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Nero 8 and infamous PMA Update Failure
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21. September 2008 @ 13:55 |
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Originally posted by LilMikeyP:
Now why Nero is saying I have almost 2 gigs of RAM in use is beyond me. I don't have anything else running when I'm burning.
definitely sounds like Vista to me. I run Nero 6 (6.6.0.18 in fact) under XP and the maximum amount of memory used here while burning was/is 600MB on any of my XP machines, leaving more than enough (most of my machines have between 1GB and 4GB total RAM)
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LilMikeyP
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21. September 2008 @ 14:02 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by LilMikeyP:
Now why Nero is saying I have almost 2 gigs of RAM in use is beyond me. I don't have anything else running when I'm burning.
definitely sounds like Vista to me. I run Nero 6 (6.6.0.18 in fact) under XP and the maximum amount of memory used here while burning was/is 600MB on any of my XP machines, leaving more than enough (most of my machines have between 1GB and 4GB total RAM)
So what would that mean in terms of the size ISO you can burn? Are you able to burn ISO's that are more than your total RAM amount? With only 600MB in use, if you had 4 gigs of ram, you'd still have 3.4G available, which is a fair amount. Can you burn ISO's bigger than that?
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21. September 2008 @ 14:06 |
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I very rarely bother with ISO's, but have never had a problem with them the few times i've created/used any. As i say one of my machines has only 1GB and therefore would have 400MB free during burning.
I think we need to rewind a little and concentrate on the actual PMA update error itself, it rings a bell, i'll do some quick googling...
edit- first one i found - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/96940/532718 - from Craig Campbell who actually works for Nero...
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LilMikeyP
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21. September 2008 @ 14:18 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
I very rarely bother with ISO's, but have never had a problem with them the few times i've created/used any. As i say one of my machines has only 1GB and therefore would have 400MB free during burning.
I think we need to rewind a little and concentrate on the actual PMA update error itself, it rings a bell, i'll do some quick googling...
edit- first one i found - http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_jump.cfm/96940/532718 - from Craig Campbell who actually works for Nero...
Thanks, Creaky. I did see that thread. I have not changed the buffer because I was a little confused by the thread. Nero is set to use too MUCH RAM? How can that be? And should I set it lower, what should I set it too? I wonder if I did a Nero Update and it reset something to a bad setting since the last time I was able to burn correctly. I'm at work right now (Yay Sunday work instead of watching football! /sarcasm), but maybe I'll tweak the settings when I get home.
FWIW, I did reinstall the nVidia chipset drivers being that Windows Update wanted me to and it didn't resolve my burning issues when I removed them.
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21. September 2008 @ 14:48 |
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I've never had a need to mess with the Buffer settings.
In fact it's been a very very long time since i last even checked any of my Nero logs. Just noticed that Nero thinks i've only got 2GB
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Physical memory : 2047MB (2097151kB)
Free physical memory: 1480MB (1516360kB)
Memory in use : 55
I'm using good ole 32-bit XP so of course XP will only see 3.4GB or so out of my 4GB, which is fine, but the above seems to suggest Nero can only see 2GB. My Nero is old so that's probably why it can't see all the RAM. I mostly only use imgburn nowadays anyway.
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Physical memory : 2047MB (2097151kB)
Free physical memory: 2047MB (2097151kB)
Memory in use : 29
- wierd, that's a snippet from a burn a few days ago. Hmmm, strange.
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Total Physical Memory: 3,407,072 KB - Available: 2,247,092 KB
- snippet from an imburn log.
Anyways, i'll have a re-read thru the entire thread from the start..
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21. September 2008 @ 15:19 |
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@LilMikey
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I have been burning DVDs absolutely fine up until today.
That was 15 Sep You said nothing had changed that day. What could be so important you installed since then. A simple system restore just removes programs not your files AND can be undone. You do what you want but that's a no lose situation if your pc is properly configured. I would hope you dated your back ups, and so you can choose the date of the last successful Verb back up. If it does not work, undo it, and you're still back to not burning dvds.
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LilMikeyP
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21. September 2008 @ 16:37 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
I've never had a need to mess with the Buffer settings.
In fact it's been a very very long time since i last even checked any of my Nero logs. Just noticed that Nero thinks i've only got 2GB
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Physical memory : 2047MB (2097151kB)
Free physical memory: 1480MB (1516360kB)
Memory in use : 55
I'm using good ole 32-bit XP so of course XP will only see 3.4GB or so out of my 4GB, which is fine, but the above seems to suggest Nero can only see 2GB. My Nero is old so that's probably why it can't see all the RAM. I mostly only use imgburn nowadays anyway.
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Physical memory : 2047MB (2097151kB)
Free physical memory: 2047MB (2097151kB)
Memory in use : 29
- wierd, that's a snippet from a burn a few days ago. Hmmm, strange.
