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PacMan777
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11. October 2007 @ 06:53 |
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Thanks Lp531. That makes me feel even better about purchasing the HX620 for my personal system. According to Hardware Canucks, it's the most efficient out of the 3 tested (PC Power, Ultra, and Corsair). But like I said, they all work. I noticed the 3 were actually pretty close in performance. I like the modular cable system and the Corsair is quiet and supplies very clean and stable power. I just bought into the multiple rail hype and it's not let me down, plus the 5 year warranty doesn't hurt. The idea is to buy a good PSU whether it's a multiple rail or single rail design. I don't think I'd worry too much with any of those in a build.
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11. October 2007 @ 10:53 |
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Got to agree with you...makes me feel better about the Corsair units...I was Leary of them since this is the First P/S that they put there name on....and they are not a P/S manufacturer...
I still prefer the Single Rail over Multi Rail...It seems that they are much closer to equals then I thought...they each have some benefit to there designs...If you exclude the number of Rails...
The Corsair is quieter at full load...which is neglegable since there is No Quiet P/S under those conditions...The PCP&C unit actually runs cooler with the 80mm then the Corsair with the 120mm...So PCPP&C airflow design works better then the Corsair...
The Efficiency they said was Identical...they said the slight variation had more to do with testing methods the anything else...
The PCP&C is cheaper...The Corsair is Flashier...
They both have equal warranties of 5 years...
I will probably use a Corsair 520 in my HTCP build...The case I plan on using is designed for a single 120mm fan bottom mounted and the Modular Cables could be useful if the location of all the connectors do not interfere with the other components...
Can you buy additional cables from Corsair?..
And how do they Identify which Rail you are plugging into on the P/S?..
I did not see any labeling on the P/S...
Hey greensman...see some good info...can come from a little arguing of points..:)
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11. October 2007 @ 11:06 |
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The Corsair would be great in an HTPC because it makes absolutely no noise. The PC P&C probably wouldn't be too bad in that respect for low power usage, but at high load, it's the complete opposite of silent. The Corsair can make a full 400W before becoming noisy, that's huge.
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11. October 2007 @ 12:15 |
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Since Loco is Now a Mod...We need to talk him into a wonderful A-Open P/S...No more Corsair...No PCP&C...Maybe a nice 478 P4...No need for a Core 2 Duo...Lets Go Jetway on the M/B...theonejrs recommends them Highly...some nice PC-100...No need for more then a 128 stick...and lets not forget the benefits of on Board Graphics...(LOL)...just teasing...would never do that to you..:)...
Now that greensman character...Watch Him Closely...Could you Maybe...Ban Him...Just for Sh!ts and Giggles..:)
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11. October 2007 @ 14:58 |
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Originally posted by Lp531:
Hey greensman...see some good info...can come from a little arguing of points..:)
I really didn't mean to present that as an argument but it was close to that anyway. ;) As I stated in a previous post:Quote:
BOTH are good and have their following. I think some of us going back and forth over something like getting your gold in a BIG BAR or a BIG BAG is silly. They're both GOLD.
I think that sums it up pretty good, don't you?? I'll have to make a decision on my next build as I've already said but their will be only 3-4 P/S to choose from. :D Of course thanks to PacMan and Lp531... :D You guys are great!! I've learned quite a bit from you guys and especially the articles that were linked to for our benefit; I read every one of them. Thanks for the education and learning experience fellas!! I bet LOCO never thought that he would learn so much about P/S from his innocent little post. hehehe. :D
Originally posted by Les:
Since Loco is Now a Mod...We need to talk him into a wonderful A-Open P/S...No more Corsair...No PCP&C...Maybe a nice 478 P4...No need for a Core 2 Duo...Lets Go Jetway on the M/B...theonejrs recommends them Highly...some nice PC-100...No need for more then a 128 stick...and lets not forget the benefits of on Board Graphics...(LOL)...just teasing...would never do that to you..:)...
Now that greensman character...Watch Him Closely...Could you Maybe...Ban Him...Just for Sh!ts and Giggles..:)
LOCO,
That's all bad info if you don't know, especially the "Ban Him" thing!! NOT funny you SOGun Lp531!! I think that's a bad idea!!
....gm
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PacMan777
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11. October 2007 @ 15:19 |
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Lp531
The corsair comes with cables for each available slot. No need to buy extras. I ended up not using all the ones I have. Corsair sends along a nice black nylon storage bag with velcro seal to keep them in.
Corsair has a forum where you can ask questions. Yours was answered there as a sticky. I wondered about that one too. You're not likely to get the CPU on a rail with other heavy draw components. It's on the fixed power cables to the mobo, which takes up one rail. The attached photo to this sticky shows the outlets to each rail.
http://www.houseofhelp.com/forums/showth...bc0771b&t=52911
Even if you overload a rail, it borrows from another. But with good layout of the system, that's not likely to happen.
