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Can I burn a Blu-Ray to a DVD?
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11. November 2008 @ 15:23 |
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Just to add to your excellent help on RipBot Sophocoles... For Blu-ray compliancy Max Buffer Size can be 30,000Kbs and Max Bitrate can be 40,000Kbs for Video.
Also, for a 1080p encode 4 Reference Frames is ok. As the resolution decreases this can go up. For example, a 720p encode can use up to 9 Reference Frames without exceeding the decoded picture buffer for Blu-ray compliancy.
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11. November 2008 @ 16:00 |
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Just to add to your excellent help on RipBot Sophocoles... For Blu-ray compliancy Max Buffer Size can be 30,000Kbs and Max Bitrate can be 40,000Kbs for Video.
This is quite true and is recommended for those using HTPC units for playback (I'm one,) but home BD players have difficulty playing single and dual layer discs beyond 2X to 3X which could cause issues with very high bitrate re-encodes. The lower buffer and bitrate size compensates for that difference in playback speed without effecting visual quality. By lowering buffer size and bitrate we increase home unit compatibility. Most BD movies are encoded with a much higher bitrate than is required to achieve results. If one is recording to BD media then of course this is not an issue. There are some who think that a buffer size and bitrate of 15000 Kbs and they could be right but 17,500 works for me and it just happened to be in my screenshot.:D
Not having tried every home unit available there might be some that will do well with high bitrates.
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11. November 2008 @ 22:15 |
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Sophocles,
Thank you for the help & screenshots. I have several questions but I should be set after this I hope. As far as "locking size", is that GB per hour/video or for the total file size? I've read that with CQ the file will turn out a little bigger, ~5%. CRF 22 is the default (apparently the lower the CRF# the better the quality so I wonder if the max quality, 18, is overdoing it and if at 22 there is already no loss in quality and 18 is just making a bigger file. I'm going to be playing back hopefully bd-r on a PS3.
If I recode two files separately (a feature & one smaller "extra") can I put them both on on bd-r and they'll play one to the next like DVD-R's I make with DVD-Shrink? I guess there's no way to save the menu (?).
So if I'm understanding correctly, tsmuxer is just for stripping unwanted audio files and the like off and this RipBot step is necessary to get a file that I can burn which is readable by a console blu-ray player? I can't just burn an m2ts file to a bd-r and play it in a PS3 right?
Under profile I only have "4.0 Blu-ray Console" available where you have 4.1, why is that? Unless I'm mistaken I think you have a different version of Ripbot for two reasons: I can't find a "Codec Settings" screen but there is an "Encoder Settings" screen found by clicking "...profile" which looks the same as yours, and on that screen which is nearly identical to yours I have a check box at the top for "deblocking strength" and am missing some check boxes you have down below. My default buffer size and max bitrate is 20,000. There under "subpixel refinement" you have your set to "6 - RDO", I don't have that exact choice and the default is "7 RD on all frames" (leave it? I'm guess that's Ok. Alternatively, I do have the "6 RD on IP frames" choice. You have "B pyramid" checked and my default is unchecked. Is that just a result of my source file or should I have that checked too?
It's strange that the third selection of "save as" which is blu-ray isn't labeled on the RipBot interface. RipBot could be a little easier on the eyes to read the progress at the bottom. I have to strain to read it. But it's free so, thank you to the programmers.
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12. November 2008 @ 02:54 |
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Sophocles, very good point. I have found some stand alone BD players are fine with these BD-5/BD-9 discs, while others are not.
Actually there is someone having stutter trouble in another thread. I will recommend lowering buffer and max bitrate and see if this helps.
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12. November 2008 @ 05:25 |
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wtf, I did a blu-ray Ripbot at CQ CFG 18 and the result was a 6.5GB file recode from a 21 GB original. There is no way the quality is comparable. I don't get it. -N
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12. November 2008 @ 07:20 |
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Originally posted by ntblood:
wtf, I did a blu-ray Ripbot at CQ CFG 18 and the result was a 6.5GB file recode from a 21 GB original. There is no way the quality is comparable. I don't get it. -N
What part don't you get?
