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BackWards compatibility reality???
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messup000
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25. May 2005 @ 18:12 |
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OK so at this point all the games on the net that are from past gen of platforms are freeware right? so what happens when the revolution comes out??? will it be AGAIN illegal to download these games. AND what about the people who have downloaded these games already? Will they be commiting a crime because a new concle comes out? Oh and finally what about the people who own the original games i REALLY dont want to pay twice for my own games and i want to be able to have more freedom because i bet that there will be ALOT more net play! maybe even with the old systems???They can do it with emulators why not an actual console.. anyway thats just my view and questions on the new system.
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gozilla
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3. June 2005 @ 20:15 |
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OK so at this point all the games on the net that are from past gen of platforms are freeware right?
wrong.
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messup000
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12. June 2005 @ 07:23 |
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well isnt it tru that if it is not possible for you to buy a program because it isnt being released anymore then it is avalable for public use? cause for example romance of the three kingdoms 1-5 are all up for download at theunderdawg.com(not sure about the name) and also you can dl n64 games and both of these websites have no disclaimer meaning that it would be illegal to host these files on their website without saying what they can spicifically be used for.
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gozilla
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12. June 2005 @ 17:11 |
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well isnt it tru that if it is not possible for you to buy a program because it isnt being released anymore then it is avalable for public use?
only if the developers release it. some games although no longer possible to find in stores are still covered by copyright.
only time it will be legal to to freely distribute a game will be once copyright expires (don't know when this expires, 50years i think) or when a developer releases it.
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ffalcon
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8. July 2005 @ 08:22 |
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What would be the point to keeping the copyright to games if they're no longer being sold?
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messup000
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8. July 2005 @ 08:28 |
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thats exactly what i was thinking. And is there different copyright lengths? Or is it different inbetween computergames and videogames. anyway whatever Ill still end up buying the games in the end. But you do have ownership on the games that you bought for that system meaning that you could put the games on the revolution right?
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ffalcon
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8. July 2005 @ 11:02 |
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Yeah, you should be able to play roms you own.
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Slith
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11. July 2005 @ 17:31 |
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If you have the equipment, and make and play your own roms, it is legal. If you download it from the Internet however, it is illegal.
It's just say, example? I buy a Linkin Park CD and lots of my friends want it. Do I burn myself a copy so I can keep the original CD in near perfect condition? Yes. Do I burn them copies? No.
There are in no fact roms that are legal on any basis, unless made Public Domain (PD) by their respective authors.
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12. July 2005 @ 12:03 |
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Nintendos press conference stated that they are placing a wifi connector, so they decided to take advantage of that. they are starting a feature a little time after the release of the system. the service is a free service that allows you to access a portal where you can buy legal roms strait from nintendo and save them to the revolutions standard 20 gb HDD.
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16. July 2005 @ 19:34 |
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slith,
you talk like you know, but you are wrong!
I bought my wife the MAriah Carey CD (imanicaptaion blah blah blah). She has a palm pilot that plays MP3's, and I have a cd player in my car that also plays mp3's. Rather than taking that CD (which I own) and making MP3's with it I downloaded the whole cd from bittorent. Now if the record industry comes after me for downloading it they wont have a leg to stand on. I am alloowed to own a backup of THAT cd in ANY form I want. And if I downloaded it, then that download is perfectly legal.
Now about the roms. ANY site that you download them from will have a disclaimer SOMEWHERE on it that says you can only download the roms if you OWN the original game! As long as you have the game cart sitting in your possession then you are allowed to own a copy of it in .rom format as well.
Which brings me to a new question. If I own Mario64, and I buy a revolution, will they provide a way for me to prove I own the game cart already so that I wont be charged to download the .rom to play on my revolution????
They should! but I highly doubt it will happen.
