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10. May 2008 @ 10:29 |
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Are you sure if i buy ASUS P4P800 i wouldn't need to change anything i have in my pc right now(like ram,hard drive,video card(i will change it but later) cpu(im going to change it too but after a while) and will it work on my pC?
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10. May 2008 @ 11:12 |
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Yes it will but you will need to either reinstall the OS or do a repair on it.
If your going to do a new build later why not save this $$ and put it towards the new build? Also if you want to play PS so much get it for a console if you have one. Its out on the PS2, Xbox 360, PS3, Wii.
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10. May 2008 @ 12:40 |
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I have an ps2 in summer im thinking to modify it to play back up games.
Bye the way what is OS (operating system?) ?
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10. May 2008 @ 12:49 |
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Windows, Mac OS or Linux, essentially. If you want the technical detail I'll give it to you.
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10. May 2008 @ 14:28 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by im1992:
Originally posted by sammorris:
Writing center probably gets a higher budget, sadly.
because writing is very important!
*cough* NOT *cough*
Lol! Thats what I say, You can't have a teacher teaching you programing at home but you CAN use the computers at home to type up stuff!
exactly, but unfortunately, the staff at school will probably have no idea what the diff. is between a Core 2 and a Pentium 4
Most ppl @ school have never heard of Core 2 and think that Pentium 4 is better than anything..... cause the "Pentium" has been around for a long time, maybe after four/five yrs, they will think the same of the Core 2 and by that time, ppl like us will be using Core 3 Octos' (Nehalem)...
I was born naked, wet, and hungry. Then things got worse.
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10. May 2008 @ 14:29 |
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Well do they? Intel seemed to introduce the Core 2 trademark to shed all the nasties about the association between Pentium and slow and AMD and fast. They later brought back the Pentium name as a lower end version of a core 2.
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10. May 2008 @ 15:43 |
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Originally posted by sleepy_92:
I have an ps2 in summer im thinking to modify it to play back up games.
Bye the way what is OS (operating system?) ?
Just buy the game for PS2 then, you'll probably end up spending less anyways rather than upgrading your PC so you can run NFS PS
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10. May 2008 @ 16:12 |
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Indeed. I prefer racing games with a pad anyway.
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10. May 2008 @ 16:29 |
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sammorris,
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Well do they? Intel seemed to introduce the Core 2 trademark to shed all the nasties about the association between Pentium and slow and AMD and fast. They later brought back the Pentium name as a lower end version of a core 2.
I've been watching with a certain amount of amusement as a lot of people bash the AMDs as being complete rubbish. To begin with AMDs still do more work in less clock cycles than the Intels, and it's going to be that way until Intel moves their memory controller to the chip instead of the NB! Then maybe we'll have less heat problems as the NB can be moved to a better location on the MB, away from the CPU. The AMDs are not quite the "Slugs" people like Abuzar (sorry Boozer, I had to pick on someone! LOL!!) make them out to be, and they shouldn't be dismissed as such, as they are far from slow and still far better than any Pentium or Pentium D. The 64x2 4800+ I put in the AMD was pretty darn fast at 24,500 MIPS stock, and a better performer than the numbers would indicate. They just don't overclock as good as the C2Ds. Let me put it this way, If I had an AMD AM2 based Sempron that could be upgraded to a 64x2, I sure wouldn't throw it away. Spend $100 to $150 bucks or so on anything from a Windsor 5000+ to a Windsor 6400+ and you can walk away with a very nice game machine for cheap. You could even spend even less money for a Brisbane core and still have something more than adequate to do the job, although the lack of L2 cache on the Brisbane's does hurt a bit! That's why I bought the eMachine after looking it over carefully to see what was in it, for $80, and I'm still making money off of all the old parts from the D-940 so I actually made more money than I spent! ROFLMAO! So far I've made over $200 above what it all cost me and have a warranty until 07/09! LOL!! Not a bad deal if you can get it! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. May 2008 @ 16:52 |
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Originally posted by theonejrs:
To begin with AMDs still do more work in less clock cycles than the Intels, and it's going to be that way until Intel moves their memory controller to the chip instead of the NB!
