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One movie, two languages/titles combined as one file...how to separate?
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DGenerate
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9. June 2005 @ 10:15 |
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I tried to ask this question once before, but didn't really get the answer I was looking for. I may not be using the right terms, so please bear with me.
Previously this problem (which I am getting to) happened with the movie Troy (Canadian version), and now with The Hulk (also Canadian).
I ripped them usind DVD Decrypter. It seems the the English and French versions of the movie are two different titles (the term used by Nero Recode) or streams, but Recode combines the two titles, so that instead of two 2 hour movies (English and French versions separate), you end up with (effectively) one 4 hour movie (English and French combined, alternating between the two) and you can't, for example, disable the French version and keep the English version at minimum compression.
First of all, does this make sense to anyone? And does anyone know what I can do about it? Can I separate the two using Nero, or do I have to do it at the ripping stage?
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9. June 2005 @ 10:25 |
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hi
not come acros this but i think i have heard of it! the audio is embedded in the vobs?
with DVD Decrypter are you ripping file mode or iso? if file are you ripping main movie only with dvd dercypter?
load to DVD Shrink and untick french audio
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DGenerate
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9. June 2005 @ 10:43 |
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Hi Rotary,
In both cases, I ripped in with Decrypter in File mode, then imported the DVD into Nero Recode for encoding and burning.
I should have been a bit more clear: it's not the audio, it's the video. Two versions of the video...I think...I didn't watch the whole 4+ hours of Troy to see, but from what I did watch in Recode's preview screen (which, I am told, works exactly like DVDShrink) the file would show a bit of the movie in English, then the same bit of the movie in French, then back to English, and so on. So, you'd get the first opening credits in English, then French, etc.
I can disable the unwanted audio, which I imagine would result in an English version with audio and a French version without audio.
Here's a screen shot that may help explain:
Any ideas?
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9. June 2005 @ 10:53 |
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hi
umm i see what your saying? but did see you have directors cut ticked to keep? is this due to doing full dvd backup?
ok not too sure here? DVD Shrink is like recode both made from the same guy he works for Nero now! hence no more updates to dvd shrink
if it were me i would rip main movie only with DVD Decrypter! or load to DVD Shrink it may work different????
some thing is odd though as you have 3 languages! and 2 film clips? um interseting
i ahve done troy on main movie only UK version.
i will have a think on it!!!!!
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9. June 2005 @ 10:57 |
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hi
ok when you rip in file mode you get the lot of dvd in its files yeah! ok go in to folders and find the main movie only files! and see if there are 2 sets there!
like
VTS_01_0.VOB
VTS_01_1.VOB
VTS_01_2.VOB
VTS_01_3.VOB
VTS_01_4.VOB
VTS_01_5.VOB
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VTS_02_0.VOB
VTS_02_1.VOB
VTS_02_2.VOB
VTS_02_3.VOB
VTS_02_4.VOB
VTS_02_5.VOB
may have to get rid of ifo / bup associated files too!?!
if so get rid of set that is wrong! then load to recode!
or is it your players need to choose the correct film to play as you have basically copied a dvd 1.1 roughly?
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DGenerate
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9. June 2005 @ 11:11 |
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There are 7 VTS.VOB sets:
VTS_01_0.VOB to VTS_01_7.VOB
VTS_02_0.VOB, VTS_02_1.VOB
VTS_03_0.VOB, VTS_03_1.VOB
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VTS_07_0.VOB, VTS_07_1.VOB
...plus VTS_0x_0.BUP & .IFO files, and the VIDEO_TS.BUP & .IFO files.
Ideally, I want to keep the menus and extras, etc. It seems if I could separate Titles 1 & 2 (as in the pic above), I could have the main movie at 100% (rather than 60%) and decrease the compression on the extras. Sigh.
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Grain
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9. June 2005 @ 12:33 |
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If you re-author using Shrink, you can scratch one of the titles. I've seen this before (also in Canada), you can't keep the menusthis way however. If you use CloneDVD, you can however. Loose Title 2, and still keep the menu.
Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?
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9. June 2005 @ 18:13 |
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I've seen this often while using DVD Shrink.
In Normal mode it will list two titles as "main movie" titles and they are not able to be separated just like his is listed in Nero.
In re-author mode the two titles appear to be exactly the same and making a disk with only one of the titles does not seem to cause any drastic change in compression over the two combined titles in normal mode. It is very puzzling.
I've always assumed that this was some "trick" being played on the file system in some lame attempt to make the disk appear full when in fact it isn't.
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Grain
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9. June 2005 @ 18:58 |
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Your right Pastor, when using Shrink with a movie like this in Re-Author mode it'll often show up as 11GB before you start chopping, which is of course impossible for a DVD9.
Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?
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Grain
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9. June 2005 @ 19:13 |
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*edit*
Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?
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DGenerate
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10. June 2005 @ 06:08 |
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Hi Grain, ThePastor,
Re-author...is that stripping out menus, etc. and encoding the main movie only?
I'd rather not do that, though it may be useful to keep that in mind in the future. Is there no way around this? Are there any settings in DVD Decrypter I can use so that the two titles won't be combined?
Anyone?
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Grain
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10. June 2005 @ 10:02 |
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With CloneDVD you can keep the menu and loose Title 2, it's not freeware however.
Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?
