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6. October 2013 @ 00:55 |
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I've found out that it's quite a well known issue that affected some of the later runs. Nothing to do with the cooler, airflow, or the mounting or TIM. The card is simply faulty. A shame because it performed properly, just ran so hot that it damaged itself. XFX's cards with custom coolers don't seem to have the issue. They screwed something up on their PCBs, so the cooler either doesn't make full contact, or the power management is screwed. Not the first time I've seen an overheating XFX 6970.
You didn't exactly get lucky Sam, but you did avoid the bad batch of cards. I'm not surprised that yours are fine. Most of them are. I think it was the last production run that had the issue, as this card was bought around the same time that Newegg reviews started mentioning this issue. After the HD6970 had gone out of production.
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There may also have been a percentage chance of defects from earlier on, and the last batch sold were all ex-RMA cards. That does happen sometimes. One can only speculate :P
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That's certainly a possibility. My point being though, the card was not a fluke and the issue was well known to XFX. Strange that they would try so hard to avoid giving me my double lifetime warranty. Only hurts their reputation. Especially after they replaced one of my 6850s instantly. I can understand business, but they're not going to shut me up by sending me the same broken product over and over again.
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Originally posted by ddp:
when we last fought you in the 1800's
CANADA AND OTHER WARS
Seriously, dude, you're talking almost 200 years ago!!!!! I am not sure my history books went back that far - you know - it was only about the recent wars we have won, like Korea and Grenada and Vietnam. Plus Iraq and Afghanistan and Pakistan, although we are still fighting to take control of Pakistan, where recently we did have a nice helicopter mission and took out one of their major leaders Osama something or other.
I don't think we are fighting India yet, but maybe they're next. :)
Kevin for sure is NOT participating in the war on pornography - that much I am certain of.
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I thought I'd finally plug the PS3 back in and start playing 5 again. I'm not as good as I remember me being :(
Isn't rust a wonderful thing!!! I have a word doc, with hyperlinks to the games, which are in alphabetical order. It started with Far Cry 2, where the map was introduced in the beginning, but the key to zoom the map is nowhere to be found in the controls, as it is not re-assignable. I was absent from the game for a while, and I had to start all over again to find it.
But just plain old rust, from not jamming keyboard strokes and mouse movements, cannot be fixed from a few paragraphs on tweaks and key assignments. I too have been off for a while - midstream in fighting the biggest baddest monster in Tomb Raider. Literally mid-stream - they had a save when I first damaged the giant hundreds-of-years-old buddha monster - and now they are sending in archers to help him out. LOL
NEHALEM WARS
Meantime I pulled some all-nighters trying to overclock this beast of an old i7 - I got the base clock up to 184, which would get me to 4 ghz if I could get the cpu multiple back up from 14 to 22, or even 21 - but just going to 15 is not stable!!! This is the way a bunch said to do it - FIND OUT HOW FAST YOU CAN GET THE BASE CLOCK.
They told me to throttle back the cpu multiple, and then work the voltages on some of the others. I suppose the reasoning was to test the uncore and memory. Well, about the time I hit 170 base, up from stock 133, I switched down to a 6 to one memory multiple, down from 8 to 1, and that let my memory simmer on down to almost not overclocked at all. I thought that was great, and like I say, I got to 184 pretty stable. But now, no multiple increases on cpu.
So I'm down at 2.75 ghz, way down from stock 2.93, and way down from 3.2 when I was doing it my way. I am wondering if it is that 6 to 1 memory multiplier. I have to run one of the multiples (vtt?, occ? qpi? - the last all-nighter was 8 days ago - I've been moving a person out of a 20-year rental for the past week) at twice the multiple of the memory, and they say over twice is really nice for stability - but lowest for that is 16x, so 8x memory satisfies the two to one requirement, while dropping memory to 6 to 1 wayyyy oversatisfies that requirement, and maybe messes up my cpu multiple. So my next move might be to put memory back up to 8 to 1, and see if the memory will run that fast at the 184 (it held up to 1356 mhz at the 170 base, with the 8 to 1.) Maybe that is stopping my cpu multiplier. But that would be 1467 on the memory - I doubt it will go that fast.
