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Intel P4 vs AMD
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1. December 2005 @ 18:56 |
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To sammorris,
You are absolutely right. I was pretty tired when I wrote that but I can see exactly what you mean. I am running the stock Intel cooler that came with the CPU with the silver based thermal grease. I am open to suggestion as to what to replace it with. I'm not interested in water cooling or anything exotic like that. Just a good quality reasonably priced cpu cooler that will cool! I have a socket 478 3.0 P4 w/800 fsb & Hyper-threading. Any suggestions would greatly be appreciated.
Sincerely,
theonejrs
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brobear
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2. December 2005 @ 02:02 |
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Take a look at Newegg or one of the other suppliers. There's a bunch of heatsink/fan setups better than stock. Watch out though, these can be somewhat bulky. Some stock configurations are cramped. I like the Zalman, but it is on the bulky side, you have to have room to use it.
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2. December 2005 @ 12:39 |
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I ran a Zalman on my P4 system. A bulky heatsing/fan can be problem but that's mostly on newer systems because of the location of PCIe slots and memory.
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5. December 2005 @ 01:13 |
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I'd be careful though, big coolers can prove a problem with some boards - mine is bowing slightly because of an Arctic Cooling Silent2l, and that's not huge. It doesn't even keep my CPU cool! I think it's just my poor job of applying thermal paste though...
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Triock
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5. December 2005 @ 11:32 |
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I am getting a 2.2 amd 64 with a gig of ram and all that fun stuff.. Can yall tell me how to overclock it???
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brobear
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5. December 2005 @ 15:06 |
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That's what Sophocles has been talking about for some time. Maybe you can get him to repeat the info. I fear I'm not as good as he is in that arena.
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Triock
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5. December 2005 @ 15:42 |
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Ok.. I have no idea.. I know nothing about OC ing.. My dad wont do it ... I think it is because it is 64 bit.. And BTW: can any of yall get me a copy of microsoft xp 64 bit???
And i know about CMOS and all that.. And multipliers.. I just have no clue what they mean, or how to get to them..... Well hey i wont have to feel like crap compared to yall's computer... :) Thanks's
Triock
BTW: Do yall have a myspace...
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6. December 2005 @ 02:56 |
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Just put a really big alarm clock on the top of the computer:)
There is a lot of info on OCing in this thread if you read back some.
To get specific you need to tell us the board and memory you use.
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6. December 2005 @ 03:08 |
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AMD always Wins for me 2 words..
Performance...and...Value
also they dont melt right through your case like intels toasty little numbers
Studio Comp: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ OC ~ 2.35GHz runs at 40 celcius idle and 48 under stress (aerocool GT1000 really works!), Asrock K7VT4A , 1024MB Dual Channel DDR 400, MSI Nvidia FX5200 128MB OC ~ 600MHz mem 350MHz core,80GB SATA + 200GB SATA + 120GB IDE, 7.1 Channel Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum EX sound and midi interface. 19" Sony SDM-HS95 TFT monitor - sweeet
Comp2: AMD Sempron 2400+ OC ~ 2.0GHz (Stable), Asrock K7S41GX, 512MB DDR 333, Onboard Graphics, 40GB Maxtor IDE
set of monitors on the way soon :P
Google is your friend...
WorkComp: LAPTOP, intel celeron D 2.4GHz, 256MB DDR, 20GB hd. NO SCREEN IT WAS SAWN OFF :S (bag of crap) |
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bitchplz
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6. December 2005 @ 05:22 |
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Both are good chips for there specific needs.
AMD great chips for gaming and great value and run nice and cool.
Intel great for word processing, Photoshop work, media.
Intel more expensive though and run alot hotter.