Umm, seems to me that Intels do more work in less clock cycles. The 3800+ X2 is 2Ghz while the E6300 is 1.83Ghz. Here is an example of what performs better. You can check out more benchmarks here:
http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,2203597,00.asp
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10. May 2008 @ 17:21 |
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Ah, back to AMD vs Intel. Love these debates!
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10. May 2008 @ 18:07 |
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What debate? If you want an absurdly cheap CPU get an AMD, if you're willing to pay any more than 50 dollars, you get an Intel chip. That's about all there is to it.
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10. May 2008 @ 18:10 |
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ABUZAR1,
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Umm, seems to me that Intels do more work in less clock cycles. The 3800+ X2 is 2Ghz while the E6300 is 1.83Ghz. Here is an example of what performs better. You can check out more benchmarks here:
I'm not talking about FPS or benchmarks. Memory bandwidth, GPU and video memory have more to do with how high your FPS are than the CPU at a given speed. I was able to raise my 3DMark06 score from 2800+ to 4000 just by fattening up the memory bandwidth to 8200+MB/s at virtually the same MIPS! Sam commented that 4000 was a surprising score for my 7600GT! If you can fatten the memory bandwidth with the processor running the same MIPS, then you can increase your FPS at the same amount of MIPS. The memory pipelines are much shorter on the AMD so effectively, in the real world will do more work in less clock cycles as the delay is shorter in both read from and write to memory operations. That doesn't imply that they are faster, just faster than the synthetic benchmarks indicate they should be on a comparative basis, as it's just a more efficient way of doing things! The gap between the two technologies is wide, but not as wide as the synthetic numbers would indicate!
I may even buy an AMD Socket AM2 64x2 Windsor 5200+ for the AMD to take advantage of the 100% more L2 cache and use the 64x2 Brisbane 4800+ for an office machine. Russell wants to get AOE-III, so with the 5200+ and a decent but reasonably priced video card, it should work pretty good.
Remember I have the advantage of having both platforms here in the house to fool around with, so all comparisons are based on real world use. I have been very impressed with the performance of the AMD. It's much better than I had been led to believe, and far better than I had expected.
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What debate? If you want an absurdly cheap CPU get an AMD, if you're willing to pay any more than 50 dollars, you get an Intel chip. That's about all there is to it.
Sam,
I agree, there is no debate, it's just that comparing game performance to everything else you do with a computer to relate to it's overall performance is the wrong way to look at it. I never said the AMD was faster, only that in real world use it's better than I expected in real world use. Also, that $50 limit needs to be qualified. If you already have everything and have an AMD AM2 rig, then spending the $100 or so for the 5200+ Windsor is certainly worth it. If you are starting from scratch, the C2D is the way to go. You can't even build a the cheapest C2D for that money!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. May 2008 @ 18:21 |
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The AMD architecture remains the more intelligent design, unquestionably, but the lack of development to it (let's face it, the new 6400+es aren't exactly much different to the old X2s which weren't vastly different from the old A64s) has hurt its comparative performance.
With regard to Age of Empires 3, remember not to max the detail! It's one of those games that doesn't run that badly on midrange gear, but if you turn up the settings, it struggles even on top end machines.
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10. May 2008 @ 18:22 |
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sammorris,
See my edit above!
Russ
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10. May 2008 @ 18:25 |
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Agreed, there's no sense changing platform if you already have all the gear needed except for the CPU. That probably would have stood for the Pentium D and Athlon X2 back in those days as well.
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10. May 2008 @ 18:45 |
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i miss that thread :.(
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10. May 2008 @ 18:51 |
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marsey99,
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i miss that thread :.(
Me Too! Far too much emphasis on gaming and video performance here today and far less on the overall performance of the computer! LOL!!
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Russ
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10. May 2008 @ 19:33 |
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All it was was a bitchfest. I don't miss in the slightest, and neither do the moderators I'm willing to bet.