Here is another tidbit for you. EVery time you buy a CD-r or DVD-R disk that is able to be burned on a burner of ANY type you have already paid royalties to the movie business as well as the record companies. The manufacturers of the mediums have to pay a royalties lost fee for every blank disk they sell. Just as the old cassett tapes, and video tapes were also doing (And still are) for every one they sell. So it may be illegal to download music that you do not already own, but (in canada at least) if you burn that music to a cd then erase it from your computer you now own a legal copy.
Its kinda funny, the electronics store had a big informational sheet posted up about this right in the store. And the funny thing is they didnt have a bin full of blank cd's sitting next to it either.
Anyway, I hope you are now clear on how copyrights really work.
And BTW, its in the developers best interest to keep a copyright for 50+ years even after the game is not be distributed for licensing reasopns. If someone wants to make another game, or a remake of one you did, then you still have rights to royalties. Otherwise you are screwed.
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Slith
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16. July 2005 @ 23:33 |
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Well Stinky, looks like you're going to have to change your sig to:
I don't know everything, and am pretty far from it!
If you downloaded the CD from a torrent, that is illegal. Basically, if your stance was right (which it isn't) it would only be legal for your wife to download the torrent. And yes, after you buy the CD, you can make any other format of music WITH THAT CD. "Gee, you know, I bought these shoes, but I really like this same pair better because it's wide. So, I'm just going to take them."
The romsites do actually tell you that you can download the ROM if you have the original cartridge, however, it is still not legal. I have many ROMs that I made using my own equipment. I play them and enjoy them. If I ever want another game, to legally play a ROM, I have to go and buy another cartridge to make another ROM.
And as for the Revolution, you will have to pay to download the ROM. It is through Nintendo which is the original creator and designer of the games. If they are releasing them as ROMs for sale, they are perfectly entitled to.
Once again, you are wrong. When you by a CD or DVD that can be burned, you're just buying a CD or DVD that can be burned. You don't suddenly get a share of Sony's stock, you don't get any of Microsoft's money, and you sure as Hell don't get Linkin Park's record label.
The closing argument. My favorite part. After reading this and hopefully letting it sink in to your thick skull, many things are different in the US. There are different laws, copyrights, etc.
Do some research before opening your ass.
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gozilla
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17. July 2005 @ 02:27 |
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from my understanding, Slith is a 100% correct.
you may own the original cartridge of Mario64, but downloading a rom is still illegal (even though it's stated otherwise on some rom sites).
the only way to have a legal rom, is to make it yourself (using your original games disk/cartridge, and sophisticated hardware/software).
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Stinky_1
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17. July 2005 @ 17:44 |
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both of you,
How are you going to prove you did it yourself??
Now I bought the maria carey Cd, NOT my wife. So I am the OWNER of the disk. And again how is anyone going to prove that I didnt make the backup myself?? and in Canada (which is all I care about since thats where I live) its not illegal to download ANYTHING that is copyrighted. They cant touch us here because the courts already said its not illegal. That could always change, but for now its fine. In fact it is even legal to download an MP3 and play it as a DJ for a party and never even OWN the original copy.
If you want to missread my post thats fine, but to say I am wrong for what I said is dumb. I never said you OWN a share in anything. You just own the rights to that disk as well as the rights to own a backup of that disk in ANY form you want. The means of aquiring that backup may be shady, and it is for sure a grey area. But to say that its illegal to download it even though you own the original is just as false of a statement as saying that its not (if you think its false)
Furthermore, everything you say is wrong and I am right so....nyaaaah!
PS. I should change my sig to a measage for you!!
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gozilla
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17. July 2005 @ 20:47 |
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both of you,
How are you going to prove you did it yourself??
good point. it's hard to prove whether the backup is one you made off your original media, or one simply downloaded.
but by law, here in australia, im quite sure it illegal to download anything that is copyrighted, regradless if you DO own a legitimate copy.
i think the argument is that, even though you own the original, the one your downloading is not made from the original you own, therefore it isn't the same and hence illegal (some nosence like that).