My calculations tell me that if I can get to 3.8, that will be about an 18% cpu increase from what I have now. My current hsf, the Arctic 13 in the little Lian Li case, is not holding me back - because nothing is getting hot enough - it is unstable way before it gets hot! Seriously, I would love to see some over-heating - that is something I could deal with.
If I can get to even 3.5 with this hsf, that might give me hope that I could get to 3.8 with the TRUE in the new case.
Otherwise maybe I have to face the possibility that I have a poor overclocker chip - or maybe, actually, it might be that the slow 1066 crucial memory is holding me back.
But if I had to buy $200 worth of fast memory to solve that problem, then I figure that I might as well spend $400 more and also get a motherboard and a haswell 4670 and push that (delidded like blaze recommended) to 4.2 - 4.5 GHz, with a resultant 80-100% gain in cpu power. Which is what Sam has been saying all along!
I need to be thinking 4k, even if that is more like beginning of 2015 for Sam, and beginning of 2017 for me.
But wait, 2017? - that's what? - three whole years from now. Well, in that case, forget 4k. I'll let Sam march on ahead and work out the kinks. Like Jeff, I'll follow a little slower into that brave new world. So then, what makes sense for me, is something to hold me for three years, until the new 4k build - beginning of 2017.
That 4k build is going to be all new hardware, keeping just the TRUE and the case.
So yeah, maybe just chuck the idea of nehalem, and get Haswell, unless the tick, or tock, after Haswell, is about to show up sometime before next summer.
JEFF'S HOT NEW HARDWARE!
Hey Jeff, everything sounds great on all fronts. Did you know, that having girls as friends helps other girls be attracted to you - like you're not somebody abusive, you're a guy who gets along okay with girls.
So hang onto that friendship - and congrats on that new replacement board.
It is so nice to hear you having your prior usual hardware success rather than the more recent frustrations with memory limitations! That way you can find some more golden nugget games like the ones you always come up with, such as the OF series, and Angelina Jolie.
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Crysis 2 with mods formerly 15-30 with a single 6850, 30-45 in Crossfire, 40-60 with the HD6970, now 50-80. Ultra smooth and quite visually stunning with the HD mod.
Wait, I have to adjust my hearing aid (as good old Russ said to me onetime when I told him his new blue hard drive was NOT an enterprise drive) did I actually catch you saying something very nice about crysis 2 graphics? "Visually stunning" - there - I looked again. Yes you did say it!
What is this wonderful mod you are talking about?
And by the way, Jeff, nice writeup on your battle with XFX. The prose clearly started gaining momentum and it was easy to see that they were about to have to deal with quite a formidable foe.
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I have friends with legal experience telling me to sue, so how is this going to happen guys?
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8. October 2013 @ 04:23 |
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Just so you know, moving to 4K has zero effect on your processing requirements directly, as resolution is entirely down to the graphics capability. Normally of course, faster graphics and faster processor go hand in hand, but if you're worried about running the same games at the same settings at a higher res, CPUs have got nothing to do with it.
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8. October 2013 @ 04:46 |
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Wait, I have to adjust my hearing aid (as good old Russ said to me onetime when I told him his new blue hard drive was NOT an enterprise drive) did I actually catch you saying something very nice about crysis 2 graphics? "Visually stunning" - there - I looked again. Yes you did say it!
What is this wonderful mod you are talking about?
http://maldotex.blogspot.com/2013/02/ma...al-version.html
Everything you need to know. Looks absolutely awesome. Really shines Crysis 2 up. I do turn off the special AA methods, but for the rest of it I just let the mod do its job. Really what Crysis 2 should have looked and PERFORMED like. Yes, it actually performs better, but uses more video memory. Thus, the 1GB cards not liking the mod. Really an excellent mod. Fixes many issues I had with the graphics, and makes the game a true equal to its predecessor in graphical fidelity.
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And by the way, Jeff, nice writeup on your battle with XFX. The prose clearly started gaining momentum and it was easy to see that they were about to have to deal with quite a formidable foe.
