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I STILL can't get my backup discs working
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ppills
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31. January 2006 @ 12:19 |
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Sorry I just had to make a new thread for this. The other thread was originally a different question anyway and it was probably confusing as hell to people trying to read it through.
Anyway, I've been at this a little more than a month already and still can't get any of the backup discs to play. I have a slim ps2 V12, and Swap Magic 3.6+. My burner is a NEC ND-3520A, firmware version 3.06 (Pretty sure this is the latest version, and enough to actually matter) My PS2 is in mint condition and only got this about a year ago or less. It works perfectly fine with my original PS2 and PSX games, and has never given me any other problem.
Here's what I do. I power on my PS2 with SwapMagic DVD (or CD) version in, I wait for the main menu of SM to come up (Load Program, Video Mode, etc), I press eject button on my PS2 and while the tray is open, I get the "Insert Bigger TOC disc" message. I've heard TOC refreshing won't work on Slim PS2's, I've tried it anyway with 5 different original DVD games, it didn't work. I've also gone the way of ignoring the "Insert bigger TOC disc" message and just tried to put my burned backup DVD game instead, as normal. Here now, I close the tray, I press X to normal boot the game, and i've also tried pressing [] for special boot. Neither works. I just get the "Not a Valid PS2 Disk" error no matter what.
I've pretty much gone through Paddymail's excellent checklist thread, and checked off everything that I have or have tried. I've tried 2 batches of Taiyo Yuden media from Newegg and Supermediastore. I returned the SMS batch of TY media because I was getting bad results with NERO CD-DVD Speed. This batch from Newegg is acceptable though.
I've used DVD Decrypter to burn the ISO games, and also created an MDS file and tried to select those too when burning. I burn at 4x and lower on my 8x media, and 2x on my 4x (bad batch of) media.
In Alcohol 120%, I just burned at 2.4x speed, trying both the MDS file and ISO file here as well.
Just so you know, i've tried about 8 different 'downloaded' games, and also 1 game that I ripped myself (MGS Snake Eater), and tried to burn that too with DVD Decrypter but it didn't work (It's only 4.2 GB).
That's pretty much everything I've tried and done so far but nothing has given me working results. If there's anything I left out or you would like to know concerning this issue, just ask.
EDIT: I forgot to mention I have a fliptop installed.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 31. January 2006 @ 13:02
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31. January 2006 @ 12:46 |
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I press eject button on my PS2 and while the tray is open, I get the "Insert Bigger TOC disc" message.
The ps2 cant know you opened it when you put in your burnt game. Do you have any of the tools (magic switch, magic keys, slim tool, etc)?
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ppills
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31. January 2006 @ 12:54 |
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The ps2 cant know you opened it when you put in your burnt game. Do you have any of the tools (magic switch, magic keys, slim tool, etc)?
I have a flip top that's about it... It's an alternative to using a magic switch, magic key, or slide tool, right?
So you are saying I shouldn't be getting the 'insert bigger toc disc' message? My flip top was fairly easy to install and i'm sure I had installed it right, but now you've gotten me thinking differently.
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31. January 2006 @ 13:23 |
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so are you lifting up your fliptop portion, or still using the eject button. Yes, if your getting the toc refresh message, the ps2 knows its being opened. Try putting a little pressure on the back of your fliptop when you open it (ive read this sometimes works).
V9 PS2, flip top, SMD, DVDLoader
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ppills
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31. January 2006 @ 13:35 |
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Ok i'm a complete moron and feel like slapping myself right now! All this time I was pressing the eject button and it says insert bigger toc disc. I figured this out when I was looking at the pictures in the flip top installation guide. I noticed the pictured showed only the circular portion of the flip top coming up, but not the whole thing! So yes, I was opening the top and it was knowing that I did.
But yeah all my backups i've burned work now! I was going to throw them all 15 or so backups away when I was waiting for my new batch. Thank god I didn't. :)
Do you know if i'm supposed to use the eject button to take out (or switch)the game, or do I just force open the 'circular' part of the flip top? It seems like it's not supposed to be forced open. I think I may have messed up on step #8 on the guide.
here's the guide I had followed: http://www.modchip.com/installpics/v12fliptop/v12fliptop.pdf
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31. January 2006 @ 15:24 |
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yeah, you just force up the circular part. If you use the eject button, the ps2 rechecks the security stuff, which is why you were getting invalid disc.
V9 PS2, flip top, SMD, DVDLoader
Pioneer 107, ritek g05
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ppills
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31. January 2006 @ 16:16 |
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All right and one more question, does the top have to be closed in order for the disc to be loaded, or can I just leave it open?
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Trinijoy
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31. January 2006 @ 18:40 |
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I just use the duct tape method, and not use the flip top
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ppills
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31. January 2006 @ 19:14 |
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Ok, so? Was that a post just to get your post count up? As you can see above, i've already figured out what was wrong. :)
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31. January 2006 @ 19:35 |
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See it wasn't the TY's. You didn't mention the thing about the eject button it the other threads. God job Sly, way to pay attention.