If im building a gaming rig ill go AMD
For a client who needs simple office tasks, a dell with a p4 normally does the business :P
Asus P4B800 Deluxe ||| Shuttlemini System
Intel Pentium 4 3.0E 800MHz ||| AMD Sempron 2400+
2 x 512mb Corsair Value RAM ||| 1GB Kingmax RAM
Radeon X700 256mb ||| Nvidia 6600GT 128MB
2 x 200GB Seagate ||| 200GB Seagate
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SypherTek
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6. December 2005 @ 05:32 |
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id still use AMDs even for an office PC
just slap a sempron 2500 in a cheap board with onboard grfx and sound with 256Meg of memory and hey presto you have an efficient little word processor that didnt cost you as much as a dell
Studio Comp: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ OC ~ 2.35GHz runs at 40 celcius idle and 48 under stress (aerocool GT1000 really works!), Asrock K7VT4A , 1024MB Dual Channel DDR 400, MSI Nvidia FX5200 128MB OC ~ 600MHz mem 350MHz core,80GB SATA + 200GB SATA + 120GB IDE, 7.1 Channel Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum EX sound and midi interface. 19" Sony SDM-HS95 TFT monitor - sweeet
Comp2: AMD Sempron 2400+ OC ~ 2.0GHz (Stable), Asrock K7S41GX, 512MB DDR 333, Onboard Graphics, 40GB Maxtor IDE
set of monitors on the way soon :P
Google is your friend...
WorkComp: LAPTOP, intel celeron D 2.4GHz, 256MB DDR, 20GB hd. NO SCREEN IT WAS SAWN OFF :S (bag of crap) |
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bitchplz
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6. December 2005 @ 05:40 |
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I agree totally AMD system would be alot better, and cheaper than the Dell.
But...
With Dell you get a monitor, keyboard, mouse, speakers, mouse mat, XP license
And most importantly you get Dells Warranty.
So yea a Sempron is a great choice but Dell still is a better choice then a prebuilt for a simple office.
Asus P4B800 Deluxe ||| Shuttlemini System
Intel Pentium 4 3.0E 800MHz ||| AMD Sempron 2400+
2 x 512mb Corsair Value RAM ||| 1GB Kingmax RAM
Radeon X700 256mb ||| Nvidia 6600GT 128MB
2 x 200GB Seagate ||| 200GB Seagate
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6. December 2005 @ 05:52 |
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Yeah maybe so but i dont make a whole lot of money from selling dells to my customers...lol :P
Besides if you just buy the serial for xp and not the software it works out cheap specially if you buy a multiple user licence pack
and ive not had a complaint about my sempron office systems yet (fingers crossed) and ive flogged off quite a few now
All my waranties come down to the individual parts aswell which means if something does go wrong i jus replace the part quick and easy with bits i have lying around and send the faulty one off to be replaced
i say SCREW DELL BUY FROM ME!!!
lol
Studio Comp: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ OC ~ 2.35GHz runs at 40 celcius idle and 48 under stress (aerocool GT1000 really works!), Asrock K7VT4A , 1024MB Dual Channel DDR 400, MSI Nvidia FX5200 128MB OC ~ 600MHz mem 350MHz core,80GB SATA + 200GB SATA + 120GB IDE, 7.1 Channel Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum EX sound and midi interface. 19" Sony SDM-HS95 TFT monitor - sweeet
Comp2: AMD Sempron 2400+ OC ~ 2.0GHz (Stable), Asrock K7S41GX, 512MB DDR 333, Onboard Graphics, 40GB Maxtor IDE
set of monitors on the way soon :P
Google is your friend...
WorkComp: LAPTOP, intel celeron D 2.4GHz, 256MB DDR, 20GB hd. NO SCREEN IT WAS SAWN OFF :S (bag of crap) |
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bitchplz
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6. December 2005 @ 05:57 |
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Lol
But im guessing your customers pay you for you to come out and fix there problems?
And also pay you to sort out there RMA's ect?
And if you like us charge £85 an hour... it could become quite expensive for your customers!
