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emeralds
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10. October 2008 @ 02:09 |
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yes it's "dvdfab platinum"
the file size is 4.19, but that was only after ripping it as dvd5 which says it puts it at quality of 59%. ripping it at dvd9 says it's at 100% quality but puts it at over 7 gigs. creaky said earlier in the thread dvd9 is only for dual layer discs and never uses it because dvd5 in dvd-rb produces amazing quality but if i'm bypassing dvd-rb i wonder if i'm getting the same result now. sorry if i'm overcomplicating things.
and for the tab to remove pgc it says "like FBI warnings" in parenthesis.
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10. October 2008 @ 02:55 |
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but if i'm bypassing dvd-rb i wonder if i'm getting the same result now.
No, you'll be getting lesser quality using a transcoder vs an encoder.
What is happening is you are selecting DVD-5 and the compression is happening while you are ripping. DVDFab Platinum is considered a one-click application. You'll get better results if you just rip with DVDFab and then encode with DVDRB, especially if DVDFab is telling you the quality is at 59%.
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emeralds
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10. October 2008 @ 03:05 |
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that pretty much brings me back to where i started earlier then:
one more: i'm attempting to burn another dvd and i'm getting this after hitting backup on dvdrb:
advisory: the input directory is already small enough to fit on a dvd-5. no compression is necessary. continue anyway?
what do i to make it back up with no compression then?
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10. October 2008 @ 04:48 |
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You are ripping with DVDFab Platinum which encodes as it rips, you need to rip with DVDFab HD Decrypter and then plug that VIDEO_TS folder into DVDRB. These are two different DVDFab programs.
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10. October 2008 @ 05:44 |
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Originally posted by LOCOENG:
You are ripping with DVDFab Platinum which encodes as it rips, you need to rip with DVDFab HD Decrypter and then plug that VIDEO_TS folder into DVDRB. These are two different DVDFab programs.
Indeed.
As DVD Rebuilder is the one that can do the best encoding, whereas DVDFab Platinum and DVD Shrink can both transcode, you can do it one of these ways -
1/ Use DVDFab HD Decrypter (the free one) - to rip either movie mode or full disc mode (the free version can only do DVD-9). Then use DVD Rebuilder to encode or DVD Shrink to transcode, followed by burning as the resultant files will be DVD-5 ie Single Layer size.. (unless of course movie mode just happened to output files that are Single Layer sized already ie no compression.
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2/ rip with DVDFab Platinum (the paid one) - to rip in main movie mode or full disc mode at DVD-5hence Platinum will be transcoding ie outputting files that should be Single Layer sized so burn with whichever program you want.
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3/ rip with DVDFab Platinum (the paid one) - to rip in main movie mode or full disc mode at DVD-9 ie no compression hence Platinum will just be ripping ie outputting files that will probably be bigger than Single Layer sized so you'd then use Rebuilder to encode or Platinum (or Shrink) to transcode then burn with whichever program you want.
Of course there are other ways but they involve other programs that haven't yet been mentioned, however the above programs are all i ever use, the only other one that i use once in a while in conjunction with those, is vobblanker. Basically DVDFab doesn't always produce clean enough rips (and in these instances you won't be able to distinguish a perfectly good rip from a not-quite-clean enough rip). But you'll come to use Rebuilder for instance, and it'll fail in Phase 3 Rebuild ie near the end of the Rebuilder process. If it fails, i use vobblanker, which looks to be (and in fact, is) a very complex program. However i only use vobblanker in it's simplest form. Point vobblanker towards the directory output by DVDFab, select an output directory and hit 'Process'. It won't take very long and the files output by vobblanker will then go thru Rebuilder without problem.
