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26. June 2008 @ 06:28 |
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no but then it aint 800MHZ RAM either :)
the problem is with that ram, is that really 1600mhz ram is the standard, as that is 400MMHZ effective. 1333 is just to low.
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26. June 2008 @ 06:32 |
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26. June 2008 @ 08:22 |
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shaffaaf,
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LP, IMO the PSU is the most important part of a rig, i always build around that.
The CPU should be your first consideration, followed by the MB and then the memory! You can go cheap anywhere else you like and still have a great computer. You can't do it without a good CPU, motherboard and memory! These three items are most important as they are the foundation of the computer. You can use a inexpensive drives, mouse and keyboard and still have a great performing computer because the computer will have it where it needs it the most.
Most people I've ever known, myself included, decide what CPU they want to use first, then search for a good compatible motherboard and good memory. Hell, you don't even need to think about the PSU until you've decided what you want to build. You buy a PSU to suit the need, created by what you decided to build, not the other way around!
I've built more computers than you have owned shoes in your life and it's always been the same. Decide on what CPU first, MB second and memory third. The power supply doesn't come into play until you get all the parts chosen, so you can figure out how much wattage you will need. I mean, you can start with a high dollar 1000w PSU and build a great computer, but how much money did you waste on total overkill? You need to know how much power you will need first or you'll just waste your money on power you can't use!
Best Regards,
Russ
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26. June 2008 @ 08:25 |
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You're on the right lines Russ, but I think a little lacking in emphasis on how crucial getting a quality PSU really is - you won't know how big a PSU you need until you get the other components, but you make it sound like any old unit will do the job - you of all people know that's not the case!
I probably sit in the PSU hot seat, as while I probably make the most emphasis on doing the power supply right as anyone, I'm also the most stubborn on not wasting money on overpowered units. It's depressing to see single GPU systems of any caliber running kilowatt PSUs...
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26. June 2008 @ 08:41 |
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i didnt say that i wouldnt choose the CPU first.
the way i go is CPU>mobo>RAM>GFX>HDD>optical>Cooling>case>PSU
BUT i still regard the PSU most important
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26. June 2008 @ 08:53 |
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I always find cooling & case being mentioned separately strange, given how important the case is for cooling a PC...
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26. June 2008 @ 09:04 |
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i meant CPU cooler and thermal paste etc
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26. June 2008 @ 09:07 |
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yeah, I know...
Sorry for showing off and all, but I thought some of you might find this picture quite funny...
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/7074/s5000539at8.jpg
Yeah I know the chest is manky - came with the student house, so I may as well make use of it..
Note that my main PC was running while taking this picture (no drives missing).
Man, I've spent too much on storage lately.
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26. June 2008 @ 11:20 |
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Sam, I think you have the largest storage treasure of the WORLD.
People will try to find the lost student house chest in 200 years.
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26. June 2008 @ 11:40 |
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lol three terabytes of storage will be pittance in even a dozen years, let alone 200!
In other, less happy news:
First BSOD on my new XP install...
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26. June 2008 @ 17:24 |
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Hey guys I got a question with the Blackline. The front audio connectors to the motherboard....Why is there an HD Audio connector AND an AC97?? You can't use both at the same time, can you?
And why are there extra single pin connectors attatched to them?? Do I connect the single pin ones or the bigger HD Audio/AC97 ones?
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26. June 2008 @ 18:22 |
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sammorris,
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You're on the right lines Russ, but I think a little lacking in emphasis on how crucial getting a quality PSU really is
I wasn't trying to downplay the role of the PSU, but rather trying to emphasize the general order of things needed and why you need to know the load before buying that quality PSU. Most people would never need more than 650 watts, let alone 1000w. Some, like myself don't need more than 500w, and I'm not even close to being underpowered! I'm well aware of how lucky I was to have been in the right place at the right time when that cheap PSU burst into sparks and flame. I'm well aware of how badly it could have turned out had I had been taking a nap, cause I'd be dead!
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I always find cooling & case being mentioned separately strange, given how important the case is for cooling a PC...
The problem is that most people buy a case for it's looks and it's internal layout, without a clue as to how they are going to cool it. They depend on the case manufacturer to get it right! To me there's something seriously wrong with a case's airflow design if it takes 8 or 10 case fans to get the temps reasonable. We are only talking about cooling a space about 3 to 5 cubic feet here. We can buy fans with incredible airflow capabilities these days, and can get all that air flowing through a case without difficulty. The problem is getting that air to flow where it's needed. That's what my little invention was all about. Sad to say that I've given up on that! It works, and works well but it's just too damn big and there's just not enough room in a lot of cases to use it. Besides, it's something that really needs to be built into the case to begin with. Great idea, but it's just not practical!