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ppills
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31. January 2006 @ 19:51 |
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I blame the fliptop being OEM and not coming with any sort of documentation and/or images with it. Instead I was left to rely on what info I could find on the internet.
But yeah, either way it was very careless of me to not look at the damn flip top a little bit more closely. :)
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31. January 2006 @ 19:54 |
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No biggy. Glad you got it sorted out. I had a flip top that was manufactured by circus monkeys as well, it was all crooked and made my disc tray horribly off center. Cheers!
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1. February 2006 @ 01:09 |
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Yeah, glad you got it sorted out in the end what was wrong... I told you it was something simple being missed didn't I. After numerous posts and checking DMA and updating firmware, blaming TY discs as fakes, even changing windows??? and it was that you didn't know how to use the fliptop properly... this just proves what I've always said.. "people need to research something properly BEFORE trying to make backups" - not having a pop at you ppills, just saying how it could have been so much easier for a lot of people if they'd done a bit of research.
Glad you got it worked out buddy :)
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panchdara
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1. February 2006 @ 02:20 |
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Even though I use DMS 4... I learnt a lot from this discussion. I think this should be made into a quick guide. Very informative thread indeed. (Maybe a t-shirt too?)
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branmaz77
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9. February 2006 @ 16:38 |
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ppills, sly and Tokijin, I'm having the exact problem, verbatim, except I have the fliptop version for a v1-v3.
Unless I assembled the flip top cover incorrectly, there is not method of ejecting by opening the flip top and putting pressure on the back. Once the flip top cover is open with these versions, all you have is the disc on the spindle.
The game I burned using the DVD Decrypter walkthru which was extremely easy and handy, was a 3.9 GB game (NBA 2k6).
I don't see this game listed as problematic at the swapmagic site (I use 3.6).
I boot SW to the Load Program, note that Load Program blinks when it appears to be in a ready state, and while trying to boot a backup, it no longer blinks, I bring this up only because I have not seen anyone mention this as of yet.
I open the flip top, use my hand to remove the sm dvd disc, and then I place in the backup. I then hit X, and after a minute or 2, I get 'Not a Valid PS2 Disc'
The media I used was in the 2nd tier, Optodisc -R, and I burned at 2x.
If this is the problem, I'll grab some dvd-r's from the 'top shelf' tier.
Extremely frustrated, please advise.
Thanks,
bran
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9. February 2006 @ 16:45 |
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The media I used was in the 2nd tier, Optodisc -R, and I burned at 2x.
If this is the problem, I'll grab some dvd-r's from the 'top shelf' tier.
This is probably your problem. Sounds like your doing everything correctly. Get better media, and if it still gives you problems, try a different game.
V9 PS2, flip top, SMD, DVDLoader
Pioneer 107, ritek g05
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9. February 2006 @ 16:51 |
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Yep. Once again Sly hits the nail right on the head. That link is a little outdated. Optodisc is more or less crap. Along with TDK. That link has TDK MIJ rated as top tier media, which it's not. Get some Taiyo Yuden's or Verbatim's.
86. Q. Where can I find good deals on legit Taiyo Yuden's and Verbatim's?
A. http://www.supermediastore.com
Great List of Merchants locally, online, in the U.K., etc:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/buyerguides/buymedia.htm
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9. February 2006 @ 17:36 |
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@Tokijin You are sadly mistaken about these TDK 8XDVD+R. These code out as Taiyo Yudens. Have had no problems at all and was a fool for not buying 5 stacks of 100 when I saw them on sale $16.99 at BBuy. Here's the scan:
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Unique Disc Identifier : [DVD+R:YUDEN000-T02-000]
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Disc & Book Type : [DVD+R] - [DVD+R]
Manufacturer Name : [Taiyo Yuden Co. Ltd.]
Manufacturer ID : [YUDEN000]
Media Type ID : [T02]
Product Revision : [Not Specified]
Blank Disc Capacity : [2,295,104 Sectors = 4.70 GB (4.38 GiB)]
Recording Speeds : [1x-2.4x , 4x , 6x-8x]
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[ DVD Identifier V4.2.0 - http://DVD.Identifier.CDfreaks.com ]
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9. February 2006 @ 17:52 |
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You are sadly mistaken about these TDK 8XDVD+R
I wasn't referring to TY TDK's, I wasn't even aware of TDK made TY's. I was referring to TDK's made in Taiwan/Japan with the TDK, TTG0x, TTH0x media code. Those are overrated. I've talked to plenty of people who've had issues with those. Of course those are good, there TY's. :)
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tank21
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9. February 2006 @ 22:58 |
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yes please help i'm totally lost i have a v10 ps2 with a dms4 pro ezi solderless mod chip and i get something about please insert a ps2 or ps formatted disk. any advice is very much welcomed. i tried to back up a couple of my games ex(gta:sa,need 4 speed:underground)and i get the rsod if anything. but for the last few months i'v read that some chips have to be flashed. could that be the case with this dms4 pro chip? if so ive tried that too but with no sussess. when i make the back ups i use imation DVD+R disks? also the back up looks right but again they dont work. is there a way or something that i can use or do to narrow down the source of the problem. please help.