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ntblood
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12. November 2008 @ 07:32 |
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I'm looking to make a blu-ray disk of the feature movie that is the same quality as the originals. Ripped with AnyDVD HD. CFG is higher quality the lower the #, I used 18 which is the lowest possible. 2-pass from what I understand is used for compressing which I'm not looking to do. I understand that recoding with CQ is supposed to make the resultant file a little bigger than the original. Clearly that didn't happen. My 20GB file recoded to 6.5GB. So that makes me think that my recoded file is much lower quality than the original I would think.
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Use one pass quality based encoding (at the bottom of the drop down list). Set the CRF to 18. Lower values will give a larger file, higher values a smaller file of lower quality.
Set the max bitrate to 40000. I've tested this and the PS3 has no problems playing back the file. The PS3 display actually showed a peak bitrate of 51Mb/s and didn't stutter.
B-Pyramid can be enabled, tsMuxer detects that it is present and produces a stream which the PS3 plays fine.
Cheers, Beastie.
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ntblood
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12. November 2008 @ 13:12 |
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I see the output when selecting "blu-ray" is still an M2TS file, the same type as the original. So can't you just burn the original file to a BD-R disk and skip recoding all together?
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12. November 2008 @ 17:23 |
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Before you trash the movie check it visually for quality. I generally compress most 2 hour or less movies to a single layer disc which is a little more than 4 Gigabytes in 1080P and they look great. If you don't want to burn it to test it then use imgburn to convert it to ISO and then mount it with an application such Daemon tools and play it back on your PC. Experiment a bit, you just might be surprised.
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12. November 2008 @ 17:30 |
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Originally posted by ntblood:
I'm looking to make a blu-ray disk of the feature movie that is the same quality as the originals. Ripped with AnyDVD HD. CFG is higher quality the lower the #, I used 18 which is the lowest possible. 2-pass from what I understand is used for compressing which I'm not looking to do. I understand that recoding with CQ is supposed to make the resultant file a little bigger than the original. Clearly that didn't happen. My 20GB file recoded to 6.5GB. So that makes me think that my recoded file is much lower quality than the original I would think.
I think you might be misunderstanding some terminology a little. Any form of re-encoding the video is recompressing. H264 is a lossy codec, meaning that some information is thrown out in order to compress the file size. The original Blu-ray was compressed as will your recode be. If you were to have an uncompressed 1080p video, you would have something that would be hundreds of gigabytes.
If you would like to retain as much quality as possible, then a two pass encode with optimal/slow x264 settings would be required. I personally wouldn't use a single layer DVD for a 1080p encode as Sophocles does. For me, that uses too much compression and I am not satisfied with the quality. However, we are all different and you will need to experiment and decide for yourself. I usually use a DVD-9 (double layer) for a 1080p encode and a DVD-5 (single layer) for a 720p encode. If the movie is 3 hours+, then I may use two DVD-9's for 1080p.
Originally posted by ntblood:
I see the output when selecting "blu-ray" is still an M2TS file, the same type as the original. So can't you just burn the original file to a BD-R disk and skip recoding all together?
Yes, of course you can do that. You can use tsMuxeR to re-mux the main movie with a single audio track etc. so that it can fit on a BD-25. Maybe you should reiterate what it is you would like to achieve so that Sophocles or myself can help you more accurately.
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12. November 2008 @ 20:58 |
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Thanks Ryu. H264 codec, what uses that, is it what RipBot uses? I see x264 in the tools folder of RipBot. I have a 61" TV and want to get the best quality. I downloaded MeGUI with x264 and when I open the GUI I don't see how you import the file you want to recode.
Well, I want to write to a BD-R. After ripping the disk the movie/feature m2ts is 20GB. So you say recoding is not necessary. Burning that directly would be the best quality right? And if I don't care about getting the audio down to only one track can I skip the tsmuxer as well and go straight to ImgBurn? The audio is in the m2ts file so the I am judging the size to fit on the disk is correct, right? I'd like to add one extra content m2ts video on the bd-r and the total of the two m2ts files is less than 24 GB.
On a different topic: Is there a way to keep the menu or is that complicated?
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13. November 2008 @ 06:15 |
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Originally posted by ntblood:
Thanks Ryu. H264 codec, what uses that, is it what RipBot uses? I see x264 in the tools folder of RipBot. I have a 61" TV and want to get the best quality. I downloaded MeGUI with x264 and when I open the GUI I don't see how you import the file you want to recode.
