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oofRome
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25. November 2006 @ 23:37 |
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No respectable sports game player would choose that over the 360 or ps3 versions of Madden.
I disagree. And while I'll be the first to admit that I'm addicted to the 360 madden 07, the Wii version will be one of the first games I buy when I get around to purchasing the console.
Shoot, the main reason I like madden 07 so much is because of the updated gameplay features. (hit stick!, training, etc), and with the way EA is using the Wiimote & Nunchuk really has me more anxious to play the Wii version.
Most "respectable sports game players" I know are not the type of people who burden themselves with wondering which system's cpu has the highest clock speed or which version has the most polygons on screen. My favorite football game to date is tecmo superbowl.
I think that Madden 07 is an awesome game, regardless of what system you get it for. I also think you're off your rocker saying the wii version overall is that much inferior.
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26. November 2006 @ 00:47 |
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I got me an xbox 360 and i got my Wii on Pre order DEC 7th in OZ and i will be buying a PS3 in March and to all the hater get over yourselves if you dont like it dont Buy it
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27. November 2006 @ 15:11 |
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Trauma centre is absolutely orgasmic......
I think it is safe to say that you are single........
OMG. I hate to say it, but I'm fairly sure you are right about that. Lol.
But in all seriousness, Trauma Center is phenominal. I highly recommend it for anyone who likes adrenaline rushes and a good, smart challenge of skill. It gets absolutely intense, it's everything that I expect from a game.
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27. November 2006 @ 15:26 |
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I think its becoming quite obvious that the PS3, although nice, is way overpriced, and is not all its cracked up to be, and Nintendo is taking the smarter route(cheap system ,large game library, since the revenue comes from the games). I am sure Sony will do well with the PS3 in the future, but they should be watching Nintendo very carefully because it seems they have a better pulse on the industry. Nintendo understands who out there has the descretional income to spend - Parents and families. Obviously, hard core gamers will spend a lot, but as many are younger adults(college aged), thewy don't have the financial backing, but they are also the ones who will not spend money on all the accessories(unless really needed) which are high profit items for the industry. Gamers are also the ones who will be the first to try and cheat the system by finding hardware hacks and bootlegging games, etc, which hurts the industry in lost revenue.
I think Nintendo is smart at going after the family market with a reasonably priced system. It will be interesting to see where the market share ends up in the next 18 months - Its all about number of units in the marketplace, which will drive game and accessory sales for years to come.
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CrisKahn2
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27. November 2006 @ 17:06 |
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Ps3 isnt overpriced at all you get what u pay for...im not gonna go into detail why cuz everyone should know by now.
imo the wii is overpriced its basically a gamecube 1.5 plus the sensor technology which isnt new or expensive at all. It would have been better at $200 instead of $250. I thought that the wii sensor was within the wii itself now that would have been resonable @ the $250 mark. But it has a seperate sensor bar....just like for the Snes Bazooka thing.
But i must admit Nintendo is smart...they will make a ton of money off acessories and online purchases. Common at $5 per nintendo game and $10 per N64 game is a rip off. Only a sucker like myself will even purchase wii points just to play Donkey Kong and Mario 64 a couple times and not even look at it 2 or 3 days after.
PS3...it only does everything(that Sony allows it to)
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27. November 2006 @ 18:38 |
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yeah talk about the controllers, you almost always need a nunchuck with a wiimote. nunchucks like 25 bucks and the wiimote is almost 50. Jeez if you add up all the accessories then it can almost add up to a ps3.
EDIT: hope you are single shade777 lol
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oofRome
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27. November 2006 @ 18:56 |
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Originally posted by CrisKahn2:
Ps3 isnt overpriced at all you get what u pay for...im not gonna go into detail why cuz everyone should know by now.
I could easily question the true quality of the ps3 if I consider a standalone Blu-ray player is nearly twice as much even though it won't even have a cell processor or an rsx chip. From that point of view, the ps3 is a bottom-of-the-barrel piece of junk.