I like to think I just did what was needed to get my warranty. If it says lifetime, it better mean it! I want to be able to exchange it in 20 years, if the company still exists. Otherwise, what good is the warranty? They did indeed deliver though. The 7870 is a fine card. Very quiet, runs cool, overclocks to GHz-Edition specs like nothing, performs quite well. Actually a bit faster overall than the 6970, which was a factory OC'd XXX Edition. Too bad as I would be using the 7870 right now, but the GTX760 OC is such a beast that I won't even bother with it. Off it goes to make me money :)
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Yeah at 1920x1200 it probably will be. At 2560x1600 it may have been the other way round.
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8. October 2013 @ 14:35 |
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harvardguy, korea was a stalmate not a win which is why there is a truce not a peace treaty. in vietnam, the us won the battles but lost the war. the 2nd gulf war plus invasion of iraq was an illegal act not sanctioned by the un unlike the 1st gulf war & korea. pakistan is not at war with the us as they have internal issues because of what is going on in afghanistan. osama bin laden is not a pakistani leader as he is from saudi arabia.
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8. October 2013 @ 23:10 |
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Originally posted by Sam:
Just so you know, moving to 4K has zero effect on your processing requirements directly, as resolution is entirely down to the graphics capability. Normally of course, faster graphics and faster processor go hand in hand, but if you're worried about running the same games at the same settings at a higher res, CPUs have got nothing to do with it.
Actually I did not know that. (Somewhere in a corner of my brain a month ago I paused for a millisecond and wondered if it was all just more graphics work, but then I promptly forgot about it - so thanks for clarifying that.) In that case, Haswell could keep paying dividends for a while - do you see another Intel tick or tock before next summer?
Wow, Jeff, that Crysis 2 mod is some deal! The screenshots are awesome! I should be able to run it okay, since I played the whole game with just one 7950. That was a year ago I think - and I really enjoyed the game - so maybe by next summer I'll be ready for a replay. Assuming it performs great, what do you think is an appropriate donation for all his hard work - five bucks? ..... ten bucks?
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harvardguy, korea was a stalmate not a win which is why there is a truce not a peace treaty. in vietnam, the us won the battles but lost the war. the 2nd gulf war plus invasion of iraq was an illegal act not sanctioned by the un unlike the 1st gulf war & korea. pakistan is not at war with the us as they have internal issues because of what is going on in afghanistan. osama bin laden is not a pakistani leader as he is from saudi arabia.
Thanks for setting me straight ddp. I assume you're okay with the other information about how we successfully invaded Canada multiple times?
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8. October 2013 @ 23:21 |
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oh yeah, no problem except the states never successfully invaded canada as we beat you back each time, we're still an independent country & not part of the united states but part of north america..
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9. October 2013 @ 02:54 |
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The next tick will be Broadwell, a die-shrink of Haswell, so only efficiency improvements, no real performance difference - same as the last three :P
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This is what I prefer. Any resolution under 480P, is obviously not worth my time :p
480P (mpeg-2/DVD) 3,000Kb/s, H264 .5 - 1.5mbps
720P 4,000 - 5,000Kb/s
1080P 7,000Kb/s minimum. (I've seen impressive results under 7,000)
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9. October 2013 @ 15:47 |
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Some rather contrasting new titles here...
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harvardguy
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18. October 2013 @ 00:49 |
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Shadow Warrior? Never heard of it (thank god.)
Originally posted by ddp:
we're still an independent country & not part of the united states but part of north america..
Wait, you said you're not one of the states, but you're an American? Oh, I get it, like Puerto Rico. So when do you guys think you'll become a state? Are you willing to give up pledging allegiance to the Queen? I wouldn't ask Sam to do that, but he's not an American.
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The next tick will be Broadwell, a die-shrink of Haswell, so only efficiency improvements, no real performance difference - same as the last three :P
Well, die-shrink is good, right? - thinner traces = less heat = easier to overclock?
