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29. September 2013 @ 07:05 |
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Haha Rich, I think she and I are going to stay friends and nothing more from now on. It didn't work out in the end, but nothing really went sour either. Differences in character that never resolved themselves :( I guess I don't like to broadcast my relationship info, but you're curious :)
The new card is fantastic. Got the best one available, got good overclocking numbers out of it, getting good performance. Great little GPU. A high-end card in disguise. Pretty much a stock clock 7970 or close when overclocked.
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29. September 2013 @ 07:10 |
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Glad to hear things are amicable :)
Not PC gaming really, but after the mention of the Gran Turismo series during your GRiD 2 review, and remembering GT6 is due for release fairly soon I thought I'd finally plug the PS3 back in and start playing 5 again. I'm not as good as I remember me being :(
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29. September 2013 @ 07:13 |
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Driving skills grow dull when they aren't sharpened :)
All of my best Gran Turismo memories are from GT1 and GT2. GT2 had amazing physics and graphics for the PS1. Plus, off-road racing! One of the many reasons I use emulators. Also, many emulators are Nvidia-biased for whatever reasons, partly driving the purchase of this video card. The PS2 still takes quite a bit of grunt, but the large majority of titles can be run perfectly with enough brute force. Would possibly take an OC'd current-gun Intel to run some games. Even more for a few. It doesn't use multi-core very well, so only the first two cores make a big difference. Gamecube/Wii is similar, it takes a lot of grunt, but most games can be run nearly perfectly. I really need to get a Bluetooth adapter for my desktop, and play more Wii titles. I loathe the console, not the excellent games.
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I found this very illuminating as they have achieved a similar overclock on the 2GB version of my card and compare it to its direct predecessor, the 660 Ti.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/07/...o_card_review/1
Shows what kind of gains I've made, and how it competes with a mid range AMD between the 6850 and 6970.
BTW, I finally got XFX to stop arguing with me about the overheating 6970. 7870 non-GHz being sent out at no cost to me. Thank you once again for coming clean XFX :) Will be up for sale possibly. Someone PM me an offer and I'll see if it's possible.
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Happy that they replaced the card for you, but a standard HD7870 is a poor excuse for a replacement in my opinion. That's a $175 card replacing a fault with a card that was originally worth $350, but I suppose it offers fairly similar performance.
I'd love to play emulated Wii/Gamecube games on my PC, but the standard of emulation is absolutely abysmal. The highest rating for 'plays perfectly, no issues' on GC/wii emulation forums is what I consider unplayable - frame rate up and down like a yoyo, and due to frame rate synchronisation that means the whole game speed goes up and down, which makes things impossible to play. Music is missing or doesn't play properly in almost any title, and what games do have proper sound, it'll just suddenly stop and not play again until you reset the emulator. Credit where it's due for trying, but I wrote off Gamecube/Wii emulation as a technical impossibility a long time ago, it just isn't worth the frustration. Fortunately it's still easy to get hold of those consoles. The older 8, 16 and 32-bit consoles tend to emulate largely fine. N64 emulation's not perfect and has some sync/lag issues, but not in a large number of titles (e.g. Mario 64 seems fine, Super Smash bros is fine but pauses every hour or so for a couple of seconds for no reason, and Mario Kart 64 plays ok but DK Jungle Parkway inexplicable runs at double speed). I've not really experimented much with PS2 emulation, it's only recently mine was disconnected.
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1. October 2013 @ 07:49 |
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A new 6970 or a card of similar performance was what I requested. That's what they sent. The 7870 is a bit faster too from a quick glance, so I think it's an okay deal. The 6970 is not in production anymore. They could have done worse and not offered me anything. They did right and replaced the video card with something just as good. Plus, overclocking it to GHz-Edition specs takes about 30 seconds.
Emulation of the Gamecube/PS2 has really taken off in the last year or so.
I play the large majority of Gamecube games I want to nearly flawlessly. Not a user-friendly interface by any stretch. The trick is in how you set the emulator up, and compatibility improves drastically with every new version. I have played many games to completion with ~99% flawless performance, graphics, and sound. I have dozens of games. Most of the glitches you're having make it seem like your sound settings are not correct. Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, both Pikmin games, Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, Mario Sunshine, Mario Double Dash, the Star Fox games, all the good RPGs, both Metroid Prime games, etc, etc. Most of the really good games have full support. You just look up what settings to run on the Dolphin wiki. Not super simple, but the emulation community has gotten quite organized finally.