And For a normal office computer I'd say it takes around 2hours yo get it up and running. I mean built, XP installed, Windows Updates, Office, Anti Virus blah blah blah... £85 x 2 (£170 saved by getting a dell already)
Asus P4B800 Deluxe ||| Shuttlemini System
Intel Pentium 4 3.0E 800MHz ||| AMD Sempron 2400+
2 x 512mb Corsair Value RAM ||| 1GB Kingmax RAM
Radeon X700 256mb ||| Nvidia 6600GT 128MB
2 x 200GB Seagate ||| 200GB Seagate
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SypherTek
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6. December 2005 @ 06:02 |
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im only a small buisness that supplies for other small buisnesses (its mainly during my spare time as i have another job) i dont charge £85 an hour and besides they only have to pay me to fix something if something goes wrong... which it rarely does... although somedays i wish it would lol
Studio Comp: AMD Athlon XP 3200+ OC ~ 2.35GHz runs at 40 celcius idle and 48 under stress (aerocool GT1000 really works!), Asrock K7VT4A , 1024MB Dual Channel DDR 400, MSI Nvidia FX5200 128MB OC ~ 600MHz mem 350MHz core,80GB SATA + 200GB SATA + 120GB IDE, 7.1 Channel Soundblaster Audigy 2 Platinum EX sound and midi interface. 19" Sony SDM-HS95 TFT monitor - sweeet
Comp2: AMD Sempron 2400+ OC ~ 2.0GHz (Stable), Asrock K7S41GX, 512MB DDR 333, Onboard Graphics, 40GB Maxtor IDE
set of monitors on the way soon :P
Google is your friend...
WorkComp: LAPTOP, intel celeron D 2.4GHz, 256MB DDR, 20GB hd. NO SCREEN IT WAS SAWN OFF :S (bag of crap) |
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bitchplz
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6. December 2005 @ 06:08 |
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Same for us really.
2 man company, i've been working here for a year now, so im sure you know alot more than i do im only 17.
Im sure your way suits you and your customers fine.
And until we have complaints or find somewhere cheaper, Where gonna keep buying from Dell.
:O) Thanks for an Intelligant Discussion lol
Asus P4B800 Deluxe ||| Shuttlemini System
Intel Pentium 4 3.0E 800MHz ||| AMD Sempron 2400+
2 x 512mb Corsair Value RAM ||| 1GB Kingmax RAM
Radeon X700 256mb ||| Nvidia 6600GT 128MB
2 x 200GB Seagate ||| 200GB Seagate
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6. December 2005 @ 06:08 |
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3.4 Ghz 800 Mhz P4 / 800 Mhz Intel 915PBL Mobo / 2 GB`s DDR2 Ram / 2 @120 GB SATA 150 HD Raid 0 & a 200 GB SATA 150 HD /250GB Maxtor External Backup / NEC ND-3500AG/HP DVD-RW with Lightscribe/XP Pro SP2/128MB ATI PCI Express Video Card/ENERMAX EG465P 460W
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6. December 2005 @ 12:13 |
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bitchplz
AMD's used to be better for gaming and Intel with video compression but now AMD is beating them there too. Recent bench marks comparing AMD's and Intel's has Intel losing in all categories, and this was without overclocking. Since AMD's overclock so much better than Intel, their performance gap widens even more.
Triock
6402's advice is right on, there is a lot of good overclocking info on this thread, but even if there wasn't without knowing the make of your motherboard and memory it would be almost impossible to give any real advice.
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6. December 2005 @ 12:31 |
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So, if one suspends a "Baby Ben" from the ceiling, they've accomplished the maximum in overclocking? Or would they have to mount it on the roof? ;)
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6. December 2005 @ 12:35 |
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If they mounted it on the roof then you'd really have to make an effort to get it over the clock.
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6. December 2005 @ 12:46 |
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I just upgraded from a P4 2.8GHz HT 800MHz FSB Northwood to an AMD A64 3500+ 939 2.2GHz and here are my findings:
1. My system boots faster.
2. MAME plays faster and smoother.
3. itunes no longer lags when scrolling down playlists.
4. A64 has idled as low as 25c versus P4 that typically idle at 30-35c.
5. System feels more responsive as a whole.
Both systems have 1gig of Dual channel DDR400.