Sam, speaking of Americans, when are you going to start playing Dishonoured which is basically set in London? (I corrupted the spelling just for you - don't adjust it ddp, that's how they misspell it over there.) Or have you started already? I have the feeling that it will play well on the 6970s. I think I'm going to post some shots of one of the DLCs to that game on the builder thread for everybody to enjoy - some scary shots of the Brigmore Manor witches!! Killer DLC!
No nudity Kevin, sorry to say. But the girls are kind of hot anyway.
I still haven't gotten back to Lara Croft, where there IS nudity, but I don't have time to enjoy it as I'm slugging it out with a fiendish several-hundred-year old GIANT Buddha monster, who is kicking my butt. Someday I'll go back, about the time that Sam starts on Dishonoured, meaning 2015.
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I'm just never gonna hear the end of that LOL!
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18. October 2013 @ 19:34 |
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Well I don't know about "never" - just not for 5 or 10 more years. :P
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18. October 2013 @ 21:46 |
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harvardguy, Puerto Rico is a territory of the us wereas canada is not a territory of the us. maybe we'll take over the us if you default on the national debt next year as our debt level is a lot lower than yours, approx $500 billion Can compared to $16 trillion US.
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Sam, those charts make me relatively happy. Minimum 60FPS is still in crazy territory for most gamers. Average seems to be just within my grasp though. Perfect ;)
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Just a heads up, Rome 2 Total War is a major disappointment in many areas. They've made the UI worse after years of refining the current one. The graphics are inconsistent and at times laughable. Nowhere near close to previews of the running game. Performance is horrendous, even though it looks worse than Shogun II and Empire, both of which were impressive. Rome 2 is due for a texture patch or pack. The textures seem like they aren't fully loading in, they are so low res and muddy.
The unit AI is extremely glitchy and often ignores commands or runs in the opposite direction of what you click. Sometimes just wandering around the battlefield after being given an attack order. Ships randomly plow up onto land and spin in circles. Campaign AI's will build huge armies then send a single unit to attack you at a time, basically wasting resources for nothing. Campaign AI is also very passive, and hardly ever makes aggressive pushes on you. The diplomacy is also inconsistent as factions will do things seemingly on a whim, regardless of your efforts at building relations. Units charge at eachother then start slow dancing with fighting animations without actually fighting, etc etc etc. The list goes on.
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I won't give it a review yet due to one single fact. Empire was equally as glitchy, and improved drastically with patches. Went from unplayable buggy, to one of my most played games ever. Shogun was great on release, but still needed some patching for stability and performance. The Total War games seem to work a lot better on smaller, concentrated maps.
The mod community will also be heavily involved in making this game great. DarthMod comes to mind. The DarthMod developer simply takes each Total War title and adds a layer of polish and a few stylish flourishes here and there, while straightening out some of the more glaring historical inaccuracies. They also fix up the campaign and battle AI, and make them handle many situations much better and be more aggressive, to make for a challenging opponent. It also alters the diplomacy so everything makes sense, and working to build relations with other countries will yield benefits later on. DarthMod is to Total War as Complete Mod is to Stalker. A giant enhancement package that doesn't alter, only improves. Fixes what the developers' lack of time caused. DarthMod Empire is my preferred strategy title of the last few months. Empire is very good but flawed even after patches. DarthMod makes it incredible. I love playing as the British and conquering India :D
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Predictions were accurate for the R9 290X - it's about 40% better than the HD7970GE or R9 280X, which renders it slightly better than a Titan, for about 65% of the price. That price is of course still 230% of the cost of an HD7970GE or R9 280X, so 'better' value it is. 'good value', hmm, not so sure :D
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Originally posted by ddp:
harvardguy, Puerto Rico is a territory of the us wereas canada is not a territory of the us. maybe we'll take over the us if you default on the national debt next year as our debt level is a lot lower than yours, approx $500 billion Can compared to $16 trillion US.
Hmmmm. Take us over? Not before we elect Hillary, please.
So how many Canucks are there? About 30 million, right? And we have about 300 million? So you've got one-tenth the population and one-thirtieth the debt? I always knew you guys were a bunch of savers and "no thanks I'll pay cash" types. That clinches it, you can't become a state. You're not cut from the good old American cloth of living paycheck to paycheck mortgaged to the hilt. You probably don't even have 10 credit cards! What's in YOUR wallet - green stuff, not good old plastic. Borrrring!!
