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Media Sales 5/27 - 6/2
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Unjust2u
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28. May 2007 @ 18:15 |
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Hello All! I went to office depot yesterday and picked up two packs of the Office Depot Media 16x DVD+R's that code out as Ricohjpn, and so for they work great! Good Stuff! Burned at 8x speed and played back flawlessly and got a 93 Quality score on Nero CD Speed. /Unjust
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dr99
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28. May 2007 @ 18:24 |
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Originally posted by Unjust2u:
Hello All! I went to office depot yesterday and picked up two packs of the Office Depot Media 16x DVD+R's that code out as Ricohjpn, and so for they work great! Good Stuff! Burned at 8x speed and played back flawlessly and got a 93 Quality score on Nero CD Speed. /Unjust
that sounds pretty good, because i get 93 quality with my taiyo yuden DVD-R burned at 8x.
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29. May 2007 @ 03:48 |
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Originally posted by Unjust2u:
Hello All! I went to office depot yesterday and picked up two packs of the Office Depot Media 16x DVD+R's that code out as Ricohjpn, and so for they work great! Good Stuff! Burned at 8x speed and played back flawlessly and got a 93 Quality score on Nero CD Speed. /Unjust
ok how do i know which packs are Ricohjpn and which ones are Ritek F16's
thanks :)
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Fiji5555
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29. May 2007 @ 13:43 |
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I learned AFTER I bought my crappy F16's that you can look at the inner hub through the unopened pack. You will see a faint white printing of VR5F16-00177 for the Ritek F16s and (looking at an older Ricohjpn) DO127C20230R. These will be backwards looking at the top so some eyeball crossing and squinting maybe required . Also the Ricohjpn's have two sets of numbers but my understanding is you want to look at the smaller font sized numbers.I wouldn't worry about matching the numbers up exactly.....just the VR5F16 and Dxxxx numbers should be enough. I plan on returning my unopened packs and seeing if I can find any Ricohjpn's while I'm there.
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29. May 2007 @ 17:07 |
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The Ricohjpn can also be found on some fujis. Ricohjpn is fine. I've had no problems with them.
Has anyone tried burning beyond 8x with the 16x +R verbs? I did a couple of times (before I realized that I wasn't putting a cap on the speed [at 8x]) and the quality was poor. Yes, all my drives are clean, well taken care of, and constantly updated with the latest firmware.
Maybe I should try 12x. BTW, both DVD drives are liteons.
Latest AnyDVD to rip > VOBB to blank the unwanted on a DVD > Shrink to compress > ImgBurn to burn = Never starting a thread asking how to backup a movie
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Unjust2u
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29. May 2007 @ 17:44 |
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@ Mr. Pink , Yes I have burned Verbatim 16x DVD+R disks at 12x with almost identical results as burning at 8x speed using Nero Recode. I have a Liteon LH-18A1P Drive if that helps at all? /Unjust
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dr99
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29. May 2007 @ 18:27 |
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Originally posted by Mr_Pink:
The Ricohjpn can also be found on some fujis. Ricohjpn is fine. I've had no problems with them.
Has anyone tried burning beyond 8x with the 16x +R verbs? I did a couple of times (before I realized that I wasn't putting a cap on the speed [at 8x]) and the quality was poor. Yes, all my drives are clean, well taken care of, and constantly updated with the latest firmware.
Maybe I should try 12x. BTW, both DVD drives are liteons.
i burn them at 16x and get 95 quality in Nero cd speed.
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nico191
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29. May 2007 @ 18:49 |
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Is it me, or do some of you guys just not give ritek enough credit. Sure, Verbatim and TY typically gets a tad better quality scores, but from my personal experience, the ritek 16x stuff is top notch. Get consistent scores between 93 and 95 using my lite on drive burning the OD brand 16x stuff. Went to office depot yesterday, actually sorting through the Richo to get 5 50pk's of Ritek 16x +r. At 7.99/50 pk, you cant go wrong. Stock up while you can, great value for AT LEAST "Good" media.
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29. May 2007 @ 19:15 |
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You can have good scores , but check the disks further on down the road and see if they've held up.I know the Ty's and Verbs do.Wasted a lot of disks for back ups that deteriated over time. Chris
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Fiji5555
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30. May 2007 @ 07:47 |
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Nico, I have no problem with Ritek usually. I have used their R03's for years and loved them. The problem I have with their F16's is that they start out burning great but halfway through, it turns to crap on my burner. I have tried every known speed and variations on the firmware for my burner to be able to get a good burn to no avail. The problem people have with any media is finding a brand and type that gives great burns with their personal burner. I think the industry needs to sit down and figure out how to make all burners compatible with their blank DVD's. To make matters worse, sellers like Office Depot change their supplier without telling the customer so we are reduced to looking at source codes before buying, that is if we even know what we are looking at in the first place. I'm off now to return my F16's and see if they have the Ricohjpn's which my burner loves.
