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The Official OC (OverClocking) Thread!
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24. January 2008 @ 17:59 |
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I certainly hope there's more to be had from the X2, but there is a pretty strong chance IMO that slow initial drivers is just a cover-up for the product not performing as expected. After all, it's happened before.
I'm one for turning on all the eye candy in games, but I'm also one for games to look their best, and right now I still think that particular ball is in ATI's court, I'm just left waiting for them to make a card that can keep up when you do choose an image that great. Unless the tweaked drivers are better than expected, I may be waiting quite a while...
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24. January 2008 @ 18:13 |
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sammorris,
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Unless the tweaked drivers are better than expected, I may be waiting quite a while...
The thing is, what they're doing has been done before. Multiple GPUs are nothing new! So why doesn't this one work? ATi's done it before with great success, so what's wrong with this one. I just hope I'm right that when they get all the drivers and firmware straightened out, this card should kick ass!
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24. January 2008 @ 18:24 |
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Well, I never recall multi-GPUs being 100% successful in the first place. Given the results I've seen so far, it doesn't look like ATi are doing too badly, certainly not compared to the previous efforts. As you say though, if they can get the drivers sorted out the card could kick serious butt.
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24. January 2008 @ 18:25 |
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the latest drivers for the 3870 standard version have improved things on the single gpu front, not by much, but it does seem a little bit more spritely than before.
as for the bios issues, im sure they wont last long, there have been a couple bios updates for the 3870 already, and plenty of 3rd party ones.
I guess the only way we will see who stays king of the hill is wait and see, when a few non biased sites decide to bench them side by side.
As for games that run better on nvidia, havent you noticed its games that generaly have the 'nvidia the way its ment to be played' sponsorship, Ie - Nvidia have supplied the companys with core code for their gpu's so it is optimised for them.
For a performance test it would be better to use open gl over dx9 / dx10, as opengl will rely more on the optimisation of the drivers for the card, than the directx code which tells the system how to access the hardware(meaning the results can be biased)
"Direct3D expects the application to manage hardware resources; OpenGL makes the implementation do it. This tradeoff for OpenGL decreases difficulty in developing for the API, while at the same time increasing the complexity of creating an implementation (or driver) that performs well. With Direct3D, the developer must manage hardware resources independently - however, the implementation is simpler, and developers have the flexibility to allocate resources in the most efficient way possible for their application."
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25. January 2008 @ 11:28 |
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Hey guys check out this review on the E8400. I bought this chip when it came out for 189.00 USD. Cant wait till i finish getting all the parts for my rig and mess with this chip. Let me know what you guys think..
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25. January 2008 @ 11:36 |
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4.4Ghz? Wow, that's some impressive overclocking! For £130, the CPU's not a bad deal either...
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25. January 2008 @ 11:43 |
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looking through that reveiw the phenom 9900 is looking rather tasty :) but lacks again when it comes to gaming, but still it was nice to see it having higher scores than the intel at 4.4ghz guess theyre still in catch up, but i dont think they are as far behind as expected now. still that intel does look tasty :)
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25. January 2008 @ 11:46 |
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I actually had bought the E6750. But after i saw this one and when it was coming out i sold the 6750 to my friend and went and purchased the E8400. So i hope i made a wise choice to use this chip to be my first sacrifice seeing as this is going to be my first overclock attemp.
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25. January 2008 @ 11:51 |
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reveiw says its only realy worth pushing it to 3.6 as there is little performance increase after that point. dare say you made a wise move
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25. January 2008 @ 12:14 |
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lol gotcha there buddy. I keep changing my mind as to what parts i want making building my rig take longer. I have decided to put a little more money into the motherboard and plan on getting the gigabyte x38 ddr2 to put the E8400 into. Im sure it will be happy there.
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25. January 2008 @ 13:12 |
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nice mobo, and ideal for 2 x 3870 x2's ;o) lol im sure it would kick ass in benchies then lol
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25. January 2008 @ 13:19 |
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Out of curiosity, does quad crossfire exist yet, with the 3870X2s?
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25. January 2008 @ 13:42 |
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Yeah not a big PC gamer myself. I just bought the gigabyte version of the 3850 512mb. If im correct you cant crossfire the 3850. I mostly game on console. But no biggie looking to try some pc games though after i build this rig
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25. January 2008 @ 13:46 |
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I'm pretty sure you can crossfire 3850s. Most people don't though, as the advantage of the 3850's extremely low price is lost if you buy two.
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25. January 2008 @ 14:10 |
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Ah yes but then i can still have a decent set and cheaper still if i should crossfire the 3850 in the future versus the 3870 and so forth. Something to think about i have been changing my mind so much this rig is never going to get built lol.
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25. January 2008 @ 14:39 |
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You can Quad crossfire 3850 and 3870 cards. You can only crossfire two 3870X2 cards though.
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25. January 2008 @ 14:52 |
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Are you serious!! I just looked at the gigabyte site and is says crossfire ready. Thats a bit of false advertising heh..Well doesnt really hurt me but it would have been nice to be able to ugrade to it later on should i feel the need to..
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25. January 2008 @ 14:52 |
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
You can Quad crossfire 3850 and 3870 cards. You can only crossfire two 3870X2 cards though.
beacuse you are Quad firing 4 GPUs thast why.
oh 3-4 GPU Xfire, is called crossfireX
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25. January 2008 @ 14:55 |
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I stand corrected. It says CrossfireX. So i guest that means 4 cards not 2. Dont understand it still as to why 4 and not 2 but oh well. Im sure by the time im ready to do something like that there will be better and cheaper cards out. For now though getting a good bang for the dollar
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27. January 2008 @ 00:10 |
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The real OC performance is gonna' be noted on users utilizing the mobo higher FSB and at lower multi. So even if we chose to keep the current 500x8 profile we will see great results but with less vcore and heat. But now let's say we have a X38 chipset capable of 600FSB, now we can aim our goals higher to maybe 525, 550 to gt higher DDR2 speeds at a nice 1:1 stability.