I own a Gamecube and all of those games, but the composite cables produce a poor image on an LCD and the component cables are $100+ due to rarity.
PS2 emulation is in a similar state to GC/Wii emulation. Very developed and the large majority of games can be played to completion with relatively few glitches. There is a wiki that contains most of the solutions. Some PS2 games are simply very demanding to run properly and require something like a 4.5GHz+ Sandy Bridge.
http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/Metal_G...Sons_of_Liberty
Another reason I emulate is that none of the consoles will let you play the games at 1080p. Emulators will. The only ones I really can't run but want to are the Rogue Squadron games for the Gamecube.
N64 about 95% of games will run flawlessly with a proper video plugin. Again all in how it's set up.
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1. October 2013 @ 08:00 |
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
A new 6970 or a card of similar performance was what I requested. That's what they sent. The 7870 is a bit faster too from a quick glance, so I think it's an okay deal. The 6970 is not in production anymore. They could have done worse and not offered me anything. They did right and replaced the video card with something just as good. Plus, overclocking it to GHz-Edition specs takes about 30 seconds.
Emulation of the Gamecube/PS2 has really taken off in the last year or so.
I play the large majority of Gamecube games I want to nearly flawlessly. Not a user-friendly interface by any stretch. The trick is in how you set the emulator up, and compatibility improves drastically with every new version. I have played many games to completion with ~99% flawless performance, graphics, and sound. I have dozens of games. Most of the glitches you're having make it seem like your sound settings are not correct. Wind Waker, Twilight Princess, both Pikmin games, Paper Mario Thousand Year Door, Mario Sunshine, Mario Double Dash, the Star Fox games, all the good RPGs, both Metroid Prime games, etc, etc. Most of the really good games have full support. You just look up what settings to run on the Dolphin wiki. Not super simple, but the emulation community has gotten quite organized finally.
I own a Gamecube and all of those games, but the composite cables produce a poor image on an LCD and the component cables are $100+ due to rarity.
PS2 emulation is in a similar state to GC/Wii emulation. Very developed and the large majority of games can be played to completion with relatively few glitches. There is a wiki that contains most of the solutions.
http://wiki.pcsx2.net/index.php/Metal_G...Sons_of_Liberty
Another reason I emulate is that none of the consoles will let you play the games at 1080p. Emulators will. The only ones I really can't run but want to are the Rogue Squadron games for the Gamecube.
N64 about 95% of games will run flawlessly with a proper video plugin. Again all in how it's set up.
I spent a good few days on it, carefully copying the recommended guides off the various forums. The issues I listed were as good as I could get - it took a long time to get any sort of response out of the emulators at all. Resolution though I agree, playing the N64 at 2560x1600 with anti-aliasing is quite something, when you're used the original :D
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1. October 2013 @ 08:07 |
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It has become much easier recently as many things have been streamlined and ironed out. Dolphin for Gamecube has advanced steadily. PCSX2 is the choice PS2 emulator, and while advancing slowly, is already quite capable. I have put hundreds of relatively glitch-free hours in on it. I may have better luck than you though, or a different taste in games. Emulating is somewhat of an art ;)
If you're attempting Wii games support might not be as good or they may be more demanding. Also, disable Crossfire.
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1. October 2013 @ 14:10 |
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Wii emulation? I've not heard of too many Wii like controllers for the PC :S Not really that interested yet anyhow. My Wii is still running like a champ. Probably because I rarely use it. It's certainly a lot better of a console, with Homebrew installed ;)
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Get a Bluetooth adapter and the proper drivers and the WiiMote works for the PC.
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2. October 2013 @ 00:08 |
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Nice!!! Thanks for that Jeff! ;)
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2. October 2013 @ 00:17 |
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Been playing some Metro Last Light lately. Currently averaging about 65FPS. Lowest I've seen it get is into the low 40s. Regular gameplay is like 50-70FPS. Very High settings, Tessellation and Motion Blur at Normal, PhysX On, AAA which is effectively a subtle built-in FXAA filter. Looks and plays absolutely awesome.
Stalker Call of Pripyat formerly in the 40s due to a video memory shortage with mods, ~80FPS average. World of tanks which was formerly in the teens, 50-60FPS. War Thunder formerly in the 40s and 50s, sometimes in the teens due to lack of video memory, 80+ FPS at nearly all times. Crysis 2 with mods formerly 15-30 with a single 6850, 30-45 in Crossfire, 40-60 with the HD6970, now 50-80. Ultra smooth and quite visually stunning with the HD mod.