We both know that isn't the case (At least I'd hope not), but still; Just because the Wii is lower priced doesn't mean you'd be "settling" or anything.
edit* that last sentence wasn't directed towards you, kahn. Just a thought I would like to get out.
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CrisKahn2
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27. November 2006 @ 21:37 |
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Im just tired of ppl bashing on the PS3 cuz of its price...
I know I havent been talking good about the wii cuz im not a Nintendo Fanboy. I just call things the way I see it. I never said the wii was bad i just thought its too early for everything on the wii to be perfect like some claim it is. And using the wiimote on every game isnt that great either... for example COD3 is an amazing game. But after several hours i just wish i could play it normally with a controller.
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Just because the Wii is lower priced doesn't mean you'd be "settling" or anything.
true cuz wii is only $50 cheaper than the 360...ppl who can afford the wii can easily afford a 360.
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27. November 2006 @ 21:53 |
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Originally posted by CrisKahn2:
Ps3 isnt overpriced at all you get what u pay for...
The PS3 is not overpriced for a Blu-ray player.
As a videogame console, it is a huge ripoff.
I want to play games with my consoles, that's it. Don't force me to pay 600 dollars to watch some stupid Ricky Bobby movie. Thanks, but no thanks Sony.
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28. November 2006 @ 08:49 |
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Well, considering that I have no interest in Blu-ray as a format, and that the movies are at least $30 each(Depending on where you go, sometimes more), and they have such a limited selection of titles available on the format.
So, as of right now, yes it is a rip off for me.
As a game machine.
As a Blu-ray player.
It is too much money for something that, IMO, does not do enough to satisfy me as a consumer. I can justify the Wii's expense, because it is much cheaper, and provides me a completely new kind of entertainment that nothing else out there will. While I have a 6.1 surround setup, and a 42" Sony HDTV capable of 480i/480p/720p/1080i I still maintain no interest in paying $600 for a system that will play movies in higher resolutions. Maybe this is worthwhile to some people, but I would imagine that the majority of consumers have little or no use for those features. In other words, it's great, it's nice, but it's mostly useless.
Besides, between my other consoles, all my media needs are met. My xbox serves as the ultimate media center. I get my high res gaming from my 360 and my pc; and I get raw fun factor from the Wii. I think it's funny, and not to far from the truth when M$ suggested getting a Wii and a 360 for roughly the same cost as a PS3. And I can't say it's a bad idea.
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28. November 2006 @ 12:59 |
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Besides, between my other consoles, all my media needs are met. My xbox serves as the ultimate media center. I get my high res gaming from my 360 and my pc; and I get raw fun factor from the Wii. I think it's funny, and not to far from the truth when M$ suggested getting a Wii and a 360 for roughly the same cost as a PS3. And I can't say it's a bad idea.
my point exactly...To get what the PS3 does you would have to buy the wii and the 360. If Nintendo is strictly about gaming then why are they coming out with a new and more expensive version of the wii with HD DVD and 1080i? And if 360 is strictly for gaming why are they coming out with a $200 HD DVD add-on which makes the 360 equal price to the PS3?
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I want to play games with my consoles, that's it. Don't force me to pay 600 dollars to watch some stupid Ricky Bobby movie. Thanks, but no thanks Sony.
cuz $399 xbox360 + $200 HD dvd add on is just so much better to watch 1080i DVDs....and no Talladega Nights on HD DVD dear Lord Baby Jesus you telling me thats better?
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28. November 2006 @ 13:27 |
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my point exactly...
Nope. You missed it entirely. But good effort there, really.
By purchasing both, you're not 'getting what the ps3 does' you're getting MORE. You're getting the pure, raw, fun factor that the Wii encourages, and Wii owners across the web are ranting about. And, I'm sorry, nothing on the PS3 offers that. That's not to say that it isn't fun. But I will say, with no degree of concern or caution that nothing on the PS3 has the same focus on raw fun that the Wii does in most of it's titles. So for the Wii; you're getting more raw fun than the PS3 can currently offer.
By purchasing the 360, you're getting your 'High Definition' gaming fix, for those few moments when you feel the need to see 'pretty images' of games. Most people don't actually need this, and would be better off just sticking to the Wii, but some of us need it on occasion for our HDTVs.