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Total Physical Memory: 3,407,072 KB - Available: 2,247,092 KB
- snippet from an imburn log.
Anyways, i'll have a re-read thru the entire thread from the start..
If you come up with anything, let me know.
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LilMikeyP
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21. September 2008 @ 16:39 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
@LilMikey
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I have been burning DVDs absolutely fine up until today.
That was 15 Sep You said nothing had changed that day. What could be so important you installed since then. A simple system restore just removes programs not your files AND can be undone. You do what you want but that's a no lose situation if your pc is properly configured. I would hope you dated your back ups, and so you can choose the date of the last successful Verb back up. If it does not work, undo it, and you're still back to not burning dvds.
Yes, but I hadn't attempted to burn anything for about a month. I think 8/18 was my last successful Nero burn log. So when I say today (the 15th), maybe I should clarify that by saying I have not had a problem since I burned last up until today.
As far as a rollback goes, I know it only uninstalls software/drivers, etc, but doesn't touch documents. However, I have installed a bunch of software since then, and I will have to reinstall all of that. My backups I just want to make sure are up to date just in case something goes wrong. It's never a bad idea to do that, even if you're just doing a rollback.
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21. September 2008 @ 17:22 |
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I did read something a wile back ,that some systems with 4 gig of ram can be problematic think that?s the correct phrase its late :( so might be worth taking a stick or 2 out just to prove a point
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21. September 2008 @ 17:24 |
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That's not the case here nor have i read that anywhere though..
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21. September 2008 @ 17:35 |
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Originally posted by creaky: I've never had a need to mess with the Buffer settings.
In fact it's been a very very long time since i last even checked any of my Nero logs. Just noticed that Nero thinks i've only got 2GB
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21. September 2008 @ 17:40 |
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Sure.. but i'm just assuming that because my version of Nero is quite old it can't cater for/or just can't recognise the 3.4GB of usable RAM on my particular machine; i've also not found anything on the internet about Nero being problematic as you put it/nor have i found any info re why Nero seems to only recognise 2GB..
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LilMikeyP
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21. September 2008 @ 18:25 |
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Well I don't think it's not recognizing the fact that I have 4 gigs of RAM because of the fact that it is reporting it. For whatever reason, though, it's just not allowing me (seemingly) to burn anything above the useable amount of RAM left.
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21. September 2008 @ 20:10 |
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I think it's one of the programs you have installed since you're last good burn. But there's that thing about still being able to do a Ridata disc. puzzling? I'm outta ideas.
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LilMikeyP
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21. September 2008 @ 20:25 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
I think it's one of the programs you have installed since you're last good burn. But there's that thing about still being able to do a Ridata disc. puzzling? I'm outta ideas.
Exactly my thoughts. The Ridata's work fine. I'm absolutely stumped. Which is exactly why I posted the thread to begin with :P
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21. September 2008 @ 22:15 |
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I don't think that the amount of RAM limits the size of the ISO file, I always rip then burn DL disks using DVD Decrypter to rip to an ISO file, then burn with either Nero or IMGBurn, I have an ancient Dell 1.9 GHz processor running XP with 1.0 Gig of ram, yet I burn 8.4 Mbyte movie ISO files with no issues or conflicts. I know it seems as if we are comparing apples to oranges here perhaps, but I think that we can rule out a limit to ISO size based on available RAM.
I've been following this thread for a while and have become completely stumped, and amazed by all the gurus who have passed thru this thread and yet to have solved it.
I'm wondering if you ran a free system diagnostic program like Everest Free 2.20 and posted back all of the hardware/software on your system and someone's sharp eyes could pinpoint a problomatic conflict.
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LilMikeyP
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21. September 2008 @ 22:24 |
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Originally posted by blivetNC:
I don't think that the amount of RAM limits the size of the ISO file, I always rip then burn DL disks using DVD Decrypter to rip to an ISO file, then burn with either Nero or IMGBurn, I have an ancient Dell 1.9 GHz processor running XP with 1.0 Gig of ram, yet I burn 8.4 Mbyte movie ISO files with no issues or conflicts. I know it seems as if we are comparing apples to oranges here perhaps, but I think that we can rule out a limit to ISO size based on available RAM.
I've been following this thread for a while and have become completely stumped, and amazed by all the gurus who have passed thru this thread and yet to have solved it.
I'm wondering if you ran a free system diagnostic program like Everest Free 2.20 and posted back all of the hardware/software on your system and someone's sharp eyes could pinpoint a problomatic conflict.
I'm willing to try anything short of formatting. I mean I will if it comes to that, but I'd rather exhaust all options first. I think tomorrow I'm going to go out and buy a bigger external drive, because I've outgrown this 500G one. I saw one at Walmart for the same price as Newegg, believe it or not (actually a penny cheaper). That way I can do a full backup of everything and not have to worry about formatting. I've already backed up the essentials, but I'd rather have peace of mind knowing that everything is off this machine before I go tooling around.
