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20. October 2008 @ 15:58 |
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An easy way to get a larger size would be to run the prepare stage. Then use the segment viewer and choose some segments to not reencode. You may even get a warning that the files will be oversized. Just save, exit and continue.
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20. October 2008 @ 16:32 |
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Why do you suppose it removed the unreferenced material?
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20. October 2008 @ 16:53 |
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For that reason.
It's unreferenced.
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20. October 2008 @ 17:11 |
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Dont quote me, because i havnt verified but, I believe by removing/altering it from "Hidalgo" it effected NEEDED subtitles. Is that not possible, was it something else?
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20. October 2008 @ 17:17 |
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The subtitles will be there unless you choose otherwise.
This is one movie where the subtitles must be kept.
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20. October 2008 @ 18:00 |
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Originally posted by dialysis1:
The subtitles will be there unless you choose otherwise.
This is one movie where the subtitles must be kept.
When I realized that the subtitles were not right, I made sure I kept them. Ive backed up the disc twice. The second time I had to manually select English subs #6 if memory serves. Not a serious biggie but.. it is rather irritating. I thought it might be some weird form of dvd backup discouragement. Simply put, make it more difficult to backup. Probably just some weird bug. I REALLY GOTTA TRY IT AGAIN. Unless shrink effected the structure, it has to have been the unref mat. I know, I know, doesnt make sense right? Its all i got left...
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21. October 2008 @ 12:03 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
..DISREGARDING SPEED. I WANT it to take its time 2-3 hours and do a good job. CCE did a GOOD job with the movie. But... some of the extras were robbed more than i'd like. I only told it to take 25% from the extras.
Used AnyDVD to rip "the thin red line" and then DVD rebuilder pro with Cce sp. 165 mins. Exeptional quality (movie and menus only).
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1. November 2008 @ 00:58 |
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I recently found HC to do a better job than CCE, VERY interesting. But back to my question. Does HC encoder (by default) take bitrate away from dark scenes? Because im backing up the lost seasons, and am running into some slite pixelation regarding darker scenes. Oh... if anyone is wondering about the HC/CCE comparison I did, It was "Lost S1D6". close to 4hrs of video. Go figure hummmf. cce did a very likeable job, but... HC did substantially better. Jdobbs... and anyone involved, THANK YOU. Keep up the good work. YES I DONATED. And i'll more than likely donate again. I do owe the community, in a manor of speaking. :)
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1. November 2008 @ 09:15 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I recently found HC to do a better job than CCE, VERY interesting. But back to my question. Does HC encoder (by default) take bitrate away from dark scenes? Because im backing up the lost seasons, and am running into some slite pixelation regarding darker scenes. Oh... if anyone is wondering about the HC/CCE comparison I did, It was "Lost S1D6". close to 4hrs of video. Go figure hummmf. cce did a very likeable job, but... HC did substantially better. Jdobbs... and anyone involved, THANK YOU. Keep up the good work. YES I DONATED. And i'll more than likely donate again. I do owe the community, in a manor of speaking. :)
To do a disc that's almost 4 hours long and to get slite pixelation is not that bad. What was the average bitrate and what matrix did you use?
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1. November 2008 @ 14:52 |
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im afraid I didnt save the logfile. I can take some stills with Vdub. Actually Shrink did a pretty decent job recently with a 3 hr video job. But it was 70% of original + AEC. Ive found that shrink does a pretty decent job so long as the source video is good (MOST IMPORTANT), and its not below 60% on the compression scale. Though ive had it do a good job with less. E.G. KING KONG. I also ran a test with a voyager episode a few years ago. 40% of orginal. It looked reasonable. VERY REASONABLE. Though at the time I only had a 17" CRT monitor. :) I only use the Default settings on Rebuilder. NO TWEAKING! After seeing the pixelation on the dark scene... Gonna have to play.
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1. November 2008 @ 14:55 |
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You know what? I still have the source files. I will rebuild again and post. Might be a day however. People may find it interesting.
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1. November 2008 @ 16:24 |
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Rebuilder always creates a log file. It's called rebuilder.log. The log won't show what matrix you used but hopefully you remember. Have you ever used different matrices?
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1. November 2008 @ 21:13 |
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No. Just default, HC SLOW SLOW SLOW. Enable menu encoding, and since I saw whats been called encoder saturation, I no longer steal from the extras. And im afraid the log file goes out with the trash. The iso is all I keep after an encode.
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1. November 2008 @ 21:34 |
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The log file should still be there. Put in a search for rebuilder.log.
Anyway if you're gonna do a 4 hour movie, try using the Avamat7 matrix and see if that helps. The encoder saturation is another story.
You can also use the video segment viewer and use the slider to give more bitrate to the parts that you say were pixelated.
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1. November 2008 @ 22:39 |
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Originally posted by dialysis1:
The log file should still be there. Put in a search for rebuilder.log.
Anyway if you're gonna do a 4 hour movie, try using the Avamat7 matrix and see if that helps. The encoder saturation is another story.
You can also use the video segment viewer and use the slider to give more bitrate to the parts that you say were pixelated.