Skyrim used to choke on the 6850s and stutter horribly. 15-45FPS on a single card, 20-60 in crossfire. Horrible stuttering that simply ruined any chance of enjoying the game. The 6970 eliminated the stuttering, but it came back when I tried to apply HD texture mods. Now I have every single mod applied, locked at 60, zero stuttering. Only dips to ~45 in really populated towns with tons of detail, but again no stuttering to speak of. Super super smooth throughout. 4GB of VRAM made all the difference here.
I did miss out on a bit with the 7970 going on-sale less than a week after my purchase, but the card continues to prove itself. It really is a very powerful GPU, and well suited to my resolution. Finding myself surprised at the gains when overclocked. The 7950GE I was considering cannot compete with this. A high-end card in disguise as a mid-range card. The 7870 would have been much nicer than what I had, but Gigabyte and Nvidia put together a decent video card.
Looking at benchmarks and comparing to my own performance shows the 1090T is not a bottleneck for this card at all. Like nearly to the decimal matching online reviews with OC'd Sandy Bridges. Would be curious to try SLI or a higher end card and see if that remains the case. Also runs X Wing Alliance in 3D hardware mode which the latest Catalyst removed.
Basically very surprised at the performance of this card, especially with to the decent overclock. Exceeding my expectations even after having done the homework beforehand. Not a bad card at all, and runs very cool to boot.
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You have to remember, even the HD6970 is a three year old card now :P
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2. October 2013 @ 03:24 |
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Amazing. I remember all the hype about that card. Has it been that long already? :S
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2. October 2013 @ 08:07 |
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Afraid so (December 2010). I mean, it's still a decent card, but you can get levels of performance not far off it using pretty small, inexpensive cards now. My HD7770 is a good three quarters as powerful as a HD6970, and that was £90 a year ago, they're £75 now. If the R9 290X is as powerful as it's suggested to be, the HD6970's really going to start looking old-fashioned soon. Still, until there's something that can genuinely outpace my pair of them without needing crossfire, I think I'm going to stick with them. With the beta driver mayhem going on at AMD of late, I don't want anything to do with crossfire from a new generation. Technically speaking I've already got my displayport outputs so I'm 4K ready on the current cards.
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You know me, always hanging around behind the curve so I can be cheap :D I guess it's a philosophy I learned from watching my dad work on cars. Do what you can with what you have, and do it nice. Quite happy where I'm at. Not starved for performance anymore. A 990 board coming this winter though I think. We'll see. Would make a second card feasible in the future and should give some small improvements in several areas :)
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On the subject of the curve, allegedly the first generation AMD R series, or at least some of it launches this time next week.
It goes roughly as follows:
R9 290X: New Volcanic Islands card, branded as 'Titan Killer' - 2816 SPs (vs. 2048 in 7970), 44 ROPs at 4 TMUs each (vs. 32 ROPs at 4 TMUs each in HD7970) @ 800Mhz. 4GB VRAM on 512-bit bus at 4500-5000mhz depending on variant. Release date uncertain, may release next week. $600 / £450-£480.
R9 280X: Rebrand of HD7970GE. $300 / £220. Factory overclocked cards at 1070/6400 expected at launch for $330 / £250.
R7 260X: Rebrand of HD7790. $140 / £110.
R7 240: Modified version of HD8570, $90 / £70.
Price drops of the GTX770/780 are inbound to match these, but it's not known when these will come, or what they will be.
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Originally posted by Estuansis:
You know me, always hanging around behind the curve so I can be cheap :D I guess it's a philosophy I learned from watching my dad work on cars. Do what you can with what you have, and do it nice. Quite happy where I'm at. Not starved for performance anymore. A 990 board coming this winter though I think. We'll see. Would make a second card feasible in the future and should give some small improvements in several areas :)
My subconscious thinks that way all by itself. The idea for my generator just clicked. Light Bulb! LOL! I haven't built it yet, because money is a constant problem for me :S Til I get it built, hopefully. I'm gonna have a hard time making money off it though, since i'm such a giving person...
I refuse to build a cheap prototype though. SO, it's gonna cost me roughly 400 - 600 USD. But, since it's relatively free energy(Self sustained), that money will pay for itself :D
So is the Titan still the champion?
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The R9 290X is likely to best the Titan in the majority of neutrally-biased titles. AMD say it will render the Titan's performance laughable. In practice, it'll be 5-10% better. Still, better is better, and at $400 less money, it will make the Titan a laughable purchase, not that it isn't already of course...
