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16. February 2012 @ 13:22 |
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Lapping is easy and not harmful at all. Anything you do will be the same or better than the original surface if it's as bad as you make it sound. CPU lapping ofc is not really needed but the cooler is easy to do. It just takes some time. People make a big stink about amount of TIM but I've always done just fine following the general guideline of "no gooshing out the edges = A-OK"
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16. February 2012 @ 13:22 |
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NPB!
I may lap it one day. Given all the trouble I've gone through, I need a break LOL!
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16. February 2012 @ 13:29 |
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Well for one the Tuniq Tower's base is pretty badly warped by the soldering of the heatpipes which is what prompted my experimentation. It got terrible temps for about a month, lapped it, and it dropped 10*C and ran cool as ice. As a matter of fact it still puts up daily temps like when I first lapped it. Almost as cool as my CoolIt under normal working conditions.
Both of my Tuniqs needed lapping BTW.
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17. February 2012 @ 21:22 |
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Originally posted by sam:
Besides, subway is a bit ambiguous, as there are plenty of foot tunnels to cross large roads/junctions underneath that are called subways.
That merely proves my point about the way you limeys mess up the language. Where I come from, which is the civilized part of the world that speaks proper English, subway means nothing more than the place underground where the little trains travel, and what you are talking about is a tunnel.
Or if you prefer, an underground tunnel - but is there any other kind? A tunnel in the sky? "Look up - it's Lucy in the sky with diamonds, in her tunnel." :P
Originally posted by estuansis:
Around here, if you plan to go anywhere it's either drive or take all day to get there. I'm probably a couple hours walk from anything except the lake, and there are farm fields down the road lol. Working on my new car though, trying to get it in paint before summer, so I've been stranded :P
I live in a township of 7600 people just outside of a city of 18000. This is the boonies guys :P
Holy crap! I don't get it. Sam is from London, a big city, and he mixes up all his words, and Jeff is from a mere hamlet, but he speaks perfect English!
Originally posted by omega:
The way the 8600Gt has been behaving, I almost worried that the GTX 570 would have an impact. My lag is gone, it smokes Left 4 Dead like it's nothing(highest), and windows 7 is smoother than ever! My CPU is cooler than it's ever been, thanks to the XIGMATEK Aegir SD128264 Mega Killer. Perhaps the coolit eco dying, was simply a sign to move on :D
Yeah Kevin, it was a sign to move on, all right ... to move on TO AIR!!!!
NICE COOLER!!
Originally posted by estuansis:
Well for one the Tuniq Tower's base is pretty badly warped by the soldering of the heatpipes which is what prompted my experimentation. It got terrible temps for about a month, lapped it, and it dropped 10*C and ran cool as ice. As a matter of fact it still puts up daily temps like when I first lapped it. Almost as cool as my CoolIt under normal working conditions.
Both of my Tuniqs needed lapping BTW.
Well, I'm sorry Jeff, but living where you do, what else is there that you could possibly do in your spare time but shoot the AK at some cows, or lap your cooler?
Just kidding!!!! I say that hurriedly lest I alienate everybody whose technical help I will certainly need as I contemplate my first real OC later this summer.
I have heard that yes - lapping can take hours - but yes, lapping is hell on wheels for cooling. One day remind me, you guys, to take a picture of this round red copper cooler that has a fan in the middle, and you can tell me if it is adequate to move this 9450 to 3.6, or if I should get a Tuniq or True (or XIGMATEK) plus a lapping kit.
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18. February 2012 @ 00:02 |
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It's an excellent cooler Rich. I seem to be averaging 39 - 40C under 100% CPU load via X264 encoding. I run the fans now at 1500Rpms(easily sleep through it). It's a very agreeable noise level! I'm only at 3.7Ghz at the moment, But I believe 4.0ghz should be cake for this cooler/processor. I believe I found 3.9 to be the happy medium for this processor though. Beyond that, and I get diminished returns. It needs to last me at least another 9 months to 1.5yrs. And after the leaky cooler, I'm really hesitant pushing anything too hard. Especially the northbridge :(
For all I know, I may have a component on the board going. The Board received a bit of the moisture from the leak. Supposed to be non conductive(one would think). But the GPU clearly didn't like it LOL!
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18. February 2012 @ 19:37 |
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Well, the newegg writeup looked very interesting - some of the pipes actually touch the cpu - that sounded good. There must be benchmarks around the internet. You mention it is running at 100% - but some loads are heavier than others I understand.
