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Triock
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27. November 2005 @ 04:38 |
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Noo, i understand that the xp is old, is it as good as the p4?
cause it is a 32 bit right?
And i am getting my dad's old computer... He is getting a 30.0 duel core from dell.... long story short. i get better computer and i need upgrades to make it nice.. BTW. do you know if you can overclock it?
My dad said maby he can, only if the mobo will let him..
Any suggestions?
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Triock
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brobear
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27. November 2005 @ 08:30 |
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Factory boards don't usually allow any adjustments. So, you're out of luck unless the system you're getting has a custom board. There are old slow P4s and then there are faster newer ones. Depends on which you're comparing your XP to. There's benchmarks, if they go back far enough, on hardware sites that give decent comparisons of different processors. Basically, a stock 2.0 XP would be comparable to a Pentium running at 2GHz. Until recently the numbers used on AMD processors corresponded to the actual speeds of Intel processors they compared to. It won't be a big time gamer, but you'll have a good usable PC, if all the components are in good shape. Good luck with it.
BTW, most systems are still 32 bit. 64 bit is fairly new. AMD went big time with it first and now Intel is getting in on the show. Very little software has been written for the 64 bit systems to date. It's supposed to be a big thing coming up though.
My next system will be 64 bit, but I'm not running out to get one anytime soon. As I mentioned before, I'm waiting to see what happens this coming year. There's going to be some interesting changes coming along and I want to see how the tech develops. Besides, those new dual cores are still at a premium. As more come on line, the prices will drop to where frugal sorts like myself can buy in.
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matt5112
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27. November 2005 @ 08:34 |
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have a A64 3000 venice core yet i cant overclock it more than 2.0ghz. ive been in the adanvances overlcocking menu and set teh mem clock to 200 mhz to prevent overlcoking of my memory and oc just the cpu and anything over 2.0 right after the IDE test and mem test screen(first phase of BIOS) the next screen comes up but instead of the usual readouts i get a blinking underscore.... any suggestions?
the usual temp of my cpu is anywhere from 34 to 45 C depending if load or idle
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27. November 2005 @ 08:44 |
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matt5112
Post the memory make and speed and perhaps we can help you pump your speed a bit. And motherboard make and model.
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27. November 2005 @ 09:13 |
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motherboard is Giga-byte K8NXP-SLI Ver 1.0 and memory are both samsung running in dual channel runinng at PC3200/ 400mhz. even with the memory clock locked and spread spectrum disabled i cant get higher than 1.98 ghz. would have my PCI-E bus clocked to 110 mhz instead of the default 100mhz contribute to this?
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27. November 2005 @ 10:49 |
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matt5112
Lower your hyper transport to 4 instead of 5, unlock your memory and set timings to 3-3-3-8 and then try.
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Triock
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27. November 2005 @ 13:27 |
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soo should i get a better board for it? and would it be worth it?
BTW.. I want to use this as an media computer... you know, get a nice slim case and put a dvd rom and a nice sound card... So it has a 256 mg video card,I know i can get a dvi converter for it.. 1. do you have any suggestions.. and would you go with a small case for looks or a larger one that you can put the full sized pci, and agp cards???
I need dome help on that..
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matt5112
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27. November 2005 @ 14:19 |
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Sophocles
no luck with that the most i can get is stil 220mhz... thanks for trying i am going to reflash my bios to a later version an see if that helps
im running F7 it had F6 on it but im pretty sure theres an F8
Triock
If you are looking for a good home media center case then go to www.thermaltake.com they offer a couple different cases with a load of features.
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27. November 2005 @ 16:49 |
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Matt,
The memory speed is how you overclock. If you have good memory it can be OCed past 230 easily but to use non high performance memory you can set the meory clock to 166 or lower to allow higher proc speed.
At 166 then you can bump the FSB to 240 or so and keep the memory in the 200mhz range.
Also the NF4 chipset doesn't like some memory and will overclock poorly untill better memory is purchased.
A trick if you have poorly OCing memory is to set the FSB normal in bios and use Clockgen to increase it from Windows. A 220 max FSB from bios can go 250 from Windows if the Mem clock is set down to 166.
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27. November 2005 @ 16:56 |
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thanks i am considering getting 2-3-2-5 OCZ mem 2x512mb to overclock my cpu to get equivilent to 3500 speeds but im not sure if its worth it because i can get that memory for $200 and a 3500 for $250
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28. November 2005 @ 04:25 |
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Hmmm... slow processor and poor memory...
And the 3500 will need better memory to function at it's best as well.
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matt5112
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28. November 2005 @ 12:16 |
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well that settles it... because thats whats holding my computer back.
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28. November 2005 @ 17:24 |
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Low quality memory will hamper the performance of just about any system. Lower quality memory is usually reserved for the low budget market where peak performance isn't an issue. It shouldn't be a choice at all for a good custom build. Using poor memory is building a bottleneck into a sytem from the start. Don't overlook the chipset in use on your mobo either. Make sure it's capable of what you're wanting to do and not just being capable of accepting the processor you want to plug in. You'll find that especially important in graphics and gaming.