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2. October 2013 @ 17:15 |
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Indeed. I don't like the idea of spending $1,000 on a GPU. That's quite out of the question LOL!
Where do you get the 5 - 10% better? This site, suggests their being VERY similar potential. Though I only briefly checked. And if AMD is $400 cheaper, it's a no brainer LOL!
http://n4g.com/news/1365331/amd-r9-290x...tan-not-exactly
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Sites like this one:
http://wccftech.com/amd-hawaii-r9290x-g...hz-clock-speed/
It's all hearsay up to this point, but when you're very close to release, you'd be surprised how often rumours are accurate.
I spent $1100 on a graphics card once. It was DOA, so was its replacement. I have not spent $1100 on a graphics card, or bought anything from that brand (Sapphire) since.
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Yeah, I recall your problems with the sapphire card/s. I recall how irritated you were. Anybody would be ;)
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Call it a learning experience. It taught me how bad Sapphire were as a manufacturer, how good CCL were as a retailer for handling it how they did, and I ended up profiting from it, as not only did I get reimbursed an extra £35 beyond the full value (the cost my bank would have charged me for defaulting on rent if the refund had come a day later) for a late refund, I also got to keep the free game install I used as part of the product, so I ended up £60's worth up. Only 7% of the value of the purchase and the 20 or so hours of troubleshooting weren't really worth it, but it was a nice touch. In the end waiting another 6 months got me 20% more performance at 70% of the price, with little additional noise. I can handle that :)
The guys at CCL attend the Multiplay LAN party events I go to every August, I actually met the guy that handled the order at the event and thanked him in person for the good service. I feel guilty about not having used them more often since to be honest, but unfortunately being a smaller shop they don't always have what I want to buy, and latterly I'm using Amazon lockers for the most part to have my stuff delivered. Now that I'm a Bybox subscriber though, I suspect I may use companies like CCL again more often when stuff's not available on Amazon.
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Kinda miffed about a few things but have otherwise had good experiences doing returns or replacements with most companies. Newegg have a good system in place, so even with their increasing size, they still manage to keep good customer service.
I have to say XFX was both by far the most frustrating and most pleasant to work with on different occasions. I just sent that 6970 to XFX three times and had it sent back to me twice before I was able to get their support techs to quit openly lying to my face.
The 6970 had an overheating problem since new, and by the time it got to me, required 80-100% fan for gaming and still touched the 90s at times. Just as the 760 arrived the first time from FedEx with enough battle damage to drop a Krogan, the 6970 started artifacting in games and had persistent desktop corruption after running any sort of 3D. Also, the displayport died.
I sent the card to XFX with these exact symptoms. I explained everything to them in clear English. That the card was faulty since new, and was now damaged. The first time they simply re-TIM'd the card and cleaned the cooler and sent it back. They told me that they had run overnight stress tests on it and everything checked out fine. That was lie number one. The card was incapable of handling any sort of 3D rendering, and still ran just as hot. Also, the displayport was still dead. They literally hadn't tested it at all.
So I send it back to them again. This time, they ASSURE me that the tests had been run, and the displayport was working, which was lie number two. They still hadn't tested the card, everything was still wrong with it. It was very obviously faulty, and any sort of stress test would have revealed that immediately. I tested it in multiple PCs.
So I send it back a third time. Now I'm pissed. This is starting to cost me money I don't have. I explain the situation, and that I have been directly lied to TWICE and have evidence to back it up. XFX is lying to me, failing to fulfill their warranty, and is costing me time, money, and the use of my hardware. I will not accept anything other than a new card of equivalent or greater performance and reimbursement for shipping them the same broken product twice before. I have friends with legal experience telling me to sue, so how is this going to happen guys? A few days later, the 7870 is shipped and I've received my $40 :)
I must say the whole experience has turned me off somewhat to XFX's products... Due to the overheating card, which is apparently pretty common on certain runs of XFX 6970s, and the way I've been treated by them in this situation.
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Most returns stories I hear about XFX (but tbh, almost all manufacturers) are the same. Unless I'm seriously out of pocket, as in several hundreds of pounds, I tend not to return stuff. It ain't worth it. Only things I RMA apart from that are hard disks and occasionally some DOA stuff. Too much work otherwise, you can end up spending money sending stuff back and still not having a working product. Besides, if I know the product is bad and a new model will only have similar issues I definitely don't RMA - that's as it was with the Asus motherboards I had except one (that exception still took a month and forcing a refund after several failed collections due to the retailer still using a bad courier).
For ref, both my HD6970s are XFX and they run fine at 50% fan speed tops.
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