H264 is one of the three codecs that are supported within the Blu-ray standard. The other two are VC-1 and MPEG2. MPEG2 is an older codec and nowhere near as efficient as H264 and VC-1. VC-1 is heavily guarded with Microsoft licensing and as such is not as widely supported. So this leaves us with H264 as the codec of choice for re-encoding for Blu-ray. MeGUI needs AVIsynth to frameserve video. This is my personal choice for encoding as it offers far more control over the x264 codec compared to RipBot264. If you would like to learn more about advanced Blu-ray/H264 encoding visit the links in my signature.
Originally posted by ntblood:
Well, I want to write to a BD-R. After ripping the disk the movie/feature m2ts is 20GB. So you say recoding is not necessary. Burning that directly would be the best quality right? And if I don't care about getting the audio down to only one track can I skip the tsmuxer as well and go straight to ImgBurn? The audio is in the m2ts file so the I am judging the size to fit on the disk is correct, right? I'd like to add one extra content m2ts video on the bd-r and the total of the two m2ts files is less than 24 GB.
On a different topic: Is there a way to keep the menu or is that complicated?
You need tsMuxeR to re-author your single M2TS file into a correct Blu-ray disc structure. You can not simply burn the 20GB M2TS fils as is. It will need to be re-muxed so that the various information files included in the Blu-ray structure folders contain the correct information. At this point there is no freeware option that I am aware of that will allow you to include menus. Also multiple titles is not possible with tsMuxeR. If you want to achieve things like this you will need to use commercial software like Sonic Scenarist or Adobe Premiere Pro etc.
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26. November 2008 @ 17:46 |
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Originally posted by sasha717:
Ryu77, you had said in an earlier reply to WEB11 that "If you would like to create a standard DVD from a Blu-ray disc there are better methods than the steps you listed. I will happily assist if needed, just let me know. :-)". I would like to know how to do this. I have AnyDVD HD and can rip Blu-ray discs, but have yet to figure out how to create a standard dvd that I can play in my other laptop that doesn't have a blu-ray disc reader in it. I currently use either DVD Decrypter or DVDFab to rip regular DVDs and Nero Recode to make my backups.
Thanks, sasha717
Ryu77,
I am also interested in converting a blue ray movie to a standard dvd. I have a ps3 with linux on it and was going to create an iso of the bd movie and transfer it to my pc with anydvd and clone dvd on it.
Thanks in advance.
Dean
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27. November 2008 @ 11:04 |
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27. November 2008 @ 17:50 |
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WEB11, sasha717 & deanb1234...
I just want to clarify... You want to convert a Blu-ray disc to a standard DVD Video Disc? Not Blu-ray to AVCHD (mini Blu-ray disc using DVD media)?
I am also assuming that all of you are from a NTSC video region (unlike myself who lives in Australia, therefore uses PAL)?
Ok, here are the steps. If further clarification is needed, please let me know which step/s you require more assistance with.
1) Rip Blu-ray disc with AnyDVD HD.
2) Locate the main movie file which is usually the largest M2TS file in folder BDMV/STREAM/. Then demux audio (choose highest quality possible, ie: PCM, TrueHD, DTS HD) and also create a video only M2TS file with tsMuxeR. Save these into a seperate project folder.
3) Frameserve with AviSynth using the following script...
DirectShowSource("D:\YourBluray.m2ts")
4) Re-encode video with a decent MPEG2 encoder. Cinema Craft Encoder or TMPGEnc are two that I use. Both of these offer full motion search (slow) encoding with plenty of advanced controls.
5) Re-encode multi channel audio to 448Kbs Dolby Digital (AC3) with EAC3to.
All of this software can be found on this thread: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346
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28. November 2008 @ 13:55 |
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I thought DvdFab platium would burn Blu-Ray disc to dvd. Doesn't dvdfab have HD/Blu-Ray?
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I thought DvdFab platium would burn Blu-Ray disc to dvd. Doesn't dvdfab have HD/Blu-Ray
I don't think that DVDFab works with Blu-Ray at all. DVDFab HD Decrypter was supposed to be able to rip HD DVD and Blu-Ray, but I think that it worked with varying success. As far as I know AnyDVD HD is the only reliable way to decrypt Blu-Ray.