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Slith
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17. July 2005 @ 21:55 |
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We may not be able to prove we did it ourselves, but when you have a .torrent file on your computer, well, that's pretty fucking obvious.
People download stuff at their own risk. Sure, there are P2P programs that say they are perfectly legal, and can imagine people who buy out a whole Wal-Mart CD section just to share it with everyone. But it's illegal, whether you can cover your tracks or not.
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Now I bought the maria carey Cd, NOT my wife. So I am the OWNER of the disk.
There's where your wrong, and what I was talking about earlier. Like you said, you gave it to your wife. You don't own it anymore; it's not your property. Hell, if things worked like that, the gift would literally keep on giving XD? Also, you don't literally own the songs; meaning, you can't just buy it, change it so you are the artist, and sell it back to people.
And things may be different in Canada, but I'm almost too sure the majority of the people here come from the US. It's time someone said something before people get into loads of shit with the feds for thinking they had torrents, ROMs, etc. legally.
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Furthermore, everything you say is wrong and I am right so....nyaaaah!
And there. You're wrong again. Everything I saw doesn't necessarily mean it is right DEPENDING ON WHAT COUNTRY YOUR IN, but it doesn't mean that everything is wrong. You sound like a kindergartner.
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"arguing on the internet is like running in the special olympics........ Even if you win your still RETARDED!!"
That line pretty much rapes itself. It would mean in my case, that I won, or in the other case, he's retarded.
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Stinky_1
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17. July 2005 @ 23:06 |
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um......you totally missed the point! I guess sarcasm doesnt come through in a post, but I thought the addition of "nyaaaah" would make it a little more obvious. I guess even retards can be stupid too though!
again, I never even hinted that I figured I could resell this maria carey cd and call it "stinky's greatest hits" or something like that. I merly said that I own THAT cd and have as many rights as I want to claim to own backups of THAT cd's contents in whatever form I choose. That is the law in Canada and unless you can point me to where it says otherwise about your laws I am fairly confident that it goes for the US as well.
now you can nit pick and argue all day, but as I already pointed out, even if you DO end up being right, your still just retarded! And besides that, you are trying to put words in my mouth. I dont know if its a small penis syndrome you got or what. But if it makes you feel better, then "YOU ARE RIGHT and I AM WRONG!"
happy? now prove your right!
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ffalcon
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18. July 2005 @ 12:30 |
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Why would it matter if I owned the rom myself as long as I paid for a cartridge? It seems unfair.
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killerc
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5. September 2005 @ 06:53 |
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cd player are cool i just bought a panisonic( those slim cd players) for 150 ,i have no clue y i bought that when i couldve gotten a nice mp3 player
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5. September 2005 @ 07:30 |
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lol, you could have gotten a 30 gig mp3 player that holds over 15000 songs, lol.
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killerc
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5. September 2005 @ 07:37 |
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man im dumb lol well im thinking of buyin that photo ipod it looks real cool
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5. September 2005 @ 19:16 |
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I just dont care, i live in america and the government dont have time to go house by house checking. I say the government stop f[][][]ing with the people and start looking for Bin Laden
I don't care if I fall as long as someone else picks up my gun and keeps on shooting.
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killerc
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6. September 2005 @ 15:13 |
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wow xpitbull ur like miles away from the thread
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7. September 2005 @ 13:11 |
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but what he is saying is true.
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killerc
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7. September 2005 @ 13:18 |
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I just dont care, i live in america and the government dont have time to go house by house checking. I say the government stop f[][][]ing with the people and start looking for Bin Laden
I dont think that belongs in any thread
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11. September 2005 @ 14:23 |
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Heres one problem Nintendo will encounter, when people (PAY) and downlaod their old time games they may be able to put in onto SD memory
and give the games to their friends to upload.
And we all know! anything that can be put onto universal media can be downloaded and emulated! Nintendo needs to come up with some tricks!
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