the DirectX 10 features can be enabled in Windows XP. And in Windows XP they give barely any performance hit. 2-3FPS is all. And the motion blur is brilliant, saving a lot of grief in the coolest moments and keeping things smooth and enjoyable.
Also, my favorites were Relic/Departure(lots of fun sneaking opportunities), Assault(the artillery barrage and crashing plane were incredible), Onslaught, and Core. Core is probably the best level in the game for showing off the shaders and eyecandy. Some parts of the alien ship look amazing and the atmosphere is totally creepy :) Especially the first room with the crystals.
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16. August 2008 @ 16:56 |
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I'm agreed that Crysis has pulled off lots that other games haven't. I don't care for its graphics overall due to the errors, but what doesn't have errors is absolutely stunning maxed out. People get negative opinions because of how low the settings they use are. Prior to the 4870 to get the game looking its best I had to use a slideshow like frame rate, or to get it running good it looked mediocre. Now it's watchable at max settings it is a beautiful spectacle. However, not #1 for graphics purely on the inconsistancy basis. Think of it as 'maximum graphics quality 10/10, average 8/10' versus Episode Two's 9 for both parts.
The AI is what I actually like most about Crysis. It has been so long in coming for games to have decent physics and AI. The Physics in Crysis are again good but flawed. However, this is not as noticeable as the graphics problems, so still very effective. The AI is wonderful, and I have no need to describe it further as you did a good job of that earlier.
Core was stunning, very spooky, a sudden contrast from previous gameplay and amazing graphics, free from the errors present outside too. However, I think they spoilt it with the haze that flows around everywhere. It's a beatiful effect in itself but it marrs all the high quality crisp graphics that lie behind and makes it seem a little 'discoloured'. No real complaints about that section though, it was a unique experience, the only problem with which I found I need a much higher frame rate to manage the thrusters and combating the aliens at the same time. The fps is around 20-25 for me maxed out which is fine outdoors, but in there I can't quite get to grips with it, it's a little laggy. At 1920x1200 though, you'll be fine with it.
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16. August 2008 @ 18:03 |
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Hi
I would like some help please I have the following spec below?. I have purchased a new graphics card details below XFX GeForce 8800 GT Alpha Dog 512MB. When this is placed into the below system I receive 4 beeps and no signal on the monitor.. When I place the old card in it work fine. I have updated BIOS and cleared CMOS. I have tried to boot up with one memory stick same issue. I have booted up with a PCI card and it works fine?..
Could this be due to Nividea card in a ATI motherboard ?.... any comments would be helpful all I want to do it play COD 4 ? and been trying to play it for a long long time. My previous card has been cutting out a few minutes into the game. Not sure what it the problem could be motherboard ?
Thanks for reading.
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Crucial 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-5300C5 Dual Channel Kit
Asus M2R32-MVP Crossfire (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard (MB-178-AS)
Sapphire ATI Radeon X1950 Pro 256MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) ? Retail
600 W Seasonic PSU modular.
I have replaced this with new card below
XFX GeForce 8800 GT Alpha Dog 512MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) ? Retail
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16. August 2008 @ 18:05 |
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I have an A8R-MVP and it doesn't like when i so much as look at my graphics card. They are famous for PCI express slot failures. Is this an upgrade or are you changing the card presuming the old one was faulty? If the latter, it may not be. The A8R-MVP is yet another of Asus' lemon motherboards. It will work fine for a time, mine did, but all of a sudden the PCI express controller will give out.
Hold on, WHAT?
You have a skt 939 CPU in an AM2 motherboard... That will never work. Are you sure you got those specs right?
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16. August 2008 @ 19:15 |
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sam he's showing 2 mobos. lol.. ;O
Do you have a six pin power adapter for the 8800GT? Besides a slot failure it's the only thing I can think of??
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17. August 2008 @ 00:41 |
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The Physics in Crysis are again good but flawed. However, this is not as noticeable as the graphics problems, so still very effective.
The physics were actually the worst part of the game for me. And that's not saying much because the physics are incredible. I'll shoot down a chopper only to have it get "stuck" in a building or rock. Then you can see it bouncing around and you can hear it crashing around. Or sometimes the jeep I am driving will suddenly flip up into the air and land right back on its wheels. These are infrequent problems that don't really hinder gameplay that much, so a minor annoyance at best.
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I think they spoilt it with the haze that flows around everywhere. It's a beatiful effect in itself but it marrs all the high quality crisp graphics that lie behind and makes it seem a little 'discoloured'.
I thought so too. I don't think it ruined the level though because it masks what imperfections happen to be there. Sometimes I'll stumble across a low res texture or low poly geometry. The haze helps hide these a bit better.
At least the developers used some visual tricks to help in the more ugly-prone moments.
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17. August 2008 @ 09:44 |
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Sorry was bit of a rushed post this is what I have in place
AMD Athlon 64 X2 Dual Core 4200+ 2.20GHz (Socket AM2) - Retail
Akasa AK-ZEN-01-BK Zen Black Case - No PSU
Crucial 2GB (2x1GB) DDR2 PC2-5300C5 Dual Channel Kit
Asus M2R32-MVP Crossfire (Socket AM2) PCI-Express DDR2 Motherboard
600 W Seasonic PSU modular.
Sapphire ATI Radeon X1950 Pro 256MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express)
I have replaced this with new card below
XFX GeForce 8800 GT Alpha Dog 512MB GDDR3 HDTV/Dual DVI (PCI-Express) ? Retail.
The new card 8800 GT fails to work the fan is spinning it has power a dedicated individual line PCI from the PSU which is less then 6 months old...
When i place the old card back into PC it works fine so slow failure is cant be?? .. I bought the card from OC UK and was brand new and boxed... I am wondering if i have non combatiable parts ?
Your help is much appreciated.
Thanks
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17. August 2008 @ 10:26 |
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is your board pci-e 1?
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17. August 2008 @ 10:27 |
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17. August 2008 @ 11:23 |
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looks like it's the fault of the 8800 rather than that of Asus, which is worrying, I wouldn't even have considered that if I had bought one, and I nearly did back at the end of last year.
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17. August 2008 @ 11:33 |
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M2R32 - MVP
I have updated my BIOS to 05/21/2008 20:43:55
BIOS type AMI
Chipset Athlon64
my manual states PCIE16_1 ??
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17. August 2008 @ 11:41 |
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17. August 2008 @ 11:42 |
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That will be one of the slots itself, PCIE16_1 - the other should be marked PCIE16_2.
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17. August 2008 @ 11:47 |
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That is correct there are two the first one is PCIE_1 and the other PCIE_2. I always place in PCIE_1
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17. August 2008 @ 11:52 |
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These numbers don't refer to the PCIe versions 1 and 2 we are referring to, they are different generations of the technology, not the number of the slot you use.
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17. August 2008 @ 12:10 |
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Manual states 2x PCI Express x 1
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