By purchasing both of these systems for roughly the same cost, you get more fun factor, some high def gaming, and a much larger selection of games to play. You don't get Blu-ray 1080p movies, and let's be honest, most of us don't really care. Because quite frankly, unless you've got a 72" 1080p television, you're not going to notice the difference after DVD in most cases. It's a lot of money to dedicate in one place for something that makes such a minimal difference. I'd rather invest in two game systems and have a better variety of games. Most of us don't watch enough movies and/or care enough to dedicate that much money to Sony's game system/blu ray player that only has a couple good games, and expensive movies.
But that's my personal opinion on it. Which ultimately, is all anyone here can offer, since there is no 'one correct answer to this'. Otherwise there would be no competition.
BTW: The 360 player comes with King Kong, which I wasn't particularly interested in, but I would bet money that it's a better film than Ricky Bobby.
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28. November 2006 @ 14:16 |
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It is true that its all personal opinion and im glad no flamming occured
For me the only raw fun on the wii is wii sports and its dying down cuz iv played it so much. Thats probably the only type of game for me...just sport interaction. But paying around $300 just to imitate it isnt worth it for me. Id rather do the real thing on the courts.
Now that iv said that ppl are probably wondering why i bought the wii in the first place. I seriuosly thought that the wiimote was an option and not every game needs it. Cuz my whole life iv been playing games with a controller and have grown comfortable with it. Not saying that the wiimote sucks but after a while I find that it gets old quickly and more of a once in a while thing like arcades. Like i said b4 I played COD3 and wish i was using a controller.
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Because quite frankly, unless you've got a 72" 1080p television, you're not going to notice the difference after DVD in most cases. It's a lot of money to dedicate in one place for something that makes such a minimal difference.
which proves why the HD DVD add-on and the V2 wii is useless and isnt worth the extra money.
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Most of us don't watch enough movies and/or care enough to dedicate that much money to Sony's game system/blu ray player that only has a couple good games, and expensive movies.
Only a couple of good games is better than only 2 good games on the wii which is wii sports and Zelda. And ur wrong about ppl not caring about movies. Im willing to bet that more money are spent on movies than games every year.
Seems like Im in the wrong forum cuz ofcourse Nintendo forums has Nintendo fans to back Nintendo up always....but i like both SOny and Nintendo but Sony a lil more. Just sharing my opinion so dont go and stress over this.
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28. November 2006 @ 14:54 |
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lol. Trust me, it's strange for me backing Nintendo, I've watched them screw up from the sidelines for years now.
I do agree with you that LOTS more money is spent on movies than games, it's a bigger industry in general. But if you think the sheer fact of Blu-ray is going to be a huge pull for the PS3, I seriously think you're off your rocker, but again that's my opinion, time will tell, and I could be very wrong. What I can say is that talking to people standing in lines three days before launch, not one of them would even joke about Blu-ray movies being a big pull; it was games. The funniest thing to me was that they were mostly psyched about games that aren't yet released (Why would you camp for a system that will potentially have the game you want six months to two years from now, that makes no sense!?!?)
While the film market in general is bigger, that doesn't mean the high definition film market is bigger. Only a fraction of film lovers are using high def equipment. True, many of them are on this forum, but that's natural, given the nature of the forum. That doesn't reflect accurately the consumer economy of standards though, not remotely.
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which proves why the HD DVD add-on and the V2 wii is useless and isnt worth the extra money.
When did anyone say that was worth it? I said that the systems alone were, again IMO, a much better investment than the PS3, despite the blu ray support. Not that you should buy the HD DVD, or that a 1080i Wii v2(Which if you read prior pages was a quickly debunked rumor), I don't think that's a good investment right now either. High def video players in general are not a worthy investment at this point in time, the format war is too early, and not worth investing that kind of money in; over the next couple years, prices will drop, and it will be more affordable, justifying the purchase much more.