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28. November 2008 @ 22:31 |
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
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I thought DvdFab platium would burn Blu-Ray disc to dvd. Doesn't dvdfab have HD/Blu-Ray
I don't think that DVDFab works with Blu-Ray at all. DVDFab HD Decrypter was supposed to be able to rip HD DVD and Blu-Ray, but I think that it worked with varying success. As far as I know AnyDVD HD is the only reliable way to decrypt Blu-Ray.
Dvdfab Platium is suppose to have HD/Blu-Ray decrypter in it, And anydvd too. For some reson Narnia Blu-ray disc doesn't show-up in my burnner. I even tried tsMuxerGui. Nothing picks it up.
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Dvdfab Platium is suppose to have HD/Blu-Ray decrypter in it, And anydvd too. For some reson Narnia Blu-ray disc doesn't show-up in my burnner. I even tried tsMuxerGui. Nothing picks it up.
Tinner
Download a trial trial version of AnyDVD HD and then use their built in ripper and I bet you'll get it. Computers will also have issues with HDCP compliance and only compliant HDCP hardware or AnyDVD HD will fix that.
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29. November 2008 @ 12:24 |
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Originally posted by Ryu77:
WEB11, sasha717 & deanb1234...
I just want to clarify... You want to convert a Blu-ray disc to a standard DVD Video Disc? Not Blu-ray to AVCHD (mini Blu-ray disc using DVD media)?
I am also assuming that all of you are from a NTSC video region (unlike myself who lives in Australia, therefore uses PAL)?
Ok, here are the steps. If further clarification is needed, please let me know which step/s you require more assistance with.
1) Rip Blu-ray disc with AnyDVD HD.
2) Locate the main movie file which is usually the largest M2TS file in folder BDMV/STREAM/. Then demux audio (choose highest quality possible, ie: PCM, TrueHD, DTS HD) and also create a video only M2TS file with tsMuxeR. Save these into a seperate project folder.
3) Frameserve with AviSynth using the following script...
DirectShowSource("D:\YourBluray.m2ts")
4) Re-encode video with a decent MPEG2 encoder. Cinema Craft Encoder or TMPGEnc are two that I use. Both of these offer full motion search (slow) encoding with plenty of advanced controls.
5) Re-encode multi channel audio to 448Kbs Dolby Digital (AC3) with EAC3to.
All of this software can be found on this thread: http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/639346
Awesome, thanks for the info I will try it out soon.
Thanks again
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29. November 2008 @ 22:07 |
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guys im in need for some help on this. i have a mkv bluray movie 1080p which is about 7.50 gigs now its impossible to just put that on a normal dvd 5 disc. Now i have got Gotsent and tsmuxer but i really dont know what to do. Ive actualy made this and done exactly how he shows you in this video.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ho0qbGy_4P0
but my files are to big for normal dvd.
Is there anyway after i did this step in this video to get it to fit on disc with no quality loss what so ever.
I very much appreciate if anyone's got a video or pic or info to help me and out and other wanting to know how to do this.
Many thanks
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Originally posted by Sophocles:
There are some settings that you need to take care of. Once you've muxed the disc and are ready to begin processing the file in the bottom be certain that you've checked Blu-Ray disc. Where it says mode choose 2 pass, and then to the bottom right choose lock size. This gives you the option to go for a single layer or dual layer disc. Look at the screen shots.
a little help needed here guys please followed your settings etc my result was i got a little choppy video with some glitches in there and audio that was out of synch.that apart the video looks absolutely perfect.what could i be doing wrong.your help would be very much appreciated.
ps im converting mkv to avchd
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18. January 2009 @ 16:58 |
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hi all ...can any one tell me if you can play a blue ray dvd on a regular dvd vhs combo player...
also what the best dvd disk to burn on blue ray the -dl or -re if i have it right? i have all engines to burn just want to learn somethink new here thanks
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hi all ...can any one tell me if you can play a blue ray dvd on a regular dvd vhs combo player...
No you can't. To play a blu-ray disc you need a Blu-Ray player whether PC based or standalone. Copying a BD disc to a single or dual layer DVD dic still requires BD structure. The structure is the major determining factor and not the media that it is stored on, but it still requires a reader that can read Blu-Ray.
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a little help needed here guys please followed your settings etc my result was i got a little choppy video with some glitches in there and audio that was out of synch.that apart the video looks absolutely perfect.what could i be doing wrong.your help would be very much appreciated.
What are you playing it back on?
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