However, for those who wited this late in the DDR2 game may as well look to DDR3 as it is whee the market is going and prices are dropping nicely as better timings and speeds are coming.
The new Penryns will be better served with DDR3 in 1:2 for both CPU clock and FSB and RAM frequency. The same configuration of 500x8 with new Penryn with return 4GHz on CPU but now in 1:2 offer DDR2000. Or for the more relaxed, DDR1800 or 1600 in FSB 400x or 450x. The great thing is , 45nm will allow for more FSB out of these CPU's if we're willing to utilize it. I dont see 550FSB to out of reach for the duals and maybe 525FSB more obtainable for a quad if not, a least 500FSB much more with ease.
So many cool options to come with new Penryn if utilizing DDR3 on X38. I don't see X48 offering much to improve on X38 other then official FSB and RAM support (for thiose who will not OC if the box doesnt spell it out). I do notice that ECC support is locked out of X48 and early releases will not offer ICH10R yet.
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27. January 2008 @ 00:16 |
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Well many of us have 800mhz DDR2. I think higher multipliers help us a lot more because we can get to higher CPU speeds with using our RAM and keeping low latencies.
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27. January 2008 @ 03:13 |
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Well, in that case, up dividers certainly wont help, and not many P35 and no X38 mobos I used will offer any down dividers for such tweaking. But nonetheless, 1:1 will be just fine for all DDR800 to FSB400 (wich is pretty much stock now days) and better PC2-6400 RAM like some from OCZ and Corsair and Crucial will hit 900 with ease and some even climb to DDR1000 with a lil' tweaking. Just to note, the OCZ PC2-6400 4gb kit (2x2gb) hit DDR1000 easily on 2.2v and 5-5-5-15. So FSB 1000 is a snap for this RAM and some good DDR800 modulas out there. So if you got good mobo FSB and good CPU bus, then DDR1000 of cl5 will return as good scores as DDR800 of cl4.
But for those buying new recently, PC2-8500 is so afordable and very tweakable so no excuse to not get high FSB anymore, other then mobo or CPU. and for those leary of OC'n good RAM, or for mobos not capable, just use underclocked and take great advantage of thje tighter timings. The PC2-8500 Crucial Ballistics can tune down to DDR800 @ 3-3-3-8.
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27. January 2008 @ 07:08 |
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27. January 2008 @ 09:17 |
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Originally posted by NuckNFuts:
But for those buying new recently, PC2-8500 is so afordable and very tweakable so no excuse to not get high FSB anymore, other then mobo or CPU. and for those leary of OC'n good RAM, or for mobos not capable, just use underclocked and take great advantage of thje tighter timings. The PC2-8500 Crucial Ballistics can tune down to DDR800 @ 3-3-3-8.
I should have quoted the entire post but this part interested me more and really pertains to my situation. lol. I have Crucial Ballistix Tracers (PC2-8500) RAM and they seem pretty good BUT I don't know exactly what I'm doing and as a couple of my friends on here know this is basically the first serious OC that I've done. :D
I can't get my computer past 3.78GHz.
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E6850
Gigabyte GA-P35-DS3P
RAM as stated above
CM-850 P/S
320GB SATA Seagates (X3)
8400GS GPU (waiting for new 3600 Series from ATi, maybe even a HD3850 if I can sell some more golf stuff....lol)
5 ODD's
Anyway there's the gist of the system. ;)
This is the OC'in thread and I need help in more than one way but pushing this to about 4GHz on air is my goal. I really just want to run it at about 3.8GHz stable most of the time but you know us extremers. lol. Well one of my friends has me thinking that way anyway. hehehe. :P
Some advice on this situation would be great and if PM's are more appropriate then that's fine with me.
Thanks to those that have helped so far.... :D
.....gm
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Figured that I would rather have GHz en lue of MHz. rofl.... ;D
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27. January 2008 @ 20:30 |
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@ greensman,
The E6850 is good for over 4.1GHz but not much rom for bandwidth if doing it on highest multi. I found it best on the 8x for 500x8 on the P35C-DS3R and my X38 ASUS. I'm not sure how much higher the Gigabyte can go in terms of FSB but I got it stable to 515 easy on the 8x for 4.1GHz.
For the RAM, this mobo and many X38 and other P35's are picky with updividers so stick with 1:1 and up the FSB as much as you can to get the CPU at or near it's 4GHz mark. I found this a butter zone for that CPU. Maybe some other Gigabyte usrs will confirm if the RAM slots for wich we utilize matter for the RAM spd over 1000 like on ASUS (placing RAM in 2nd slots is required for >1066).
@ marsey99, Overclocking with more then 2GBs of RAM is not gonna' benifit the OC but mostly the apps that need more of it. But overall speed will take a hit this way, so I'd only go over 3GBs if you run apps that truely need it or your OC will be limited. This kind of RAM populating puts a tole (more stress) on the mobo MCH and chipset and takes from your OC performance profile.
It's OK to use the 2x1gb for MAX OC test to say you did it, then put the rest in and relax OC profile for daily use if you need the RAM. I will say that dispite the read/write score drop, I was impressed to see the 4x2gb OCZ OC to DDR1000 on the X38. They did need to be relaxed to 5-5-5-18 to work together. I was able to get XP x64 to use all 8gbs but RAM bench scores were less then if I let XP use 7.37gb with memory remap enabled. It also apeared that SLI and audio ran better like this (ASUS CROSSHAIR on nV590).
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