NZXT has the right idea with the three inside 120mm fans in the Khanos. That case should have no cooling problems whatsoever, and won't need a TRU or a TRUE to cool it either. Why? Because it keeps air moving through the areas inside the case that need it the most without affecting the case's front to rear airflow or altering the air pressure inside the case! It's brilliant!
Best Regards,
Russ
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26. June 2008 @ 18:56 |
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Alright who's the PAGE destroyer??? Someone needs to downsize their pic/image!! I'm having issues with a 19" screen and can't imagine the poor souls that might be using a 15" screen. :P
ON importance of components it makes total sense to start with the cpu, mobo, and RAM first then surround those components with the proper parts to make it a solid rig.
I LIKE the idea of looking at the psu as important but if you buy "quality" components (it doesn't matter what part/component) you'll be ahead of the game the first time. ;) Ask bigwill about cases, RedRob about psu's, me about all of it.. hehehe. I think we've all "skimped" out more than once but finally learned some sort of lesson and went on to build bigger and better systems. ;)
I try to be as simple as possible and most of the time I OVERKILL when it comes to psu!!! I'd rather have a little to much power than just NOT enough. :D I have a 850W and 1000W in my two upper end systems and I'm never gonna worry about NOT having enough power. hehehe. :P
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26. June 2008 @ 19:23 |
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mrk44,
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Hey guys I got a question with the Blackline. The front audio connectors to the motherboard....Why is there an HD Audio connector AND an AC97?? You can't use both at the same time, can you?
Because the AC97 one is for older motherboards, or motherboards that don't support or have HD Audio. You can't use both at the same time, nor would you need to!
Your X48 MB has the same ACL889A sound as my P35-DS3R, and it works great. Hopefully you will be able to use the Coax or Optical S/PDIF out to your sound system as it's the Bomb! My system allows me to choose between Analog and S/PDIF, and the difference in sound quality between the two is stunning! I've used a separate sound card with all my builds in the past, but the sound is so good with the on-board that my Sound Blaster Live 5.1 sits collecting dust now. I have no need for it anymore as the HD audio in my motherboard is superior to it!
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Alright who's the PAGE destroyer??? Someone needs to downsize their pic/image!! I'm having issues with a 19" screen and can't imagine the poor souls that might be using a 15" screen. :P
Sam's the guilty party! LOL!! Here's a hint! If you have a large pic, use the direct link so it doesn't mess up the page for everyone. BTW it's not the size of the monitor, it's the resolution that causes the problem. The lower the resolution, the bigger the problem!
Best Regards,
Russ
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26. June 2008 @ 20:07 |
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I just finished building...AND IT WORKS!!!! YAAAY!! Thank you guys sooo much!!!! And the Blackline is WHISPER quiet. Can't hear a thing.
And I had some trouble earlier with the Xigmatek push pins, took me an hour to fix it......hope it's stable enough....
Question: Do I really need the spoiler inside the heatsink?? I didn't put it in, and it works just fine...
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26. June 2008 @ 20:48 |
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Margins fixed....resize it sam and you can repost the img.
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26. June 2008 @ 20:56 |
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mrk44,
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And I had some trouble earlier with the Xigmatek push pins, took me an hour to fix it......hope it's stable enough....
For the life of me I can't understand why people have so much trouble with push-pins. If you do it right, there's nothing easier. The problem is a simple mechanical one! The only reason you fight with it is the pin that goes through the motherboard isn't all the way in the hole when you try to lock it in place. The harder you push the worse the problem gets! The other problem is that you can't push it in with the little knob. The round shoulder just above the pin that goes through the MB has to be flat against the MB, or you will never get it in! The minute you start to push against the knob moves the inside spreader pin just enough to keep the pointy pin from going in the hole. If it's flush against the MB, (that means the pin is all the way in the hole) it takes just a second to lock it into place. Use a finger or your thumb to firmly press down one corner of the spring bracket at a time so the big round part above the pin is flush with the motherboard, and it goes right in! It works everytime! I can install my FS7-Pro in under two minutes, and that's only because it's used and has been in and out about 6 times and the points of the pins have spread. Otherwise it takes less than a minute to install a new one. And that's with the MB mounted in the case! Always push down by the mount, not the pins themselves 1 corner at a time and it goes in so easily, you wouldn't believe! It's an incredibly easy thing to do!