As your machine is taking nearly 4 hours under Rebuilder, i strongly suggest using vobblanker if you know you're definitely going to be using Rebuilder, as it's damn annoying for Rebuilder to spend hours then fail before the end. One other guy and myself reported such an issue (not totally clean rips) to the DVDFab folks some months back, in my case it was Pirates of the Caribbean World's End. It took a while but eventually DVDFab was fixed to produce cleaner rips. So for that movie DVDFab would work correctly. (for that movie even vobblanker wasn't helping, which was a sign that DVDFab wasn't ripping 100% correctly). Around the time of the World's End issue, i started using vobblanker for every single movie or episodic that wass going to be put thru Rebuilder, but eventually i stopped using vobblanker as it appeared that DVDFab was working fine. Rebuilder still chokes on the odd movie though, but as my machine is so quick with Rebuilder it's no real loss of time to use vobblanker and run Rebuilder again. But as i say, for your machine to be taking 4 hours in Rebuilder, you'd be wise to use vobblanker each time, just in case :)
(i still have to use vobblanker now and then as sometimes Rebuilder fails with the odd error, can't think of an exact error but so far, touch wood, vobblanker always saves the day).
I'll add a few links to the World's End issue in case it crops up again or anyone else reading this wants some extra info -
http://club.cdfreaks.com/f116/dvdfab-pla...tml#post1938851
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/589662#3566757
http://club.cdfreaks.com/f116/source-cor...68/#post1939613
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emeralds
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10. October 2008 @ 13:24 |
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well despite using dvdshrink this whole time before this thread, i do want the best results, and i always want the full disc, so for best results, #3 is the answer right?
i just did a dvdshrink to dvdfab ripped on dvd5 comparison
dvdfab quality: 59% / dvdshrink: 59.5%, but ripping them both just a little over 4G that could go straight to imgburn. trading in quality for speed. so pretty identical it seems.
ripping in dvd9 > encoding with dvd-rb: quite a bit longer but worth the better quality is what i'm to understand so that's the way i'm gonna go. rb didn't quite take 4 hours, but 200 minutes. it was also the biggest disc i'd ever ripped and i was also on the computer running a couple different programs at the time so i don't expect the process to be so grueling in the future.
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10. October 2008 @ 13:36 |
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Originally posted by emeralds:
i do want the best results, and i always want the full disc, so for best results, #3 is the answer right?
yep, if you want quality then Rebuilder is the best choice (by far) out of the above.
Originally posted by emeralds:
i just did a dvdshrink to dvdfab ripped on dvd5 comparison
dvdfab quality: 59% / dvdshrink: 59.5%, but ripping them both just a little over 4G that could go straight to imgburn. trading in quality for speed. so pretty identical it seems.
i have only used Platinum (for compressing) once or twice, and only for light compression, but i figured that it's output wouldn't be overly different from Shrink.
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ripping in dvd9 > encoding with dvd-rb: quite a bit longer but worth the better quality is what i'm to understand so that's the way i'm gonna go. rb didn't quite take 4 hours, but 200 minutes. it was also the biggest disc i'd ever ripped and i was also on the computer running a couple different programs at the time so i don't expect the process to be so grueling in the future.
Oops my maths is crap, obviously that's just over 3 hours :)
I often have Rebuilder running alongside ConvertXtoDVD and DVD Flick (just because i can!) so obviously the runtimes will be longer when multitasking, but what's interesting to note is that the output/quality produced from these 3 programs running together isn't affected, and DVD Shrink can also run happily alongside other programs.
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10. October 2008 @ 13:54 |
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emeralds
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10. October 2008 @ 13:54 |
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running though the guide again i also realize under hc encoder options i was running "best" as opposed to the default "normal", anyone see that much of a difference between the two?
also i ran it under "one click mode", if i'm not planning to change any options between the "3 clicks" otherwise, does one click mode fault the quality at all? also is there any highly recommended things i change inbetween running the regular mode?
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10. October 2008 @ 14:00 |
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I'm not at home so can't check/remember what my HC settings are (probably at default knowing me) but i do know i have one click mode set..
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emeralds
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10. October 2008 @ 14:06 |
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is there a benefit to converting your dvd folder into an .iso file before burning? i read in this guide that this guy does that before burning with dvd decrypter. i can see it's very easy and takes no time at all so i'm just curious if there's a reason for it rather than just go stragiht to the burning process from the dvd folder. if this method and/or dvd decrypter is generally regarded as better than imgburn i'll go ahead and make the change.