As for good games on the Wii, you obviously haven't tried the majority of them. Which is normal, most people only try a fraction of the available titles for a system in the first few weeks. I highly suggest you try Trauma Center, among others. Besides, as a game player, you can't honestly tell me you're pleased with the majority of PS3 game releases right now. It's got motorstorm, which is decent if you're really into desert sports. And Lair, which is very pretty, but lacking in the gameplay/fun factor department. Untold Legends is yet another rehash of a game that got boring about halfway through the first title on the PSP. A majority of the multi platform titles are not considered to be at their bet on the PS3, per reviews; particularly one of the biggest stars of multi-platform gaming, Madden. So, going into the Wii's gaming selection vs PS3's really isn't the strongest territory to venture to, from a PS3 perspective.
The PS3 has Linux, which is a definite plus; and a built in internet browser, which is slightly useful for some users. And, in the future blu ray might be a better perspective, but not right now.
We can all argue and have a hayday over which system is better all day long till the cows come home. They've each got their high points; but I still stand by getting two of the three, for *roughly* the same price as the other one. It gives more variety in gameplay experience, by far.
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28. November 2006 @ 16:37 |
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Man, I seriously wish that my bro didnt waste around 500 bucks on the 360 (He bought the one that has everything and a game plus warranty). The Wii looks like an awesome console but having good graphics wouldnt hurt. I hope they arent TOO horrible but atleast better then the gamecube. And we dont have a HDTV either so ya, no hd anyway lol.
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oofRome
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28. November 2006 @ 18:05 |
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For the record: The Ballad of Ricky Bobby was an awesome movie. In contrast, I thought King Kong was a waste of time. It would've been better if it was an hour shorter. I thought it was a huge dissappointment.
I'd watch ricky bobby over king kong any day of the week.
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CrisKahn2
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28. November 2006 @ 20:18 |
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Yesss....Ricky Bobby owns
Yea its true i havent tried all the games but who has.... im not rich enough to buy all of them. Maybe i will rent some tomorrow.
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Besides, as a game player, you can't honestly tell me you're pleased with the majority of PS3 game releases right now. It's got motorstorm, which is decent if you're really into desert sports. And Lair, which is very pretty, but lacking in the gameplay/fun factor department. Untold Legends is yet another rehash of a game that got boring about halfway through the first title on the PSP.
Have you played all those games? This makes me realize that i was doing the samething , no i havent played any other game on the wii i shouldnt have dissed it my bad.
You forgot Resistance tho that game is awsome.
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But if you think the sheer fact of Blu-ray is going to be a huge pull for the PS3, I seriously think you're off your rocker, but again that's my opinion, time will tell, and I could be very wrong.
No way! When is the last time Sony's special media format ever took off. Every thing they made flopped from mini disc to umd and so forth. But they have always been on top in the gaming category. But i think Blu Ray has a better chance cuz of its storage capacity. Maybe someday you will see TV series on Blu ray instead of many volumes of dvds.
But seriously im still backing my argument when i say the PS3 isnt over priced. Go find a PC or Laptop for $499 or $599 and see if it plays games that has the same graphics as the PS3 or Plays Blueray.
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silver95
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29. November 2006 @ 14:24 |
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Everyone who complains about how ugly the graphics are for the Wii, please take your head out of your ass. You're the same people who have spent the past 6 years praising Sony for all the wonderful and beautiful games the PS2 has been able to push out.
The Wii may be a GCx1.5 for graphics, but it's easily a PS2x2.0. Every game the PS2 could do, even if it needed to stutter and slowdown(Shadow of the Colossus, for example), the Wii can do with ease and without the slowdowns.
Are you people still saying that games like FFX look bad, even compared to modern games? I went back and played it and guess what? It's still a beautiful game. The Wii can do that, with more detailed textures, then slap HDR lighting in there to make it even more beautiful, to the point of providing a valid challenge against the PS3 at the same resolution(480p).
How about a game like FFXII? I've seen the screens for that. Looks pretty amazing, in all those cutscenes.