Just for testing purposes, Kevin, why don't you really stress it for an hour or two with something like linpak or prime, and tell us about your temps at that time - shouldn't really stress your northbridge I don't believe - or would it?
For sure that is amazing that a supposedly non-conductive cooling fluid would ruin your graphics card - I wonder why?
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18. February 2012 @ 19:55 |
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For the record, I don't know for 100% fact, that the 260 is dead. But given the pop sound I heard, and the video going to puke immediately after, I'm assuming (with good reason) that it's dead. I opened up the card, and can see nothing visibly wrong. But I'm nervous hooking up a dead component, for fear of it ruining the motherboard. Probably just a capacitor. But I can't find tell tale signs of the pop :( Perhaps it was heat escape... or perhaps it was the coolit itself popping. Perhaps the CPU overheated, causing the video signal to go to crap. I'll probably never know.
Prime 95 may heat things up more. X264 does seem to be better at finding instabilities though. It's the perfect OC tester ;) I will humor the thread/s by running prime 95 in a while though. I'll even push it to 3.9Ghz.
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18. February 2012 @ 19:56 |
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Yeah if the rest of the system works bar the graphics card, with symptoms like that you know the card will be dead.
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18. February 2012 @ 20:00 |
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Unfortunately, I would bet money on it :(
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18. February 2012 @ 20:30 |
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Originally posted by harvrdguy:
Well, the newegg writeup looked very interesting - some of the pipes actually touch the cpu - that sounded good.
It's not actually that good an idea, it tends to be less effective in practice.
Non-conductive fluid contains substances that prevent corrosion, galvanisation and algae. The dry residue from this can still cause severe problems for circuitry.
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18. February 2012 @ 21:53 |
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omega, did any of the caps go pop on the videocard? does any of the caps look taller then the other ones?
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harvrdguy
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18. February 2012 @ 22:42 |
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Some pretty technical stuff is going on in this thread.
Sam: "Non-conductive can still screw things up - and cooler pipes touching the cpu doesn't necessarily help."
DDP: "Let me have a look and I'll tell you which cap is blown."
Wow!
So you guys, if Kevin sees one cap that sticks up higher than the others, should he just swap it out and dare to give the graphics card another try? Could the card, if it were still bad, instantly blow his mobo - or would he have at least a few seconds to see if there is any display on bios post to turn the machine off with no damage?
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18. February 2012 @ 23:10 |
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i've replaced caps on both motherboards & psu's with most of them still working that weren't before. i've worked on sun microsystem boards, cisco system boards, nokia cell phones plus other boards when working for celestica from 98 to 2002.
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19. February 2012 @ 01:42 |
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I've watched youtube videos of circuit board repair. It is doable. Though I've never done it. And Capacitors are typical weak points from what I've read/seen.
As I said, I can't see anything visibly wrong. I looked for bulging caps, and areas that look inexplicably wrong. E.g. like something was missing, or broken. And of course, it could be microscopic. I have a fairly sharp eye. But my eyes don't like straining too hard LOL! I plan to look very sharply at it once more, before giving up on it. Perhaps even sell it for a dollar on ebay. I guarantee somebody would pick it up ;)
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19. February 2012 @ 07:59 |
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Something very common is that companies release "re-cap" kits for motherboards and video cards that include all the capacitors needed to replace every one on the board. This is a major help for otherwise good boards with poor quality caps or in need of an upgrade to solid state caps. Ofc not every board is good enough or a good candidate for this, but some have been released over the years with amazing quality, performance and specs only to be let down by a bad batch of caps that blows under temperature.
Interestingly my GA-X38-DS4 blew two caps between the VRMs and CPU socket, and I got a re-cap kit for that. They were actually the same caps Gigabyte put on the boards in later revisions, so it's mfg correct too. That was about a year ago and it's been folding every day since then without a complaint. Anyone familiar with folding will know it's a very heavy load and probably the hardest endurance/stability test you can run on your PC.
Capacitors I find to be very easy, but I struggle with finer work due to my large hands and shaky nerves. My hands shake so bad when working with small parts, I've considered muscle relaxants. Likewise, when shooting at the range, I have a hard time using larger rifles without a gunrest.
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19. February 2012 @ 08:02 |
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I haven't checked the caps on my X38-DS4. Its age is starting to show on the onboard peripherals though - only 5 of the 6 audio jacks work, there's quite a lot of coil whine from the VRMs and the network adapter is useless to play games with if it's sending data, as transmitting more than a couple of MB/s increases the latency to 100+ms.