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Fiji5555
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30. May 2007 @ 09:43 |
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Yay! Success! =] I exchanged the Ritek F16's for 4 packs of Ricohjpn's with no hassle. The lady at the checkout prob thought I was weird because it looked like I was getting exactly the same thing but I threw some technical jargon at her and she seemed satisfied if not totally comprehending. Those Ricohjpn codes are really hard to see in the sealed packs. I saw more F16's and a few P16's on the shelf also. Came back home and burnt one disc and it checks out really good on CDSpeed. These should hold me for about 6 months or longer.
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JoeRyan
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30. May 2007 @ 13:30 |
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The industry did sit down and figure out how to make all the discs fairly compatible with the drives, to a degree. The answer is in the field ID codes, many of them dedicated to describing the parameters of the disc and its particular dye and manufacturing process. Unfortunately, those parameters need to be interpreted by rather expensive chipsets. Those chipsets are found in the older $300 drives. They do not appear in the $40 drives common everywhere today. Instead, inexpensive flash chips with MID code recognition and command instructions sit in these cheaper drives. If the MID code was not programmed properly, or the firmware rushed in order to get to market before the next competitor's drive, or settings made to intentionally make one's own or favorite brands perform better than competitive brands, the consumer suffers.
On many drives I've seen Ritek F16s outperform RicohJPN; on other drives it's the reverse. Both are excellent performers in the laboratory analysis. No one who has made a good recording on either and takes care of his or her media will have any problems in the future.
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Fiji5555
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30. May 2007 @ 14:04 |
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Why have so many different types of dyes and situations then? Wouldn't say 5 to 8 dye types cover all areas? What is the solution to this other than having more expensive chip sets? As I understand it Memorex doesn't really deserve the bad rap it has received over the years since the burners don't have the proper codes to use?
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JoeRyan
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31. May 2007 @ 05:11 |
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CD-R dye types fall into three classes: cyanine (the first); azo-cyanine; and phthalocyanine. There are different suppliers of each type. Some dyes come in liquid form, others are in powders that must be mixed with solvents to produce the right viscosity to work with a number of different manufacturing lines using different pumps, filtering systems, and spin coaters. All these variables mean that the end products from different manufacturers end up with slightly different characteristics that are amplified by the different groove geometry from the stampers producing the substrates.
DVDs have three types of dye: azo-cyanine, cyanine, and oxonol (Fuji). Here, too, there are differences in manufacturers, the prices they charge, and the royalties they demand for patents. Fuji introduced oxonol dye as a lower priced alternative to the extravagant charges for metalized azo-cyanine. Oxonol requires slightly more laser power but shows promise of being more stable over time than azo-cyanine or cyanine dyes; but the extra power requirement meant that drives' firmware and recording laser diode had to be tuned to handle the extra power. In those cases where the drive was not tuned to Fuji dye, the recordings would be poor (unless the user decreased the speed and, concomitantly, the power required). Some people who had poor results claimed that those discs with Fuji dye were "poor quality" or used cruder language to describe the brands. Those people who had good results were told they were lucky and got "good batches." The very fact that there were good and bad results was "proof" that the brands using oxonol were of variable quality and, therefore, unreliable. This is a false conclusion.
Memorex uses a number of suppliers, including Ritek, CMC, Prodisc, and MBI. There are probably several reasons for this, one being that their market share in North America is greater than the next two brands combined and no single factory could keep up with that demand. Multiple factories is also a safer practice in case one factory has production problems or limitations, and it also gives the buyer the advantage of better price negotiating power. Judging from forums other than After Dawn, consumers appear to love Memorex; and their huge market share year after year seems to support that.
The solution for better consumer satisfaction is not more expensive chipsets--retailers do not want prices to increase, and neither do consumers. The solution is better cooperation between drive manufacturers and media suppliers, and we are beginning to see that through consolidation. Lite-on, for example, now manufactures drives for Philips, HP, BenQ, Plextor, Memorex, Sony, and others; and Lite-on has good relationships with Taiwanese media suppliers since Lite-on is also based near Taipei. (Some drives from Lite-on, however, do have limited firmware support, probably because the brands using them care mostly about their own media and not others. Sony and HP come to mind.) Hitachi/LG has become more supportive of Taiwanese MID codes, and Pioneer has always been supportive--and generous in its firmware updates. Optiarc, the consortium of Sony/NEC/Lite-on, however, was slapped together to move NEC into the Blu-ray camp; and Sony appears to have crippled NEC's once cooperative efforts to make sure their drives work with all popular media. So, despite good technical efforts, the politics behind sales and marketing of media is hurting consumers. (This is very obvious with high definition video, but it is the chief reason behind many consumers' unsatisfactory results with certain discs--and some After Dawn members too quickly accuse certain brands of poor quality without seeing the whole picture.)
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1. June 2007 @ 15:46 |
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I went to Officemax today, they didn't have the Verbs on sale in the store, but they did online. Just a few extra bucks, for Verbs it's worth it, my best burns are on Verbs.
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24. June 2007 @ 08:44 |
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JoeRyan thanks for the insight into the politics and manufacturing of CD/DVD's
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