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10. May 2008 @ 19:35 |
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& we like to keep it like that.
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10. May 2008 @ 20:25 |
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Originally posted by sleepy_92:
Are you sure if i buy ASUS P4P800 i wouldn't need to change anything i have in my pc right now(like ram,hard drive,video card(i will change it but later) cpu(im going to change it too but after a while) and will it work on my pC?
YES, all your old stuff right down to the PSU will be fine. You get big feature like Gigabit LAN, Hyper Path, (the !865PE Sprindale version of !875P Canrterwoods PAT)PRB (Prescott multiplier unlock to 14x and wide range up/down for Extreme cores),ICH5R & Promise TX2 SATA+PATA multi RAID 0/1/0+1, 4x/8x AGP (1.5v only), DDR2100 to DDR600 (DDR500 above through overclocking). FSB 100-400 w/ 300 easy w/ good CPU/RAM, onboard Firewire, USB 2.0, integrated Alco 5.1 audio codec. This is speaking of the base model, There is an X, SE, VM, and the top of the line -E Deluxe, almost as god as the P4C800-E Deluxe it was binned from only lacking true Intel CSA Gigabit LAN & ECC RAM support. It really is the best bacng for th dollar if you will not upgrade for a stretch of time. You'll spend more on a new game then you may for this used mobo.
Does this help a little?
Sony PSP/PS3,
ASUS RAMPAGE II EXTREME(X58) w/ i7 930 DO @ 4.305GHz (205x21 @ 1.323v) 2:8 DDR1680 @ 6-6-6-18
ASUS RAMPAGE EXTREME (X48) w/ Q6600 @ 3.81GHz, 422x9 @ DDR1680 6-7-6-20 @ 1.71v
ASUS CROSSHAIR w/ x2 6400+
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10. May 2008 @ 20:27 |
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sry its taken me nearly 5 mins to stop laughing, yea it was abit of a flame fest but it was also a very good place to compare how well each did and their relative strgths and weakness'
it was about this time in 06 i think and i remmeber sombody being an ardent amd fan who was never going to have another intel, it wont be long and youll have a nvidia card too eh sam :P (come to the dark side we have cookies :D)
the main problem i saw with that thread was people got to personal about it (that being they took it as an attack on them,not the people who made the pc componants) and that was the problem.
right back to topic, overclocking.....
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10. May 2008 @ 20:43 |
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Sorry what?
you have to remember back in 06 I thought hypertransport and hyperthreading were the same thing...
Boy have I learnt a lot in the past two years.
To be quite honest, moving to nvidia will require money, even if I get some back from selling one or both 3870s. Right now, paling though it is compared to some, I'm in a pretty nasty financial crisis, and can't justify spending another penny on my PC for quite some time. (What happens if you max all three of your overdrafts and then discover you're not exempt from council tax after all? Yup). Given that catalyst 8.4 has made crossfire slightly less bunk, I think I may be keeping these cards for quite some time. If they still work by then of course.
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10. May 2008 @ 22:03 |
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marsey99,
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the main problem i saw with that thread was people got to personal about it (that being they took it as an attack on them,not the people who made the pc componants) and that was the problem.
LOL!! If you made a claim without backing it up it was like all the wolves showed up at the same time! ROFL!! They were ready to tear you apart and carve you a new one, right next to the old! LOL!!
Different forum but same thread, but do you remember the hoopla over the temps on my 965P/E4300. Proof wasn't asked for, it was demanded! When I did all that was asked and submitted the pic, I didn't think and deleted the DVDRB screen to make the pic a bit smaller, and had to do it all over again! LOL!! After I did it all again and submitted the pics, I never heard another word about my low temps after that! ROFLMAO!! Great bunch of folks though! Like you say, I do miss it! Nothing like fierce friendly competition! LOL!!
Best Regards,
Russ
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10. May 2008 @ 22:11 |
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It does get a bit silly sometimes, but I suppose if someone posts something surprising, it doesn't get accepted at the drop of a hat. Sometimes I think some people take it too far though, and they know who they are.
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