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19. February 2012 @ 08:09 |
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Oddly enough Sam, mine has been unspeakably tortured and used as a fileserver/secondary gaming rig it's whole life without a single issue. Everything works perfectly. No funny noises, perfect performance, plays online games with the best of them while still managing torrents in the background, etc. All the USB ports even work. Some of it might be due to mechanical wear. This PC hasn't really been to LANs and stays inone place indefinitely. My gaming rig is all in order as well but it stands to be said the hardware in it is much newer too.
Still can't believe I went the e6600, 680i, 8800GTX route once upon a time. I can't believe I spent so much on so little. I reflect back on the time since I started building PCs and it's staggering how much I still don't know. Sorry, just thinking out loud. I used to be such a newb. I'm not saying that stuff was bad, but I would've approached it a lot differently. The big issue was I hooked that $600 8800GTX up to a 1280 x 1024 monitor and thought "OH YEAH AWESOME". lol
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19. February 2012 @ 09:11 |
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Mine has been running 24/7 for the last 2 years now, and is 4 years old in April, so it's stood up fairly well (considering the longest-lived Asus board was not used 24/7, and only lasted 16 months). The board was actually faulty from new, however, as the second PCIe slot causes the PCI Express controller to drop out periodically if used. (That ultimately took me over a year to diagnose!). Common issue with Gigabytes it seems as the X48-DS5 exhibited it as well, but I RMA'ed that, now knowing how the issue presents itself. After a move to Asus turned out predictably with another RMA, third time lucky with the X48-DS4, which ran my quad crossfire setup for about 8 months before being replaced by the P55A-UD4.
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19. February 2012 @ 12:14 |
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Lol, talking about that board...
Had an almost (but not quite) complete loss of service on my internet connection for several hours. No problems on the internal network. Rebooted the routers, modem, switches, to no avail. ISP said they couldn't find a fault.
Rebooted that machine, and suddenly the internet problem is fixed.
It's definitely time for that NIC to go!
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19. February 2012 @ 13:57 |
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I'm beginning to think the pop I heard was the pump/cooler of the coolit. I can find absolutely nothing wrong with the GTX 260. If the pop I heard was the GPU, there would have to be a telltale sign. Since the video became garbled almost instantaneously though, the fluid either affected the GPU somehow, affected the northbridge perhaps, or the CPU overheated rapidly, due to heat not being removed(it actually is quite possible). A CPU overheat could manifest itself in different ways eh? The only way to know 100% is to plug in the 260, and see what happens :S
I compared the 260's board, to an image I found online. It looked virtually identical. As though my board was the one in the picture. Caps look good, Microcomponents look identical. I can find nothing burned, or missing.
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19. February 2012 @ 14:02 |
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Not burnt doesn't mean not broken. It's your call, but the symptoms you displayed to me suggest with almost certainty part of the card has been damaged, and I don't like plugging in known faulty hardware, for fear it may damage something else. I have had lots of failed faulty hardware, and very rarely is there ever a physical sign of trauma, not even in the more spectacular cases. Not even the Qtec PSU that set fire to one of my old systems showed any signs of being damaged on the inside.
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19. February 2012 @ 14:05 |
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Yah, I still wonder about the GPU. It got a serious douse of fluid. I imagine if the problem is serious enough:
It won't post
It beeps
And if it's something minor, I'll get garbled video signal, or no signal at all. It is tempting. But it's the only Motherboard I have at the moment LOL! I'd sure hate to sell it on ebay, always wondering if it was a fluke.
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19. February 2012 @ 14:07 |
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Yeah, then don't risk it, until you have a system you can afford to take down.
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20. February 2012 @ 18:07 |
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I prime95'd it LOL! After thirty minutes it reached 44C. I ramped up the exhaust fan to 1650Rpms to see if it would have an effect. No. In fact, during the entire stress test, it bounced around rather erratically. 43 - 46C. 46C did not last very long when it would hit that point. It seemed to average 44C overall. The northbridge hovered between 48 - 49C. Ambient temperature was 76F at start, and 77F at end(25C). I think 3.7Ghz is a nice happy medium. Though I'm sure I could go more. I guess we'll see what this summer will allow ;)
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20. February 2012 @ 18:11 |
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Undoubtedly, warm summer temperatures make an enormous difference.
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