Wow, Jeff, your gaming diversity is astonishing. And that modding community you are tapped into is unbelievable as well.
Hey guys, back to a title that you, Jeff, convinced me to try after I bad-mouthed it "Oh you mean those freaks in the subway tunnel!" Hahahaha. That's what I said about Metro 2033. I was totally not interested, and so very wrong about it!
Actually I was right - freaks in a subway tunnel - and they're headed my way. Holy Sh*t!
In fact I was telling somebody today about how Stalin, no matter what you think about him otherwise, almost single-handedly defeated Hitler. Then I added how Russians love video games - I just read that Steam has had great success in adding millions of users in Russia, after they were told they would encounter nothing but piracy. Anyway, then I was talking about Metro - about Artyom - and how some great games are coming out of Russia.
Oh no it's the freaks again - f**ing mutants - they've killed everybody!
So, over the last few days I have played the 6 new DLC missions for Metro: Last Light, and let me tell you they are worth the money. Two of the 6 not quite as much, but the other four are totally excellent. And over the last two days I beat the one that takes you back to the Moscow Library of the first Metro 2033, and you get to have new fun with the Librarian again - including the more aggressive types in the basement, just like before. But this time you have claymores - I don't know if they were in the first game but I know that I didn't use them - but this time Yes, to great effect!
OMG - those mutants are f*ing scary! But I'm close to the fire, so they keep back.
Kevin, it's not all mutants and scary stuff, there's the strip bar, with nudity!
Finally, a break from the bloodshed! Nobody gunning for me here.
Yeah, Kevin, but no lapdances. At least none for me.
These commissars are having fun. This is the censored shot - just imagine!
Here it is Kev - the private peep show!
They even have a fake rip-off "peep" show that your buddy tells you to stay away from, not like this great one!
But in the Library DLC, one of the amazing, incredible touches, was that the weaponeer of the library relic-finding group, has a little pet on his shoulder, or most of the time sleeping noisily in a little cage, which looks very much like an iguana.
Right there on his shoulder!
But last night seeing it again, it occurred to me that it is a baby mutant. I love reptiles! I had an iguana, and a true chameleon, among others.
Here's a little bit more of a closeup!
The little thing moves around very nicely - and makes the loudest weirdest noises when it sleeps in the open-top cage. A few times coming back to base to save game and restock, it was neither in the cage or on his shoulder - I looked all around for it - but it reappeared later sleeping again. That "iguana/mutant" pet is a very nice touch indeed and I probably have a dozen screenshots just of that in order to capture a good one.
What do you guys think - is it an iguana, or a cute, tiny baby killer mutant?
Speaking of screenies, I'm still planning to post those witches screenshots also from the Dishonoured (misspelled for Sam) DLC.
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Predictions were accurate for the R9 290X - it's about 40% better than the HD7970GE or R9 280X, which renders it slightly better than a Titan, for about 65% of the price. That price is of course still 230% of the cost of an HD7970GE or R9 280X, so 'better' value it is. 'good value', hmm, not so sure :D
Yeah, but that's still not good enough for 4k, right?
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Hey guys, I have a small problem. Often when I turn on the gaming rig, the video card does not engage, meaning that the Dell screen light stays red, rather than turning blue when it is getting a signal. It didn't happen tonight, but I stand there and watch the keyboard activate, by which time the screen should already have kicked in. If not I hit the reboot button. What I am forced to do is reboot, and then sort of wiggle the dvi connection which I now leave loose for that reason. What is going on? Is it my cable, connection on the card, or what? I have another very high-end cable that I could try? Has anybody else had this problem?
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I like the look of those mutants! These are screenshots of metro 2033?
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Omega, Metro Last Light :) I do, however, find nudity in games distasteful more often than not. Nothing but shock value. Can draw away from the game's other qualities. I prefer my nudity separated from my hobbies if you know what I mean...
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Thanks Jeff. It looks like I should probably play 2033 if I want to stick with the story line though ;)
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