Rumor has it that Seasonic may be the builder of Corsair's unit. One of the reasons I trusted a Corsair PSU early in production was due to the Corsair name. Their parts are built like a tank and the PSU was racking up awards like crazy. They were following in the footsteps of OCZ and other name memory manufacturers by getting into the PSU market. I read the specs and build info and was sold. I'd been using Antec and Thermaltake units before I switched. I used an Ultra or 2 along the line. What can I say, they were cheap (on sale) and did the job.
Here's a site (PC Stats) that did an in depth review and comparison of the Corsair PSU, and included info on other brands with links. http://www.pcstats.com/articleview.cfm?articleid=2035&page=1
It shows the cables, hookups, and included parts.
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11. October 2007 @ 15:37 |
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Back in the PC thread or it could have been the OC thread...When the Corsairs first came out...there was a discussion of them and the PCP&C...Where I linked to articles that Confirmed them as Seasonics...
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11. October 2007 @ 16:00 |
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Y'all better get back on topic quick....LOL
Just kidding.
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PacMan777
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11. October 2007 @ 16:31 |
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The Corsair's 620-HX regular MSRP is lower than what Newegg claimed the PC Power originally was. Looking around for sale prices, I found the 620-HX on sale at ZipZoomFly cheaper than the PC Power 610 at Newegg. Finding that, I'd definitely spend the extra $26.91 for the extra features, including the extra 100W over the 520-HX selling at $99.99. Too bad it isn't a permanent sale, looks like now is the time to grab that one. An additional $26.91 shouldn't break anyone's bank.
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@ LOCOENG
Congrats on the demotion. LOL Now you gotta work when you log on.
We have been on topic, though we may have dwelled on the topic of PSUs a bit long. ;) We were discussing what makes for a good PSU. After looking more closely, even Lp531 concedes the Corsair's have turned out to be good. I'll concede the PC Power units deliver, though I prefer multi rail, modular cable units.
As I mentioned before, in my opinion there's no one particular PSU that is the best bang for the buck all the time. I've used a few of the major brands. Still I seem to have best results for the performance systems using Corsair. My next build will probably need more power. So, I'll probably move up to the more powerful OCZs. 620 watts would be too close to the peak power consumption and I like to build with decent headroom.
Take a look at the links I posted above for Lp531 and you'll get an idea of what makes a PSU. Not knowing the specs and build info is why PSUs are an overlooked part of PC building. I learned from people who analyzed each component because some of their builds were performance builds intended for overclocking and bench racing. To really push the envelope there's liquid cooling, refrigeration heat exchange and other exotic methods of cooling off the components. No need to go into those here.
Did you buy the Corsair HX-520? I changed my mind while checking prices. The best bang for the buck (in my opinion) is the 620-HX from ZipZoomFly. For the extra $26.91 it's worth it for the extras. Depending on how you feel about your build, if the lower output is enough, I wouldn't worry about it. If interested, I've done business with ZipZoomFly and they seem to be reliable. The sale is over on the 15th. After that it's back to comparing prices with the better PSUs on sale. There's specific online stores I check, but I'll also check with PriceGrabber and BizRate. It makes the searching easier.
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11. October 2007 @ 17:06 |
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I'm on a OCZ 700 Game Stream right now...and...I am not overly impressed with it...Picked it up for $75 last Black Friday...
I would look at the Quad 750 if your just looking for more juice...Good for over 800watts...Can be found in the $170 Range...Don't be afraid of the Single Rail...It works just Fine..:)
So...were all in agreement that the 610 or 620 for the P/S are his best choices...Gives Loco some Head Room for the Future...
So...Are we all...kind of in agreement...on the rest of the parts picked...as being a Good Compy for the money...and that Ram...might be the First thing...he might want to pick up before the Sales and Prices Go Up...
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11. October 2007 @ 17:43 |
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I think he already pulled the trigger on the RAM. LOCO didn't tell us what he got though. I'm not afraid of single rail supplies. The good ones like PC Power are usually more expensive than comparable multiple rail supplies. The 610 at Newegg is the first one I've seen priced that low. But when the prices are close, I'll still opt for the multiple rails.
The OCZs I'm looking at are the OCZ ModXStream / 780W ~ 900W /. They have the higher output and still have modular cables. It's almost like reading a Corsair ad, except they don't push the limits on some of the specs. LOL I don't expect to get it for $75. I wish Corsair would build a higher output unit that would supply more headroom for the power hungry GPUs.
I've heard reliable builders praising some of the high output OCZ supplies, but I've not needed anything that high output. I've built larger for others who wanted dual GPU systems. There I used the Thermaltake ToughPower.
http://www.thermaltake.com/product/Power...0131/w0131.asp#
Those are made for quiet, efficient performance. I was just thinking about the OCZs because they were getting a lot of praise at one point. Hype or real quality. You can give your opinion on the models mentioned for LOCO's future reference. LOL
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11. October 2007 @ 18:08 |
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@the MOD's
I think that possibly moving the last 20 or so posts to a thread dedicated to P/S might be a good idea. I've learned more the last few pages about some of the newer P/S out right now then I have on my own the last month or so. :)
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I think that docTY has used the Cooler Master 850 on a few builds in the last year or so. I know at one time he was looking at the Antec 850 as well. Also to no surprise he has looked/used a 1000W (SilverStone??) unit but for the life of me I can't remember the make or model. sorry.