Best Regards,
Russ
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26. June 2008 @ 21:00 |
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theonejrs: lol When I first did it, I also thought it was a piece of cake. But actually one of my push pins was broken....or at least I thought it was. The little black thing was pushed in too much. I spent an hour trying to put it in like that, only to realize that all I had to do was pull it out a little. Went right in after.
Also, (I asked this in my last post too) do I NEED the spoiler?? Is it really necessary? I didn't put it in because it seemed really pointless...
I'm not sure if all heatsinks have one, but mine does...
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26. June 2008 @ 21:56 |
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mrk44,
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Also, (I asked this in my last post too) do I NEED the spoiler?? Is it really necessary? I didn't put it in because it seemed really pointless...
I'm not sure if all heatsinks have one, but mine does...
I'm going to assume that it is angled down towards the back of the computer and maybe angled down on one side. That should be to help cool the VRMs. I can't tell from the picture since Xigmatec is too cheap to provide proper pictures that include the mount! I would suggest you put it in as the air would be directed right at the copper part on the rear of the motherboard and the outside if one side is angled down. When you re-install the Cooler try the way I said. When you've got the pin in the hole, make sure the little knob is rotated counter clockwise all the way and press down while still keeping pressure on the mount. Locks smoothly and easily, every time!
Russ
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Yeah, I'm gonna try that. Right now, I went into BIOS and CPU temp is at 72C!!! WTF?!?! Either I did something wrong, or the spoiler REALLY helps....damm....
Do you think this could have happened because I kept putting the cooler on and taking it off again while trying to install the blasted thing (with arctic 5 on it)?
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mrk44,
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Yeah, I'm gonna try that. Right now, I went into BIOS and CPU temp is at 72C!!! WTF?!?! Either I did something wrong, or the spoiler REALLY helps....damm....
Something's not right, that's for sure. Check to be sure that something isn't interfering with the contact between the CPU and cooler. Be sure that the cooler clears all the capacitors arouns the CPU socket Check to be sure that there's no plastic cap (easy to miss) over the end of the CPU cooler. What's your room temp like? There's no way that it should be anywheres near temps like that!
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26. June 2008 @ 22:19 |
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Frankly, I'm surprised it hasn't burnt out yet! I left it on for like 5 mins.
Room temps at 80F...
I took the little plastic part off already.
I applied arctic silver, and it was on there for a while, with nothing over it. It doesn't dry does it??
And what do you mean by "the cooler clears all the capacitors arouns the CPU socket??"
By the way, it's a bitch to take off the cooler, but i'll try...
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Russ, yes push pins are VERY easy... On the stock cooler and the Freezer 7 pro. I don't think you have used the Xigmatek push pins, they are VERY FREKING FRUSTRATING AHAHHSYUFUFYUDGKD GU:GRO dpdisfhipfya fhbhfgb
That's how much they frustrate me!
EDIT: MRK, That cooler is SO HARD to get on perfectly right. You HAVE to take out your motherboard and install the CPU and cooler FIRST. After that you have to be careful not to even NUDGE the cooler or it will come out.
There is a easier way. This:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.as...ntion%2bbracket
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Originally posted by abuzar1:
Russ, yes push pins are VERY easy... On the stock cooler and the Freezer 7 pro. I don't think you have used the Xigmatek push pins, they are VERY FREKING FRUSTRATING AHAHHSYUFUFYUDGKD GU:GRO dpdisfhipfya fhbhfgb
That's how much they frustrate me!
Looks like I'm not the only one who went through hell to install the damn thing....
I think I just might install the stock cooler for now. **** the Xigmatek, I'll wait until I get the retention bracket. If I had known about this sooner....thanks for the link. I think they might just send it to me through the promotion though. I talked to this guy over the phone, said he had some extras left.
I got a little blood on the heatsink fins because they cut me....had to clean them out with alcohol....
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lol
I got REALLY frustrated with the cooler, so I took it out and I replaced it with a cooler for a E2180 I had lying around. The IDLE temps dropped 20C! Then Itook apart the damn computer and I installed everything again. After that it cooled VERy well, but it was a pain.
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