The only downside to AMD that I see is that AMD doesn't design/manufacture there own chipsets and motherboards. There are alot of novice system builders like me that have no interest in overclocking and are looking for a nice stable system. Any good motherboard made for AMD these days is all about the tweaker/overclocker. The bios in these boards can be confusing to a novice. VIA is mostly crap from what I understand, Nvidia makes a quality chipset, but its been known to have glitches and driver issues.
Despite my few gripes, all my new system builds will be AMD.
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6. December 2005 @ 13:13 |
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Note to 72morgan
www.google.com Type in AMD Versus Intel. And you will see more than 1 set of benchmarks. Going on one set of results really shows a AMD fan boy!
Sophocles: AMD Chips are great chips i never said anything about that they are built for gaming chips due to there short pipelines. But Intel still lead on media, video editing ect as there chips currently have longer piplines which help with muilti tasking.... Xeons would still oWn Opteron's
denzilla: Pentium 4 2.8Ghz - AMD 3500+ 2.2Ghz
Amd 3500+ is equivelent to a Pentium 3.4Ghz Processor already a big difference there.
And before you judge, whats the other specs? Motherboard, Gcard, Was it a fresh Install Of Xp?
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Intel Pentium 4 3.0E 800MHz ||| AMD Sempron 2400+
2 x 512mb Corsair Value RAM ||| 1GB Kingmax RAM
Radeon X700 256mb ||| Nvidia 6600GT 128MB
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denzilla
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6. December 2005 @ 13:26 |
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Old rig:
Asus P4P800MX MicroATX MB
P4 2.8Ghz HT 800MHz FSB (Northwood)
1gig (4x256)Kingston ValueRam DDR400 in Dual Channel mode
Integrated Intel Extreme gfx2
Integrated Soundmax audio
Seagate 80gig SATA
WinXP Pro SP2 (32-bit)
New Rig:
Asus A8N5X ATX MB
Athlon64 3500+ 2.2GHz Socket 939 (Venice)
1gig (2x512) Corsair Value Select DDR400 in Dual Channel Mode
Radeon x700Pro 128meg GDDR3 PCI-E
Integrated Realtek audio
Seagate 160gig SATA II (partitioned into two 80gig drives)
WinXP Pro SP2 (32-bit)
I based my judgement on what I was getting at 2.8GHz on my Intel Rig vs. my new AMD 2.2GHz rig. MAME doesn't benefit from gfx cards as its all software, so that rules out the Radeon having an effect. Yes, I compared with fresh installs in both and it made no difference in the outcome. I am not biased to either company and will go where the perfomance is and now its with AMD.
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Benchmarks are always done on a fresh install of XP. And as far as encoding goes, encoding is largely clock speed dependent which explains Intel's previous advantages over AMD's in that arena. The 3500+ is a PR rating and not an actual clock speed measure equivalent because an AMD at the same clock speed as an Intel would be an Intel killer.
I've overclocked my venice core to 2.64 GHZ and in most benchmarks it surpasses even the P4 3.7 extreme edition although not in encoding. But then my CPU is about $600 less to buy. There are no P4s within its price range that even remotely comptetes with its encode speeds. Most of the test done take the chips at their stock ratings but overclocking is AMD's benefit over the P4.
There's more where this came from now all you have to do is compare the right cores with each other. You'll note that the Intel dual cores are almost completely out of the running against AMD's dual cores. My machine is faster than the FX55 in the test and almost as fast as the FX57. It's about price and performance and Intel is left out in every category.
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6. December 2005 @ 13:54 |
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We've already discussed the advantages AMD currently enjoys. So, a slower AMD is similar to a higher speed Intel processor. As discussed previously, it's really about architecture. Until recently the AMD chips were named according to the comparable Intel chip's speed, not the speed of the AMD chip. The 3500 would be the equivalent of a 3.5GHz Pentium, even though the AMD has a lower clock speed. So, just thinking in the lines of Intel, you're making quite a jump when going from 2.8GHz up to 3.5GHz. Speaking in AMD terms, that's like moving up from a 2800 to the 3500, covers a lot of improvement in just the processor. So that alone explains a large part of the system improvement.
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