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DGenerate
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13. June 2005 @ 08:20 |
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Thanks for the tip on CloneDVD. I suppose I'll have to check it out ;-)
I'd rather, of course, continue to just use DVD Decrypter & Nero. Perhaps I can use Nerovision Express (rather than Recode) to re-author the DVD?
And again...does anyone know if there is a setting in DVD Decrypter or Nero that I can adjust to keep the two titles separate, or can anyone confirm that it is not possible?
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13. June 2005 @ 09:53 |
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hi
this is dam intersting find here...
i wish i could get hold of a dvd like this!!!
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13. June 2005 @ 10:25 |
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I think you missed my point.
They are not separable because they are not separate titles.
There is no need to remove the second title.
If it is an actual separate title then you would be able to remove or compress it separately but since it's combined you cannot. Most likely this is not a completely separate title.
I tried to explain that it is a trick the DVD is trying to play on Shrink. There are not two fully encoded versions of the movie. With shrink your options, (if you intend on keeping the menues) is to remove several of the soundtracks, and compress the extra's using "still pictures". This will net you the best compression for your movie.
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DGenerate
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14. June 2005 @ 08:22 |
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Thanks for your reply, Pastor :-)Quote:
There are not two fully encoded versions of the movie.
I'm just wondering, how sure are you of this?
I'm not trying to be dismissive or argumentative, but it seems to me that a) as the film isn't (in the case of The Hulk) actually 4h 36m long, but exactly half that length, b) that when you preview Title 1,2 in Recode it shows the film alternating between English and French, and c) it plays back on a DVD player as a 2h 18m film, there must be some way to separate the two.
Above Grain indicated CloneDVD could do it, which I an unable to verify at the moment.
It's very strange, I would have thought a lot more people would have come across this.
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14. June 2005 @ 08:39 |
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Nothing here to see, move along folks.
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14. June 2005 @ 14:00 |
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When I've come across this issue and examined the two titles seperately while in Shrink's re-author mode, generally I discover that the filesizes of the two titles combine to be more than 9 gigs. In otherwords, impossible.
If you use re-author and manually add both titles to a compilation the result will be too large.
Now, I don't have the movie "Troy" or "The Hulk" so I can't say that this is your case, but most of the time when I see this phenononom it appears that the filesizes just don't make sense. I've always just treated the combined "Titles 1,2" as one title, unless I planned on re-authoring.
In some instances I've found two separate titles, like when there are two complete versions of the movie for widescreen and normal. But these are usually two separate titles that can be compressed separately within Shrink. Set one at low compression and set the other at "still pictures".
This issue has always bothered me a bit and I admit I do not have a complete understanding of how or why they do this. The next time I find a disk like this I will try to find out more.
If anyone else has any ideas concerning this I'd be interested in hearing your theories.
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Grain
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14. June 2005 @ 14:50 |
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I own both these movies, I'll post some more info from them when I am able. I believe branching is one of the things that causes these to show up funny in Shrink. It's not a case of 2 main movie titles as both Pastor and I have mentioned earlier, but rather a small Title 2 that Shrink for some reason gets confused into thinking is another full main title, possibly because of branching, features that require the main title to pause to show a behind the scenes or extra deleted scene etc., or even another soundtrack. If I remember right there is more than one reason for Shrink to show this error, however it seems more common in Canadian DVD's. The only difference between ours and American versions (and not all are different) is the inclusion of a French soundtrack. How that is added in later is possibly one cause of these problems.
Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?
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DGenerate
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15. June 2005 @ 08:39 |
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Hi all, thanks for your replies :-)
Rotary: thanks for the link. I didn't see that thread.
Pastor: it bothers me too, not so much because of quality issues (though it's that, too) but mostly because it's a problem that shouldn't be a problem.
I haven't had a chance to try the movies out in re-author mode, to see if I can separate them.
Grain: please, have a look and tell me what you get. In this case, I really do think it is the movie twice, as Title 1,2 is exactly double the size/length of the actual movie.
I thought it might have something to do with branching, and wonder if the viewing angle settings in DVD Decrypter could help here.
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15. June 2005 @ 08:58 |
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hi
is there any chance someone can rip the full dvd and open the containing folder and take a BIG picture and post it here please i want to see the file structure!
then rip the main movie only in decrypter so we know the file names of this on its own to and post that picture!
thx...
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DGenerate
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15. June 2005 @ 18:53 |
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Rotary, here's the full DVD:
As for main movie only...erm...can't do it at the moment. Perhaps Grain could help with that?
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Grain
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15. June 2005 @ 19:16 |
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Ripping right now, but will have to host pic yet, dial-up, will be coming sometime!
Let's get down to brass tacks. How much for the ape?
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15. June 2005 @ 22:49 |
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hi
if it were me i would grab those files from the picture and place in a separate folder on there own, then use ifoedit to make new bup and ifo files by loading up ifoedit then bottom center of this app is a button called CREATE IFO (keep destination folder the same as vobs!!!)
but of course this is for main movie only burning!
but????? you may be able to drop this lot back into the main folder to load to shrink for full dvd re-author, but dont get your hopes up!
as this new ifo/bup made may just carry the main first film only now infomation and play properly???
also to do another check play each vob in the second folder to see if it is really 2 films?
can you tell me the whole size of that folders files / picture you posted in gigabytes please!!! or turn on see all infomation in the tabs above the folders contents and take a new picture - thx...
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This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15. June 2005 @ 22:54
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DGenerate
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16. June 2005 @ 09:06 |
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Rotary, I'll switch pictures ASAP.
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