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9. February 2006 @ 23:53 |
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Well where to start? First Imation's are some of the worst media around, get some Taiyo Yuden's or Verbatim's. Second, you need to flash the DMS 4 EZI Pro with Toxic OS in order to get it to play backups and imports.
86. Q. Where can I find good deals on legit Taiyo Yuden's and Verbatim's?
A. http://www.supermediastore.com
Great List of Merchants locally, online, in the U.K., etc:
http://www.digitalfaq.com/dvdguides/buyerguides/buymedia.htm
104. Q. I can't get my DMS 4 Pro , to boot backups/imports, what's going on?
A. You need to flash the chip with the latest firmware to boot backups and imports.
DMS 4 Pro SE: http://www.savefile.com/files.php?fid=3138141
Use Alcohol 120% to burn the firmware to CD-R.
Alcohol 120%: http://www.free-downloads.net/programs/Alcohol_120_
Burn the Firmware to CD-R with these instructions:
1. Unzip the firmware.
2. Insert your blank disc.
3. Open Alcohol 120%.
4. Go to File-->Open and browse to the cue file. Double click it.
5. Once it's open under Alcohol 120%, right click the cue file and click image burning wizard.
6. Select your recorder, leave the write method alone, set the write speed to 4x, set the datatype to PS2, and click next.
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tank21
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10. February 2006 @ 00:09 |
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thanks for the help ill try that i have a lot of work ahead but you made it alot eazier. thanks
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10. February 2006 @ 01:08 |
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Tokijin
I use Nero myself it has never made a coster unless the image was bad!
I always burn at 4X
I built a V9 PS2 that could run RW discs :3 to bad the mobo died and the 2 I got dont work >< I wound up gettign a Vr7 it runs great and palys -/+Rs great ^^ I need to get that DSM soderless pro for it *L*
Trinijoy
I ahve a few PS2 magnet disc holders so I can run with or with out the top open.
tank21
I have a flip top 2,I love it :3
I need to get that kind of mod chip you have :3
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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10. February 2006 @ 01:36 |
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Well your Mobo probably died because you were using DVD+/-RW's lol. It's not so much the PS2 can't read them (v.1-3 PS2's can't), they're terrible for the PS2 laser. The PS2 laser has to strain to read them. Don't bother with the DMS 4 EZI Pro. It's a good chip, but a lot of people butcher their PS2 when installing it. It's about $30 more than the DMS 4 Pro SE. A lot of people end up soldering them in anyway. Pay a pro to install a DMS 4 Pro SE or Matrix Infinity. It costs about the same, and it's gaurunteed.
26. Q. I'm in the market for a modchip or premodded console. What are some reputable sites I can order from?
A. http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/251223 In addition http://www.modchip.com and http://www.norcalmods.com are supposed to be reliable. http://www.Xmodds.com is another quality mod site. If you're interested in a premod or modchip, be sure to order from one of these high quality sites.
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branmaz77
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10. February 2006 @ 04:48 |
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Sly and Tokijin.
Taiyo Yuden has many different types at supermedia store: 4x, 8x, 16x, InkJet Printable, CakeBox Spindle, Tape Wrap, Shiny Silver (For the eye-gazing during those boring moments, lol). Would it be best to get Taiyo Yuden 8X DVD-R Media Silver Thermal Lacquer 50 Pack in Cake Box Spindle DVD01X0165-050 OR Taiyo Yuden 4X DVD-R Media Silver Shiny in Tape Wrap 100 Pack - Free Ground Shipping DVD01X0238-100
Authentic Taiyo Yuden????
Thanks for the heads-up on OptoDisc no longer being rated as highly. This brings up another point that is definitely apples and oranges, but may benefit some of our other noobs, specifically a question like this:
Q: "I've burned/backed up dozens of dvd movies without a coaster with dvd media xxxx, does this mean it still may not be good enough to try at 1/2 it's rated max burn speed when attempting a backup of any of my PS2s?"
A: YES!, there is no correlation, PS2 backups need much better media to play because....(I don't know those specifics, but you guys would be able to explain the rest).
Reason I bring this up is that I've made around 25 dvd movie backups with OptoDisc, and I've had NO coasters. Food for thought that crap PS2 media doesn't necessarily mean crap dvd media, for those of us that may be attempting to do the same types of 'activities'.
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