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13. February 2009 @ 16:55 |
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Ok, it seemed to acknowledge the deleted scenes as such :) it robbed them more so than the main title. I am however still not complete. It just doesnt encode/rob the menus as much as I would like. It could have taken MUCH more from the menus(300MB). So now, im gonna compress JUST the menus, and rerun it through rebuild and see what I end up with. will post tonight about success. Probably gonna change the output size as well. It could be using another 40-50 MB.
I REALLY want a quad creaky :D <----sinister looking grin
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13. February 2009 @ 22:59 |
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If you are concerned over the menus, then use MenuShrink, prior to running thru Rebuilder.
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13. February 2009 @ 23:21 |
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If you don't want compression on extras or any segment, you need to use the segment viewer to set these to no compression.
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14. February 2009 @ 00:10 |
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OK...MUCH better! So...taking 300+MB from the menus helped ALOT. It split that extra size between both titles. VERY awesome! I can be happy now. I imagine however, that this segment viewer tactic you speak of, could be invaluable! I imagine I will use it eventually :D Thanks Dialysis, for your input.
Originally posted by ferguj1:
If you are concerned over the menus, then use MenuShrink, prior to running thru Rebuilder.
Dude, YOUR AWESOME! I looked for something like that a while back. Thank you :D However, both shrink and rebuilder have accomplished this job. Output is still slightly small...but, its within 30MB of where I want it. And given the imperfections im seeing on my TY's, it might be better to utilize LESS of the outer area of the discs!
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14. February 2009 @ 09:24 |
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If you an animated menu, neither DVD Shrink nor rebuilder can go as far as MenuShrink. They compress it but MenuShrink will reduce it to a still image with or without audio. Just for instance, on the movie Wanted, the original menu size was 52.16 mb after running MenuShrink it is 2.43. In the big scheme of things not a lot of MB, but every little bit helps.
PS- Found a better example: Madagascar: Escape 2 Africa- Original menu size was 300.77mb, shrunk size was 5.60mb. Saved 295.17mb.
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14. February 2009 @ 13:06 |
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I appreciate that buddy :D I guarantee i'll be using that badboy now! I could certainly care less about the way the menus look.
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14. February 2009 @ 20:02 |
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Yup. Just saved myself 150MB. Shrink could take it to 89MB where menushrink took it to 30. But that was keeping the audio. I thought I would try that first. I imagine it'll save me even MORE space in the future. Ive seen menus in excess of 600MB. Forget what it was. You have yourself a good weekend Ferguj1
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14. February 2009 @ 20:42 |
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Glad you like it. I don't use it a lot but when I need the extra space it is nice to have. You have a good weekend as well :D
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1. March 2009 @ 17:59 |
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I can't remember any links where it's mentioned but even when Shrink's set to do something with no compression the files are changed slightly. One of the other regulars will no doubt explain better than me. Either way, anything i put thru Rebuilder goes nowhere near Shrink.
DVD Shrink even under no compression sends its files through the transcoder and there is no way to separate the two. That doesn't mean that a reencode with DVD RB will fail, it's just not necessary since RB can also edit files.
A transcoder leaves the original content as it is and compresses it to fit to a smaller disc. An encoder redistributes a movie across its entire length making bitrate calculations that allows for bitrate reduction where it's needed less, and then uses it where it's needed most. I still have a copy of DVD Shrink and I still use it for legal backups of work discs used in meetings, but I never use it for my own backups.
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1. March 2009 @ 20:12 |
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Yah...I generally only use dvd shrink if I can keep the main title within 90% of original without robbing the extras too much. Depending of course. Sometimes the extras just are not worth keeping! I wish ALL movies would include a Gag reel. You gotta know ALL actors are not perfect, LOL. Its humorous watching especially the big actors/actresses screw up, LOL
Call me crazy, but I just dont think Shrink does that bad a job. I have a 50" plasma that doesnt lie! It really depends on the situation though. A 3hr movie will DEFINITELY benefit from rebuilder!
Even then however, it depends on the source video quality as well. I swear the industry has begun slacking, LOL
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1. March 2009 @ 22:23 |
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Call me crazy, but I just dont think Shrink does that bad a job. I have a 50" plasma that doesnt lie! It really depends on the situation though. A 3hr movie will DEFINITELY benefit from rebuilder! Quote:
I never use Shrink for my own purposes (will use it for the wife though). Shrink softens images (such as one might get when they turn down the sharpness control) which has the effect of hiding artifacts such as mosquito effect but it also hides fine detail. Dr. Shrink did this as a matter of purpose during his last beta test while becoming a member of Ahead software's Nero team. DVD Shrink like all transcoders tends to focus on cutting out Bi-directional most and predictive frames more than Intra frames which are essentially still shots.
Technically a transcoder is one that converts across formats which means that the result is something different than the original, something has changed, or actual video content is being removed. Reencoding means that every frame in a video is being reencoded to adjust for bitrate based on given available space, but nothing else is changes, and nothing is removed. For movies this can be quite effective since large portions of the content can easily have it's bitrate reduced without any changes to quality.
Often when movies are encoded the bitrate is based more on the number of frames in the movie compared to available space more than the movies actual bitrate requirements for particular portions of content. Why not use maximum bitrate if the space is there? It's easier to let the encoder calculate bitrate based on frames and available space since it can quickly count the number of frames and visual activity needed to produce the best over all quality.
Note reduction numbers from Doom9.
Intra-coded" frames : average 7:1 reduction. P frames average about 20:1 reduction, and B frames averaging about 50:1 reduction.
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