I will look into the "avamat7" but here is some clipped examples of what im dealing with. Please note that the stills look twice as good as the running video.
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9. November 2008 @ 05:31 |
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Not really looking for easy answers, more opinions than anything. When a disc has both 5.1 and 2ch for the main title, I usually remove the 2ch. 3/5 dvds anymore dont even have 2ch. I gather 5.1 is more a standard, or hardware can easily convert 5.1 to 2ch. Is there some reason I shouldn't remove the 2ch? That would suck. Because 5.1 luckily is 100% of the time default, and removing the 2ch gives a 5-10% quality gain on main title. Hmm... I think I may have answered my own question here. Suggestions???
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9. November 2008 @ 05:49 |
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I personally see no advantage to keeping the 2 ch audio. For those who don't have a home theater setup, when they finally do get one, they'll wish they kept the 5.1 audio.
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13. February 2009 @ 13:36 |
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Well...rebuilder just irritated me! I told it not to touch the extras and it stole close to 400MB anyway!!! I compressed the extras with shrink that way I knew exactly what they would look like in 1/3rd the time. Besides, I think the 10% setting would not have been enough, and 25% is usually too much taken from the extras. Ok yes yes, im critical LOL :) Any thoughts on this??? I suppose I can rerun it through rebuilder and just try the 10% setting. But im still confused as to why rebuilder would steal from the extras, when NOT asked to do so!
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13. February 2009 @ 13:44 |
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I told it not to touch the extras and it stole close to 400MB anyway!!!
Exactly how did you set this?
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13. February 2009 @ 14:17 |
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Yah...quite the morning here for me LOL. Shrink did a pretty good job with the overall movie too(Zack and Miri make a porno). Totally not settling for shrink though!
Ok...What I did was, compress the living...turds out of the extras, 45% of original(NOT BAD), compress the menus as well(Rebuilder wont go as far as I like). Shrink took the menus down to 10% of original!!!! VERY impressed. I couldnt believe that 10% appeared unchanged! But then, the menus had very little animation, motion, Etc. I DID NOT compress the main title with shrink. Then ran it all through rebuilder, NO compression to extras, do not encode menus, and yet...it stole close to 400mb from the extras I already perfected! I do still have some digging to do with the program. Pretty busy guy. Just havnt seen the need when the default is pretty good :) But now...
EDIT - sorry, I used CCE if that makes a difference. Oh heck, heres the log. If you wish me to remove it, I WILL!
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O-Man - not sure if i'm reading you right, but i think you're saying you use Shrink then Rebuilder on the files Shrink has had it's hands on.
I can't remember any links where it's mentioned but even when Shrink's set to do something with no compression the files are changed slightly. One of the other regulars will no doubt explain better than me. Either way, anything i put thru Rebuilder goes nowhere near Shrink.
I can't comment on the stealing extras side of things as for movies i don't want any padding i mean extras on my movies discs :)
..and for episodic's i just run the entire disc thru Rebuilder as-is.
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Heres another little tidbit, buddy :)
Creaky, im sure looking at what im working with, you'll understand why im doing it this way :D
Thats correct. Shrink than rebuild. I wanted to MASTER the extras this way.
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Originally posted by creaky:
O-Man - not sure if i'm reading you right, but i think you're saying you use Shrink then Rebuilder on the files Shrink has had it's hands on.
I can't remember any links where it's mentioned but even when Shrink's set to do something with no compression the files are changed slightly. One of the other regulars will no doubt explain better than me. Either way, anything i put thru Rebuilder goes nowhere near Shrink.
I can't comment on the stealing extras side of things as for movies i don't want any padding i mean extras on my movies discs :)
..and for episodic's i just run the entire disc thru Rebuilder as-is.
Your kidding! I realize extras are not always worth keeping, but in this ones case, THEY ARE A RIOT! LOL
So...you think that shrink could be corrupting(For lack of a better term) the files in such a way, that rebuilder is confused? I have noticed in the past, that its stolen space from the extras without asking. but since it was a marginal loss(50-100mb) I didnt complain about it. But...400MB is pretty extreme. Especially when its Quite noticeable!
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13. February 2009 @ 15:22 |
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It's just that poor old Rebuilder shouldn't have to work with files that it's inferior cousin Shrink (i like Shrink but it is inferior when compared to Rebuilder) had dealt with LOL. I can't remember the details but Shrink changes the files even when set to no compression.
I don't think it messes up the files, just alters them slightly.
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13. February 2009 @ 15:33 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
It's just that poor old Rebuilder shouldn't have to work with files that it's inferior cousin Shrink (i like Shrink but it is inferior when compared to Rebuilder) had dealt with LOL. I can't remember the details but Shrink changes the files even when set to no compression.
I don't think it messes up the files, just alters them slightly.
LOL, on a good day, I might say something like that. Thats good info man. I guess I dont doubt that, given what im seeing. Im rerunning a different backup to see what happens. Its possible that rebuilder is seeing the source files exactly as it should (ONE Main TITLE!!!)
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