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22. September 2008 @ 11:14 |
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is your version of vista 64-bit?
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LilMikeyP
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22. September 2008 @ 11:24 |
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Originally posted by killalot:
is your version of vista 64-bit?
Yes. Vista 64-bit Ultimate Edition.
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22. September 2008 @ 11:31 |
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is your version of Nero 64-bit? reason i ask if its a 32-bit program it can only access 2 gig of ram still doesn't explain why you can burn ridata do you have a log from a good burn with the ridata
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LilMikeyP
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22. September 2008 @ 11:42 |
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Originally posted by killalot:
is your version of Nero 64-bit? reason i ask if its a 32-bit program it can only access 2 gig of ram still doesn't explain why you can burn ridata do you have a log from a good burn with the ridata
I don't believe there even is a 64 bit version of Nero. I own Nero 8 Ultimate Edition that I bought directly from Nero's website.
I'm at work right now, but I may be able to pull a successful Ridata log from my computer at home.
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22. September 2008 @ 17:13 |
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I don't know what all that has to do with his problem. I'm not trying to step on your toes either. He was burning fine with the programs he has - Nero 8 and Vista UE. The programs then have not changed to what they are today and yet he can't close a disc when he was able to then. Either the drive is now having trouble with all the discs except the Ridatas or in the last month a conflict has developed preventing closing the discs-but why not the Ridatas.
@LilMikey
What are you riping the dvds with-Fab,anydvd or what? Then what program in Nero do you use -Recode? Or do you use Shrink or something else and then burn with Nero. Are you dealing with ISO only? Can you burn a verb to completion using DVDFab for rip and shrink and burn or DVDFab and neroRecode and have the disc closed and play in standalone player?? I sure would love to see what a different SATA burner would do. Can you burn a -R disc?
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22. September 2008 @ 18:39 |
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Originally posted by garmoon:
@killalot
I don't know what all that has to do with his problem. I'm not trying to step on your toes either. He was burning fine with the programs he has - Nero 8 and Vista UE. The programs then have not changed to what they are today and yet he can't close a disc when he was able to then. Either the drive is now having trouble with all the discs except the Ridatas or in the last month a conflict has developed preventing closing the discs-but why not the Ridatas.
@LilMikey
What are you riping the dvds with-Fab,anydvd or what? Then what program in Nero do you use -Recode? Or do you use Shrink or something else and then burn with Nero. Are you dealing with ISO only? Can you burn a verb to completion using DVDFab for rip and shrink and burn or DVDFab and neroRecode and have the disc closed and play in standalone player?? I sure would love to see what a different SATA burner would do. Can you burn a -R disc?
Actually for testing purposes, I've left it to just ISO's. This all started because last week I was trying to burn another copy of an ISO I have because I couldn't find a copy that I had previously burned. I have been trying that same ISO (that worked fine before) with all the brand discs I have (the ones I listed earlier). Then to make sure it wasn't that single ISO that was bad somehow (even though it burns on the Ridatas for whatever reason), I tried a few other ISOs. Some did work - all the ones that were under 3G or so in size, so that's why I mentioned it as possibly being a cause. I have not tried ripping any DVDs and burning them. Well I ripped a DVD the other day, but I did not burn it, only ripped it to DVD-9 on my hard drive so that I can play it over Media Center. I did that with FabPlatinum 5. I can try burning it to a DVD-5 using Fab tonight when I get home, though. I have not tried anything other than the ISO's aside from that, though, like I said.
Such a strange issue. Here's the quick recap:
All media has trouble burning large ISO's.
All media seems to successfully burn smaller ISO's (sort of - few exceptions)
Ridata's (8x only discs) are burning everything fine.
Makes no damn sense! :P
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LilMikeyP
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22. September 2008 @ 23:06 |
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Okay, time for an update. I took files I had previously ripped off a full DVD disc and loaded them up into DVDFab Platinum 5. Chose DVD-5 and the burner as the destination - and bam! Worked. Not a single error message. Tried the DVD on my Xbox 360 (that's my DVD player) and it works fine. I also tried it in the computer that burned it, but I figured that would work regardless.
So that's some new information to work on - DVD Fab burned a disc (Verbatim) just fine.
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22. September 2008 @ 23:13 |
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So we know the burner can do vts files and is probably working correctly. Now take the newly burned disc that plays and use imgBurn to create an ISO file and then try to burn that ISO with ImgBurn. Forget using Nero for now! That'll tell you if it can burn an ISO file that is not corrupted. The ISO files you have been trying to burn may have been corrupted somehow in their rips. I can't wait for results tomorrow.
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