Maybe Mort81 will visit and straiten me out. :) He knows more about docTY's systems than I do.
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I was just looking at the SilverStones and they show a "multi-rail" model and "single-rail" model for almost each wattage. HOW bout that fellas??
....gm
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PacMan have you looked at these?? SilverStone 750W or this one... SilverStone 850
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11. October 2007 @ 18:32 |
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Is this the one...$249.99($229.99 after $20.00 Mail-In Rebate)3 Business Day Shipping $8.68
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...Inc.-_-17341009
This would do the Job..."Search your Feelings...You Know it to be True"...in my best Darth Vader Voice..:)
PC POWER and COOLING Silencer 750 Quad (Black) S75QB Power Supply Retail ***Free Shipping*** $179.90 or you can get the Red one at newegg for the same price...It will handle anything you can throw at it...
http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDet...ctCode=10005611
Or move it to the PC Building thread...Loco's First Executive Decision...and Look mod was in all caps...A ban able Offense I believe...
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11. October 2007 @ 18:59 |
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Lp
I was thinking the 780W model for about $175. That's comparable to the PC Power you listed. I still don't like the idea of getting 2 GPUs that cost more than the rest of the PC. When I get ready to buy, I'll do more looking around. Luckily, my current PC has a bit more life left to it.
I think we're starting to bore the other members. If we add more PSU info to LOCO's build thread, we may start confusing him, if we haven't already. LOL
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PacMan777
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11. October 2007 @ 19:22 |
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http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/...ku=I69-2145%20A
Some drives, CPU cooler, and RAM and you're off to the races. I've used the Ultra case and with an added fan they're good. Not completely tool free, but they're not hard to work with. These are good for beginners and they're an unassembled kit, so you get to build everything. I've bought them for parts before. Note the E6600 processor. Makes for a faster PC than what you were thinking about. Too bad you already got the case. I wouldn't order all these parts individually for a personal build, but for an inexpensive starter set, it's a fast machine.
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12. October 2007 @ 02:53 |
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Lp: The OCZ Gamexstream units didn't seem all that wonderful to me, a fixed speed fan, and high ripple performance.
Pacman: I hear someone used a quad core with two 8800GTXs and a Corsair 620W no problem. Why would they need to make a higher rated unit?
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12. October 2007 @ 10:40 |
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I believe in one of the reviews that I linked to...they talked about a Quad & 2 GTX's and they said they would not recommend it...They felt it was to close to the Edge of Performance to be Sound...and I would agree with that Assessment...
I know...I would not use a 610 with even a Duo Core and 2 GTX cards...I would go up to the 750 Quad just to be safe...The 610 would probably work...but would not have the margin of safety that I would want...
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12. October 2007 @ 11:46 |
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Originally posted by sammorris:
Lp: The OCZ Gamexstream units didn't seem all that wonderful to me, a fixed speed fan, and high ripple performance.
Pacman: I hear someone used a quad core with two 8800GTXs and a Corsair 620W no problem. Why would they need to make a higher rated unit?
Headroom... I mentioned it before for the same reasons Lp just expressed.
On the OCZ, check the one I mentioned and not the GameXStream, there's a difference.
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12. October 2007 @ 14:14 |
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Indeed, headroom is very important, but the fact remains, a 620W unit could handle it fine.
I know you were mentioning the modxstream units which are better, but Lp mentioned he had a GameXstream and wasn't impressed. That's what I was commenting about.
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12. October 2007 @ 14:50 |
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I guess that was what confused me then. Your statement was addressed to me and I was referring to the ModXStream. If the only options were OCZ's lesser PSUs, I wouldn't buy one. Seems they tried to cover the whole marketplace with varying degrees of success.
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13. October 2007 @ 02:13 |
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Yeah, I think OCZ are improving, they have some good ideas, but their earlier efforts at PSUs weren't fantastic.
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19. November 2007 @ 00:08 |
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Hey Loco...How are you doing on the PC?..
The good sales are this week...are you ready to start buying parts for the build?..if so...I will keep an eye out for the good sales...and let you know about them...
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19. November 2007 @ 09:05 |
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Thanks for the heads up Lp, but I've put the build aside until after xmas...you know I have to get my boy his toys before I can get mine. :)
If I find anything that is too good to pass up I'll buy it but I probably won't be doing anything major until after the holidays. I really won't have to time to throw it all together until then anyway so the parts would just be laying around.
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28. November 2007 @ 13:58 |
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28. November 2007 @ 15:15 |
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