You sony boys have spent the past 6 years saying the PS2 is the most amazing, beautiful machine ever, when it's been the runt of the litter for power. Now Nintendo comes by, provides a system that can do absolutely EVERYTHING the PS2 could do(except for CD and DVD playback, for now), even better than the PS2 could hope for, and you say it's garbage.
Yet, all the ports of games coming for both the PS3 and the 360, the 360 versions have been better, smoother and far less buggy. The PS3 has choked on absolutely everything it has tried to do. The best use for a PS3 is as a cheap livingroom emulation and media center box. Leave the games to MS for anything online multiplayer and Nintendo for anything else.
And remember: for every 1 game a developer makes for the PS3, they can produce 3 for the Wii at the same cost, or less, to make up the money needed to produce your lower quality ports. ;)
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29. November 2006 @ 15:54 |
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But seriously im still backing my argument when i say the PS3 isnt over priced. Go find a PC or Laptop for $499 or $599 and see if it plays games that has the same graphics as the PS3 or Plays Blueray.
And show me a PS3 that will do all of your pc needs while still playing windows games in a stable fashion, since it has so many different titles than a console. You can scream Linux all you like, but once you start trying to run Windows emulators (Because unfortunately Linux games are rare, and I love Linux) that 512mb of ram is just not remotely enough.
It's not a good comparison, it's like comparing a lunchbox to a scooter. One contains ho ho's for your school lunch, and one gets you to school(Yes, I just suggested a scooter for serious transportation, I realize how very foolish this is, but it was fun). They have nothing in common, other than a few building materials. They are both practical for two different things. You *could* store your lunch in your folded up scooter, but it wouldn't work very well, lol. And you could try to ride your lunchbox to work... But you'd be locked up.
And now that the ranting portion is finished, I dd forget Resistance, a decent title. Somewhat cliched, and it really offers nothing new in the way of gameplay experience, but it does the same old thing very well. That was enough to make "Return to Castle Wolfenstein (2001, pc)" a classic in my book. Even if a game does absolutely nothing new, if it does all the old well; it's good in my book. I just don't know that that sort of thing makes for a great launch title, perse.
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30. November 2006 @ 05:27 |
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My fiance, who isn't really a fan of video games, even thinks the Wii looks fun. It appeals to people who aren't hardcore into video games because it's interactive and reasonably priced. I know that if I had one I could easily play games with my fiance, or little cousins or nieces, and I'm sure that parents who are into video games probably think the same thing, I can't see doing that with Gears of War or Resistance: FoM. They even played it on Good Morning America yesterday, and they hardly ever even talk about video games except to relate them to teen violence.
BTW, if you do own one, don't get too excited playing, it could be dangerous!:
http://videogames.yahoo.com/ongoingfeature?eid=494785&page=0
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Well, provided that the news media doesn't go nuts over the guy who injured himself; this could be great for gaming in the public eye.
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14. December 2006 @ 16:24 |
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Man just give it up the wii is so much better then the ps3 and the 360 it rules the whole world ok here ill say it again the wii is the best system ever made
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15. December 2006 @ 10:06 |
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@bombboy
Don't fill threads with that garbage. We don't want it.
If you are going to post in a thread you've not been in, just to tell some guy 'not to try it' because 'wii is the best ever'. That's just blatantly ignorant (An interesting oxymoron, methinks.)
ChrisKahn had some good arguments, and I'm glad he posted them. Ultimately, it seems he decided that he had not tried enough of the titles to really argue; but he didn't pretend to know more than he does. I give him a lot of respect for that, because most people won't admit that. They just keep arguing in areas they don't know.
As far as ChrisKahn is concerned, he's got my respect, because when he realizes doesn't know something, or can't verify something, he doesn't try to make it up; that means that when he posts something, regular users know that he is telling the truth.
His posts were full of interesting information, points, and reasoning. Yours was full of garbage.
The bottom line:
Posting something like 'man just give it up' in ANY thread that you haven't even taken part in, is going to make you look like an arse, and odds are you might be one. Especially when the users in the thread have had an in-depth coverage of the topic.
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15. December 2006 @ 11:38 |
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alright im sorry for what i have done
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