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28. November 2005 @ 17:30 |
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Good memory for this board is important. OCZ is known to work well on NF4 boards. The proc will be fine until you get enough for a dual core or maybe a San Diego proc.
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29. November 2005 @ 13:14 |
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If you want a fast processor to reach its potential you have to provide for high quality memory. Next to a badly binned processor it's the single greastest cause of overclock failure. As far as overclocking is concerned it's often about give and take. I suggested that you lower your hyper transport speeds to 4X instead of 5X and that sounds like your giving up some front side bus speed, but look at it like this. Your native frontside bus speed is 5 times 200 mhz which gives you a frontside bus speed of 1000 mhz. Now lets look at 4 times 250 mhz which also gives you a frontside bus of 1000 mhz but your CPU speed with a clock multiplier of 9 gives you a processor speed of 2250 mhz. If you want a command rate of 1T then you're probably going to have to lower your frontside bus speed to 4 times 240. Now your processors speed is lowered to 2160 mhz but your memory has gained about 20%.
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29. November 2005 @ 16:20 |
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Sophocles,64026402, brobear
thanks alot. i didnt know much about A64 overclocking till now thanks.
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29. November 2005 @ 16:21 |
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Sophocles,64026402, brobear
thanks alot. i didnt know much about A64 overclocking till now thanks.
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Triock
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30. November 2005 @ 14:53 |
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Hey whats up?
Ummm i told you what kind of computer i have... Can i overclock it at all through the main screen??
You know through the motherboard.. and not through the hardware ''motherboard''... Sorry if i sound confusing...
Just a question because my dad said that i cant get a different motherboard... Which sucks... But whatever...
Help would be much appreciated.. Thanks,
Triock
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30. November 2005 @ 15:03 |
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AMD athlons run pretty hot and overclocking it without an aftermarket heatsink/fan might not be advisable.
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matt5112
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30. November 2005 @ 16:41 |
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i had a Athlong XP 2400+ and it ran at 50 C not overclocked... with stock cooling and one system fan.. great system but ran really hot
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30. November 2005 @ 19:13 |
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matt5112,
I have a question. What exactly do you call hot? I ran my P4 3.0/800 HT Prescott computer during august and sept. 90F+ most days! It ran 68C under load. More importantly, the case temps. Now that it's cooler I can run at 3.40 MGh. The case temps are a steady 33 to 36C, even when the CPU temps are 65 to 67C. From this I've concluded that the CPU may be hot but the heat ain't sticking around very long. I have 2 120mm and 2 80mm fans. 1 80 is an inlet fan in the window. It's a nice roomy Aluminum 11 bay case. There's also the CPU Cooler and the GPU Cooler on the video card. 6 freekin fans and it still runs hot! I love my computer, it rocks! It's also loud!!! You can hear it in the next room with the doors closed! Next MB will be AMD socket 939 SLI w/cool technology fan/fanless from Asus. Athlon 64x2 4400+, 2GB Corsair XMT, Dual 7800 PCIx16 Video Cards and Dual SATA 10,000 rpm drives in a Raid 0 setting. With the new tech from Intel due out around May and AMD's already prepared response coming out in June, this could mean a drastic cut in the price of the current 64 bit Dual Core CPUs and related hardware. Around mid-summer will probably be a good time to build a new computer. One things for sure, you will either be spending a little or a lot. Depends on what the big boys show us and how good it all works.
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1. December 2005 @ 07:57 |
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My old pc was running on an AMD Athlon 64 Dual Core 4200 but I recently upgraded to 2x Intel Xeon 3.6GHz both with 2mb cache and the difference is outstanding in the favour of the all powerful ZEON!
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"From this I've concluded that the CPU may be hot but the heat ain't sticking around very long"
I'd conclude differently. It seems you've got adequate case ventilation but poor CPU cooling - the heat isn't escaping from your CPU, since the heatsink and/or fan attached is ineffective.
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1. December 2005 @ 12:16 |
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my experience with my 1600+ was AWESOME until decided to OC.... it was running fairly hot at at 60C then... it skyrocketed to 80C+ i instantly stopped OCing but... it was already damaged.. the motherboard NB fan stopped too... ive never bought a shuttle board since.
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I recently upgraded to 2x Intel Xeon 3.6GHz both with 2mb cache and the difference is outstanding in the favour of the all powerful ZEON!
Which would still be slower than a dual AMD Opteron system @ 2.8 GHz system without overclocking.
Let's talk apples to apples not apples to oranges. You compared two top of the line zeons against a mid range dual core. Trust me there are no Intel configurations that can't be whipped by an equivalent AMD configuration for less money.
My single core Venice 3500 plus out benches the single core 3.6 P4 extreme and it's only running at 2.64 GHZ. Zeons aren't faster than standard Intel P4's of equivalent speeds they're just able to be configured in a dual processor system. A dual core CPU while fast still isn't quite equal to two individual processors in a single system but two opterons would cry out "where are you baby and have your zeons crying back to the opterons, you're my daddy, you're my daddy." LOL
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