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10. October 2008 @ 14:11 |
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I can't remember if movies are quite as usable as ISO's as they are as VIDEO_TS files so I'll let Loco and others comment in more detail if they wish but i personally don't bother with ISO mode; i'm perfectly happy with the VIDEO_TS files, i can watch the movie on pc's (and old style) xboxes fine. Imgburn and other programs can burn either type..
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10. October 2008 @ 15:08 |
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Originally posted by emeralds:
is there a benefit to converting your dvd folder into an .iso file before burning? i read in this guide that this guy does that before burning with dvd decrypter. i can see it's very easy and takes no time at all so i'm just curious if there's a reason for it rather than just go stragiht to the burning process from the dvd folder. if this method and/or dvd decrypter is generally regarded as better than imgburn i'll go ahead and make the change.
For me the only advantage to making ISOs as compared to dvd folders would be at keeping your computer tidy if you were saving them on your HDD. But they also require a little extra effort to view if made into ISOs such as mounting to a virtual drive. Like creaky, I usually keep mine as folders. As far as burners, IMHO, ImgBurn is the way to go. It is kept updated and very user friendly.
A far as settings go, I run mine in two pass mode (normal) and one click. I think that I read somewhere that the author of the program himself could not tell the difference between normal and best on the settings.
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emeralds
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10. October 2008 @ 15:19 |
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thanks for the info.
so again just for ocd/clarification's sake, there's no difference in quality between one click mode and normal? i just question it because the guide i read over referred to it as: "the entire rebuild process is performed with the click of one Transcode button" and started to wonder.
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10. October 2008 @ 18:57 |
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Originally posted by emeralds:
thanks for the info.
so again just for ocd/clarification's sake, there's no difference in quality between one click mode and normal? i just question it because the guide i read over referred to it as: "the entire rebuild process is performed with the click of one Transcode button" and started to wonder.
One click mode just means the program will run the entire process (all three steps) with one click of the button "Backup DVD". As opposed to stopping after each individual step. The "normal" you are referring to is the quality setting of HC Encoder. All the options: Best, Normal, and Fast, can be run in "One Click Mode". Once that option is selected that is where it will stay unless changed. As I stated before I have my quality set to Normal (default) and then I run it in one click mode. Hope this helps clear things up a little.
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10. October 2008 @ 19:03 |
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oh i just wanted to clarify that there wasn't a difference in quality when using "one click mode" over the normal 3 click mode (prepare-encode-rebuild).
also in imgburn, should i specify a "volume label"? imgburn picks one for me, should i just go with that? i'm not really sure what it is.
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10. October 2008 @ 19:21 |
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I just choose whatever imgburn suggests.
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10. October 2008 @ 19:23 |
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The 3 click mode is more advanced. You need not know about that now. I use it when I'm doing bitrate distribution. After prepare, I use the segment viewer to make some bitrate changes. Just get used to normal operations. After a while, when you are comfortable with the program, you can go deeper into it.
There's also a 2 click operation.
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10. October 2008 @ 21:25 |
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Glad dialysis is here to clear up a few of the details that I left out. As well as add details that are beyond my level of knowledge. Thank you sir. :)
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emeralds
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10. October 2008 @ 22:10 |
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ditto. and to yourself and the rest of you. thank so much for all the help fellas.
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10. October 2008 @ 22:39 |
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An ISO will be just as compatible as a VIDEO_TS folder. An ISO is just a container that, like ferguj1 stated, keeps everything nice and tidy in one place. It contains all the VOBS, IFO's, BUP's etc. that the VIDEO_TS folder does. You can open the ISO with your favorite zip/rar program and look inside of it if you want. I personally will output to ISO over a VIDEO_TS folder everytime if the program I'm using gives me that choice for the simple reason that I can use the queue feature in Imgburn to burn them when I'm ready. Otherwise I don't bother converting my VIDEO_TS into an ISO as it's just an extra step that isn't necessary.
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